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Those of us who faced criticism when we voiced our dissatisfaction with the release of Leigh Torrence instead of Shawn Springs are now justified.

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[quote=Coff;531228]Those of us who faced criticism when we voiced our dissatisfaction with the release of Leigh Torrence instead of Shawn Springs are now justified.[/quote]
Why? SS was the better of the two, Hall is as good or better than Torrence, and had Torrence been kept Haynesworth may not have been an option.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;531236]Why? SS was the better of the two, Hall is as good or better than Torrence, and had Torrence been kept Haynesworth may not have been an option.[/quote]

"As good or better than Torrence". I could not let this slide. This is one of the funniest posts that I have ever read. Torrence was a good role player. He should not be in the same sentence, paragraph or novel as Deangelo Hall.

Springs was extremely talented but he stopped selling out for this team a couple of years ago. It was obvious that he knew this day was coming last year and he refused to put his next contract at risk. He would have played that way again this year (choosing to sit out than to risk further injury) so choosing Hall over Springs was the right move. Springs would not have been on the field enough.

P.S. I am in the process of changing my name because I don't think it is appropriate. I would never disrespect 21

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;531245]"[B]As good or better than Torrence". I could not let this slide. This is one of the funniest posts that I have ever read. Torrence was a good role player. He should not be in the same sentence, paragraph or novel as Deangelo Hall.[/B]

Springs was extremely talented but he stopped selling out for this team a couple of years ago. It was obvious that he knew this day was coming last year and he refused to put his next contract at risk. He would have played that way again this year (choosing to sit out than to risk further injury) so choosing Hall over Springs was the right move. Springs would not have been on the field enough.

P.S. I am in the process of changing my name because I don't think it is appropriate. I would never disrespect 21[/quote]

yeah it's downright laughable

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He is still very good if healthy. But thats a huge if. He had to go not willing to restructure, Too much for a guy playing half a year.

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I felt a LOT more comfortable when Springs was back there. Turn the page.

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[quote=horse;531249]He is still very good if healthy. But thats a huge if. He had to go not willing to restructure, Too much for a guy playing half a year.[/quote]

Yeah and his cap space can be used on two guys with long term deals and 13 month payouts.

If those two guys are OL or DE then that would really help out.

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Could he be an option for the Patriots?

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No surprise here. Last season his inability to come back and play after the bye week due to a hammy pull was disturbing. He seemed to lack mettle. Good when healthy but not a real bulldog in the rehab department.

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Springs did a lot for the team but he's pretty old and oft injured. There was no question he was going to get cut with the paycheck he was going to command.

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I'll miss him. Great player and person. But I understand the move completly.

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[quote=SmootSmack;531267]Could he be an option for the Patriots?[/quote]

Darth Hoody does do a good job with aging players. Although I can see him in New Orleans too.

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Springs is on ESPN980 now. He's making jokes about everything and seems to be in good spirits. he said he wasnt surprised by the move. I'll update this post with anything of consequence he says:
[LIST][*]He is excited for the Redskins.[*]He spoke with Zorn, Gray, and Cerrato this morning and thanked them for the opportunity to play in his hometown.[*]Springs wants to win a superbowl. He saw former skins like Ryan Clark win superbowls and he wants the chance to be on a winning team.[*]He has 4-5 teams pursuing him right now. He was surprised so many were interested.[*]Doc thinks Springs is going to Philly. Springs says he knows one thing - he knows he's never going anywhere else again that doesnt put pressure on the QB.[*]Thinks the skins will be really good now. He says Andre Carter needs to step up and move back to RE. He thinks having Carlos, Hall, and Smoot in the secondary is really good for us.[*]Jerry Grey is a great coach because he doesnt sugar-coat things. He lays out a plan, tells players to execute, and makes them do it.[*]Doc says he can't stand it if Springs goes to Dallas. Springs tried to argue that they accepted Deon after he was in Washington so they should accept him if he goes to Dalls.[*]Springs jokingly said "ahright, i wont go to Dallas." Doc gave Springs permission to go to New York and Philly. Springs countered by saying Jason Campbell better hope he never plays against him because he knows the offense inside and out.[*]Springs ended the interview by saying he didnt want Doc and Frank to harrass him when they find out where he goes...[/LIST]
As always, Springs proved to be thoroughly entertaining. The dude seriously has a job on the radio after his playing career is up... but its not time for that just yet. I'm about 90% sure he'll be a Dallas Cowboy.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;531236]Why? SS was the better of the two, Hall is as good or better than Torrence, and had Torrence been kept Haynesworth may not have been an option.[/quote]

I'm baffled by the logic in this response. Springs wasn't cut to make room on the roster for Haynesworth so I don't know why keeping Torrence would have any impact on optaining Haynesworth whatsoever. And Hall's being better than Torrence has nothing to do with the comparison between Springs and Torrence, so that's an irrelevant point.

When the Skins signed Hall, they needed to make room so they cut Torrence. They should have instead cut Springs since they were going to cut him anyway. Had they done that they'd currently have a great role player and locker room guy who came at a cheap price and could play a decent back-up corner with a lot of upside. Coaches always talked about how smart a player he was, and he was showing constant improvement.. That's the kind of player that good teams seem to keep and devleop into something special. Instead, the Skins cut him and disregarded what looked to be a promising future just so Shawn Springs could play five more games with the Redskins.

Clearly, in retrospect, it was a poor, shortsighted move.

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[quote=SmootSmack;531267]Could he be an option for the Patriots?[/quote]

I guess anything is possible. But most of the FA guys they pick up they do want on the field, as in they do there homework. Not standing around on the sidelines for half the season crying about not being 100% healthy. As I witnessed most other players fighting and playing through real injury, Springs wouldn't even try. The I can't go if I'm not 100% is crap!

Springs was a decent Skin for his first couple of years, solid CB. The last two I have been over his inability to play the game due to reasons such as I'm not 100%. It just appeared to me he sold old or gave up on the Skins. It was clearly time for Springs to hit the road and I'm glad they got rid of him.

Certainly this should be of no surprise to anyone.

Good luck in moving forward as long as your not playing the SKINS!

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Springs is a good dude. We'll miss him. When healthy a top 10 cb. It's a move that's got to be done though.

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[quote=SmootSmack;531139]So will it be Dockery, Willis, Brown, or Stinchcomb?[/quote]

Any chance we can get two of them? (ie Dock and Willis/Stinchcomb or)

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Yes, but I'm not sure we will

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So long Springs... probably my least favorite player on defense.

Not so sure Springs is a realistic person. He was injured so much last year but thinks he can still be a top corner. I think he can be a good safety for a couple years but as a corner I'm so glad we don't have to deal w/ his risk anymore. Hope he does go do Dallas too cuz it makes it that much more likely we won't face a starter at CB when we play them...

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For 2009, we would have been better off with Rogers/Springs/Smoot than with Rogers/Hall/Smoot, but this move makes sense for the future of the team.

However, the Haynesworth move makes sense for the present state of the team. As does keeping Jason Taylor. So I guess my question is, do we actually have a big picture plan? Are we doing everything we can to win in 2009, or beyond? Or are we just acting because we discovered we had some cap space?

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[quote=SmootSmack;531139]So will it be Dockery, Willis, Brown, or Stinchcomb?[/quote]1) Brown
2) Dockery
3) Willis
4) Stinchcomb

in that order.

I can't imagine we have the money to chase two of those guys. I have to imagine that our overall cap number is somewhere in the realm of 6 million right now...the amount freed up by releasing Springs.

So considering, the effects of the rookie pool will be about half that, I sense one signing on the OL coming.

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[quote=GTripp0012;531340][B]For 2009, we would have been better off with Rogers/Springs/Smoot than with Rogers/Hall/Smoot, [/B]but this move makes sense for the future of the team.

However, the Haynesworth move makes sense for the present state of the team. As does keeping Jason Taylor. So I guess my question is, do we actually have a big picture plan? Are we doing everything we can to win in 2009, or beyond? Or are we just acting because we discovered we had some cap space?[/quote]

How? Are you saying Springs and his injuries/games missed are better than Hall? I hate to see Springs leave but it was time. He no longer can stay on the field.

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[quote=SmootSmack;531115]Guess they didn't pull off any trade. Like I said, my source on that was very weak that's why I asked if anyone else heard it.

[B]Springs got a bad rap here[/B], I'll miss him.[/quote]
how so? everyone is in agreement that Springs was our best cover corner. he just could not play enough. sometimes that happens with age :(

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Everyone was in agreement? I don't think so, I think there are a lot of people here that thought he was an overrated, heartless, selfish wimp

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[quote=SmootSmack;531356]Everyone was in agreement? I don't think so, I think there are a lot of people here that thought he was an overrated, heartless, selfish wimp[/quote]

youre probably referring to me with that comment... i didnt go quite that far, but i certainly think he was a different player after the 2007 season. we'll see how he plays for the cowboys. with any luck, Springs will get a papercut the first washington-dallas game and go on IR.

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Referring to a lot of people who thought of him as at least one of those things

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[quote=skinsfan69;531345]How? Are you saying Springs and his injuries/games missed are better than Hall? I hate to see Springs leave but it was time. He no longer can stay on the field.[/quote]Springs is just the better player of the two. But he wouldn't have been here past 2009 anyway. Plus, Hall's still developing (we can only hope...), and Springs started to show signs of decline for the first time in his career this year.

Rogers and Springs are a better tandem than Rogers and Hall. But without Hall, there's the risk that we could be talking about Rogers and Smoot, and that's kind of a disaster.

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I think we learned what Seattle was trying to tell us when we first signed him. He's a great CB when healthy. but we needed full time employees not part time every year on full time pay.

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[quote=SBXVII;531417]I think we learned what Seattle was trying to tell us when we first signed him. He's a great CB when healthy. but we needed full time employees not part time every year on full time pay.[/quote] Not coming to OTA's and staying away from Redskin Park last spring may have help him out the door. If he goes to Dallas he will fit in with that kind of team commitment!

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;531286]Springs is on ESPN980 now. He's making jokes about everything and seems to be in good spirits. he said he wasnt surprised by the move. I'll update this post with anything of consequence he says:
[LIST][*]He is excited for the Redskins.[*]He spoke with Zorn, Gray, and Cerrato this morning and thanked them for the opportunity to play in his hometown.[*]Springs wants to win a superbowl. He saw former skins like Ryan Clark win superbowls and he wants the chance to be on a winning team.[*]He has 4-5 teams pursuing him right now. He was surprised so many were interested.[*]Doc thinks Springs is going to Philly. Springs says he knows one thing - he knows he's never going anywhere else again that doesnt put pressure on the QB.[*]Thinks the skins will be really good now. He says Andre Carter needs to step up and move back to RE. He thinks having Carlos, Hall, and Smoot in the secondary is really good for us.[*]Jerry Grey is a great coach because he doesnt sugar-coat things. He lays out a plan, tells players to execute, and makes them do it.[*]Doc says he can't stand it if Springs goes to Dallas. Springs tried to argue that they accepted Deon after he was in Washington so they should accept him if he goes to Dalls.[*]Springs jokingly said "ahright, i wont go to Dallas." Doc gave Springs permission to go to New York and Philly. Springs countered by saying Jason Campbell better hope he never plays against him because he knows the offense inside and out.[*]Springs ended the interview by saying he didnt want Doc and Frank to harrass him when they find out where he goes...[/LIST]
As always, Springs proved to be thoroughly entertaining. The dude seriously has a job on the radio after his playing career is up... but its not time for that just yet. I'm about 90% sure he'll be a Dallas Cowboy.[/quote]

Glad to hear he was in good spirits. When he played, he played, that's for sure.

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Thanks for all your of your hard work Shawn!

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Went out with class. He was definitely our best CB when healthy even with Hall on the roster. Best of luck to him.

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[quote=saden1;531678]Went out with class. He was definitely our best CB when healthy even with Hall on the roster. Best of luck to him.[/quote]

Sadly he became the Redskins' version of Ken Griffey Jr., lots of talent but always hurt.

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If he was smart he would have restructured atleast once and helped the team. I often wondered if he felt he would be better off in Dallas so he would be close to home and close to his dad. I also wondered if his stubborness to not restructure was his way of hoping the Skins would outright release him so he could talk with Dallas.

Maybe it's just all in my head. lol.

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I really like Shawn Springs. I think he's a great player and he seems like he's a better person. However, it was time for him to go. He, Marcus Washington and Griffin can't stay on the field. You can't really be a starter if you can't be counted on to stay healthy.

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I am very curious to see how much money he makes with the next deal. It will probably justify him sitting out all those games to ensure the next payday.

Part of me hopes he does go to Dallas. I would love to see Santana put the double move on him.

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as much as I hate the cowboys, i guess i wouldn't mind seeing him go to dallas for two reasons- YES to santana putting the dbl move on him, and the close proximity to the man's ailing father. it'd be fitting to see it work out that way for him

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[quote=franklinhimself;531956]as much as I hate the cowboys, i guess i wouldn't mind seeing him go to dallas for two reasons- YES to santana putting the dbl move on him, [B]and the close proximity to the man's ailing[/B] [B]father.[/B] it'd be fitting to see it work out that way for him[/quote]
if im not mistaken , he passed. and welcome to the board

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[quote=dmek25;532018]if im not mistaken , he passed. and welcome to the board[/quote]

Ron Springs is still alive, but he's a coma he'll probably never come out of.

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the cowboys needed a corner before they traded henry away, and springs grew up a boys fan (And i think his dad's in texas)... so i think we know where he's going...