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Has that been confirmed, that Griffin's contract is being restructured?

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[quote=GTripp0012;529071]The fact that he's only going to pay 65% of snaps is exactly why I would not spend the big bucks on him. [/quote]

if he's only going to play 65% of the snaps, is it possible we could pay him 65% of the vet miniumum?

[quote=SFREDSKIN;529083]If FAT **** KING is so sure of this story then why are we restructuring Griffin's contract?[/quote]

were restructing his contract? when was this reported as news and not idle speculation by JLC? Also, King is not reporting this as fact. he's not claiming to be sure of anything. he's just speculating based on the fact that the two had dinner.

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I'm on the fence. but lets for fun say we did sign Haynesworth. (If we could;ie CAP) I would suspect he would not be needed on all 4 downs anyway. Most likely he would be used on the first 2 downs possibly the 3rd down to clog the middle and stop the run/ push the pocket. Cause double teams or mismatches. Which is what we want. I would figure on 4th down we would be expecting punt. So for the fun lets say we keep him in on 1st and 2nd to clog the middle. take him out on 3rd and put in a pash rushing Defense. If for any reason a team was on a 4th and 1 and decided to go for it he could come back in to clog the middle.

I really don't see any down side to his stepping in or stepping out of the field of play considering Blache changes people all the time in order to keep fresh legs on the field. Now the down sides would be injuries and age. Look at what we are paying Springs and more of you seem happy to keep him and let Rogers go. I can't figure that one out. If it can be done I would get Haynesworth to clog the middle and move Taylor to WLB and allow him to roam a little to create havoc.

I don't care what people think we all know teams would have to game plan around him. They would have to double team him freeing up other rushers and he would definitly push most pockets so the QB would not be able to step up. He would easily help our defense maybe even helping our secondary simply by applying pressure. The big question is if we are keeping Taylor can we go after and afford Haynesworth. I would bet Snyder was simply speaking with his agent about cost.

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Don't want Haynesworth at all. I think it would be a huge mistake. Welcome to the team!

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[quote=Daseal;529039]I hope this is false. Haynesworth is already said to take time off of plays and isn't exactly what you'd consider a high motor guy. He's quite talented, but how many years does he really have left. Considering the pay-day he'll command -- not worth it at all.

Ruhskins -- Could it possibly be that King is saying the truth? You're biased. I'm biased. We're Redskins fans. From listening to King on NFL radio, he speaks well and backs up all of his opinions with solid facts. He's said many good things about the Redskins and he's brought out our weaknesses. One thing I've learned from NFL radio, is every fan thinks the media picks on/hates their team. I heard Cowboys fans saying they get no respect last off-season. As fans we see our team as the center of the NFL universe, and don't like to hear negative things about our team, even if they are true.[/quote]

Daseal, I didn't say he wasn't saying the truth, he just sounded a bit demeaning in the tone of his article. Plus, given our cap situation, lack of draft picks, and many other reasons our team could not get a player like Haynesworth, I don't know if I would put it out there that the Redskins are a definite destination for Haynesworth. But you're right, I am being biased and I agree that no one wants their team being picked on by the media. And true, he has made both positive and negative statements about our team in the past and it is his opinion.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;529061]Do you want Haynesworth enough that you'd also not sign DeAngelo Hall, cut Springs, cut Griffin, not find a suitable replacement for Marcus Washington, and go into the season with Carlos Rogers (if hes not traded) and Fred Smoot as our starting cornerbacks?... because thats what it would mean. The contract Haynesworth will sign will be the equivalent of the contract for atleast 4 other QUALITY starters for our defense.

Unless the market for Haynesworth completely dematerializes and he wants to sign for us for the "vet minimum" because he loves the redskins so much, he's not worth it.[/quote]

I believe they can figure out a way to get it done, They always do. Besides would replacing Griffin with haynesworth and letting Springs and Washington go be all that bad. I think they can backload his contract and pray he'll restructure in the future.

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I think haynesworth would be a fantastic addition to our defense, but I can't see us signing him with our current cap situation. I would much rather have springs and hall than haynesworth, and although I wouldn't really mind if taylor came back next season, it looks like he's going to, which really doesn't leave us with any cap room.

If he took a big pay cut or agreed to receive most of his salary as a bonus then MAYBE, but I don't think we can objectively look at obtaining haynesworth unless he's shopped around and sees his price go down.

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[quote=horse;529098]I believe they can figure out a way to get it done, They always do. Besides would replacing Griffin with haynesworth and letting Springs and Washington go be all that bad. I think they can backload his contract and pray he'll restructure in the future.[/quote]

backload and restructure? [I]THATS[/I] your plan? That philosophy is why the skins have one of the oldest, least talented rosters in the league - while at the same time having no cap room to add young, talented, rising stars. And if you argue that our roster is really talented, then you should take off your burgundy colored glasses and start watching other teams play regularly for a change - Ths skins have several outstanding players, but overall, they arent that good.

Doing what you suggest would result in an uncuttable 32 year old Haynesworth who hasnt performed in years carrying a 25 Million cap figure in 4 years. No thanks.

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[quote=takethecake;529102]I think haynesworth would be a fantastic addition to our defense, but I can't see us signing him with our current cap situation. I would much rather have springs and hall than haynesworth, and although I wouldn't really mind if taylor came back next season, it looks like he's going to, which really doesn't leave us with any cap room.

If he took a big pay cut or agreed to receive most of his salary as a bonus then MAYBE, but I don't think we can objectively look at obtaining haynesworth unless he's shopped around and sees his price go down.[/quote]

exactly. He certainly doesnt deserve to be the highest paid defensive player in history. I wouldnt even give him top DT money. If snyder does push for haynesworth, all it will prove is that he doesnt care about this team and only wants to sell jerseys.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;529106]exactly. He certainly doesnt deserve to be the highest paid defensive player in history. I wouldnt even give him top DT money. If snyder does push for haynesworth, all it will prove is that he doesnt care about this team and only wants to sell jerseys.[/quote]

I really doubt it, I hope that Snyder has grown up that much with Gibbs to not go after the sexy free agents at the expense of the team's salary cap.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;529103]backload and restructure? [I]THATS[/I] your plan? That philosophy is why the skins have one of the oldest, least talented rosters in the league - while at the same time having no cap room to add young, talented, rising stars. And if you argue that our roster is really talented, then you should take off your burgundy colored glasses and start watching other teams play regularly for a change - Ths skins have several outstanding players, but overall, they arent that good.

Doing what you suggest would result in an uncuttable 32 year old Haynesworth who hasnt performed in years carrying a 25 Million cap figure in 4 years. No thanks.[/quote]
you and i don't agree on much, but in my opinion, your dead on with this post. i smell trouble, once he gets his money

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;529103]backload and restructure? [I]THATS[/I] your plan? That philosophy is why the skins have one of the oldest, least talented rosters in the league - while at the same time having no cap room to add young, talented, rising stars. And if you argue that our roster is really talented, then you should take off your burgundy colored glasses and start watching other teams play regularly for a change - Ths skins have several outstanding players, but overall, they arent that good.

Doing what you suggest would result in an uncuttable 32 year old Haynesworth who hasnt performed in years carrying a 25 Million cap figure in 4 years. No thanks.[/quote]

Nice post BigHair. Tell it!

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[quote=horse;529098]I believe they can figure out a way to get it done, They always do. Besides would replacing Griffin with haynesworth and letting Springs and Washington go be all that bad. I think they can backload his contract and pray he'll restructure in the future.[/quote]

Unless the market is non-existent, I don't know why Haynesworth would agree to a contract where the money is on the back end. He's going to want serious dollars up front and guaranteed (a la Asamougha).

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;529128]Unless the market is non-existent, I don't know why Haynesworth would agree to a contract where the money is on the back end. [B]He's going to want serious dollars up front and guaranteed (a la Asamougha)[/B].[/quote]

Agreed. And from what I understand Tampa Bay is going to push hard for him. They're way under the cap, so they can meet his up front needs.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;529103]backload and restructure? [I]THATS[/I] your plan? That philosophy is why the skins have one of the oldest, least talented rosters in the league - while at the same time having no cap room to add young, talented, rising stars. And if you argue that our roster is really talented, then you should take off your burgundy colored glasses and start watching other teams play regularly for a change - Ths skins have several outstanding players, but overall, they arent that good.

Doing what you suggest would result in an uncuttable 32 year old Haynesworth who hasnt performed in years carrying a 25 Million cap figure in 4 years. No thanks.[/quote]

OK, why are you still operating under the assumption there will be a salary cap? Certainly nobody can say for sure, but all signs point to there not being one. This will provide further background information.

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/27715-current-redskins-salary-cap-status-2009-a-11.html#post526728[/URL]

Further, Upshaw was completely serious and truthful when saying that the players would never go back to a salary cap if it expires. The NFL Owners can easily put together a revenue sharing package contingent upon setting a salary floor for the 32 teams. If you don't pay your players at least X, you don't get revenue sharing dollars.

The salary cap limit has gotten so high in recent years that most NFL teams maintain payrolls well below the cap in the interests of turning a profit, and for some, just trying to break even. Not many franchises are currently constrained by the cap. Doing away with it would result in a few teams dropping below the salary floor, but it would also result in the Cowboys and Redskins shooting well above the cap ceiling. There would be no financial incentive for the players to ever agree to going back to a cap, especially if the owners put a salary floor in place with respect to revenue sharing.

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schneed, if this is the case, whats stopping teams like the redskins from signing players at a modest 2009 salary, and then paying out top dollar afterwards?

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Let's just understand that if there is an uncapped year in 2010 there will be a lot more differences than simply no cap. This should help

[url=http://www.cincyjungle.com/2009/1/16/725767/q-and-a-about-the-nfl-s-up]Q and A about the NFL's upcoming uncapped season - Cincy Jungle[/url]

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DS got so much money it really will not matter. The question is; this Guy Haynesworth, will he fit in? You throw a bunch of cash at these guys and you never know... It's a crap shoot; something we all should be used to.. The danny just wants to fill the seats, and I'm sure, win. When we do win our next superbowl, other owners will be skeptical on his methods because they have become unsound.

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lordy, i dont want this guy. period. sure he is a monster on the line, but lets not forget he only been like that for what the last two years? plus lets not forget that time when he steped on gurode with his cleat. I think he brings to much baggage, sooo no thank you move on.

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Great link SS!

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I said earlier that DS has lots of cash & has been known to drop it on expensive free agents in the past (not too long ago either). From that point of view, you have to think that if HE really wants AH, he'll find a way.

Now on the other hand, DS was losing some $ on other biz ventures before the economy really tanked, the Skins are over the cap & have some old guys they've got to make decisions on, they want to re-sign Hall, and AH is probably not the guy DS would go out of his way to sign considering what it will take. Maybe if it were a wr or other high profile position he might be more tempted.

When you really look at all the factors involved, it seems to me that it would take some serious maneuvering by the team & a lot of cash. The only reason it's even conceivable is because it's snyder & the Skins. Other than that, I don't see a realistic scenario that would have us signing Haynesworth. I'm sure the cap guys could write out some scenarios, but even then, is it likely? My guess is no.

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[quote=SmootSmack;529144]Let's just understand that if there is an uncapped year in 2010 there will be a lot more differences than simply no cap. This should help

[url=http://www.cincyjungle.com/2009/1/16/725767/q-and-a-about-the-nfl-s-up]Q and A about the NFL's upcoming uncapped*season - Cincy Jungle[/url][/quote]

Ugh, football is going to turn into freaking baseball. Granted that we would be one of those teams with lots of money, so we will be able to get all the top players, but there will be no parity in the league. I can see small market teams like Buffalo, to turn into the Tampa Bay Devil Rays of football.

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[quote=MiraclesHappen07;529148]lordy, i dont want this guy. period. sure he is a monster on the line, but lets not forget he only been like that for what the last two years?[B] plus lets not forget that time when he steped on gurode with his cleat. I think he brings to much baggage,[/B] sooo no thank you move on.[/quote]


Wait a min. your going to fault a guy for stepping on a Cowboy? Apparently he fits right in with us. He hates the Cowboys as much as we do. LOL.

I find it more funny that after a player does some stupid act and pays his price people will talk about it like it happened yesterday and call it baggage. He does not have the same baggage as T.O. . T.O. acted like a 2yo all the way up to his trade and after. Then slammed his media gal for trying to spin the obvious. Then cried on tv. lol.

You put any individual over 300 pounds on the field and I challenge him to play 100 % all the time. The point is they can't. They have to push not only opponents around but their own weight also. Heck the Frigerator had to come out once and a while. They need a rest once and a while and our system/scheme is designed to allow players to trade in and out to have fresh legs.

Two things I worry about. Backloading contracts. After 2010 can Snyder pay up on all the backloaded contracts and be settled?

and his age. but he does buy us time to either look in the future for a replacement or get one now and have him help train him. I also don't want to give up too much to get him. In this situation he is a UFA so we won't have to give up a draft pick, but we will have to find a way to get him under this yrs CAP only. Pay off his bonuses next year and make him happy. Would he be willing to work with Snyder knowing we are tight on the budget this year and be willing to take a big contract next yr?

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[quote=SBXVII;529159]

You put any individual over 300 pounds on the field and I challenge him to play 100 % all the time. The point is they can't. They have to push not only opponents around but their own weight also. Heck the Frigerator had to come out once and a while. They need a rest once and a while and our system/scheme is designed to allow players to trade in and out to have fresh legs.
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There are 300lb+ offensive lineman all over the place who play all 16 games.

Here's a guy who has had issues with effort/taking plays off his entire career, then suddenly in a contract year when he knows he can cement a fortune for himself, he decides to light it up. No coincedence IMO. Not that there's anything wrong with busting your ass for a payday, I just think he'll get lazy all over again once he signs his huge contract.

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i hope they did sit and talk and negotiate!!!

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he's got real character issues too. I'm just not sure signing him for $100billion is a great idea. he'll make the team a lot better, but you're stuck with him if/when his play runs south, and i don't think he's the missing piece to a DC area superbowl victory.

I mean, with the WR/offensive line issues, and the overall age/injury problems, i'm not sure our window is right here, right now.

also, we already had the 4th best D in yards, 6th in scoring, so how much better can those guys really get? we're old and injury prone on D, but there's young depth there... our problems are on offense, and i really didn't see any signs of life out of devin fred or malcolm that makes me think we're going to have 3 1,000 yard receivers this season either.

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[quote=That Guy;529165]he's got real character issues too. I'm just not sure signing him for $100billion is a great idea. he'll make the team a lot better, but you're stuck with him if/when his play runs south, and i don't think he's the missing piece to a DC area superbowl victory.

I mean, with the WR/offensive line issues, and the overall age/injury problems, i'm not sure our window is right here, right now.

also, we already had the 4th best D in yards, 6th in scoring, so how much better can those guys really get? [b]we're old and injury prone on D, but there's young depth there...[/b] our problems are on offense, and i really didn't see any signs of life out of devin fred or malcolm that makes me think we're going to have 3 1,000 yard receivers this season either.[/quote]
Where is this supposed young depth? I agree that most of our problems lie on the offensive side of the ball but I'm not ready to write off Devin, Fred or Malcolm yet.

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[quote=Schneed10;529137]OK, why are you still operating under the assumption there will be a salary cap? Certainly nobody can say for sure, but all signs point to there not being one. This will provide further background information.

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/27715-current-redskins-salary-cap-status-2009-a-11.html#post526728[/URL]

Further, Upshaw was completely serious and truthful when saying that the players would never go back to a salary cap if it expires. The NFL Owners can easily put together a revenue sharing package contingent upon setting a salary floor for the 32 teams. If you don't pay your players at least X, you don't get revenue sharing dollars.

The salary cap limit has gotten so high in recent years that most NFL teams maintain payrolls well below the cap in the interests of turning a profit, and for some, just trying to break even. Not many franchises are currently constrained by the cap. Doing away with it would result in a few teams dropping below the salary floor, but it would also result in the Cowboys and Redskins shooting well above the cap ceiling. There would be no financial incentive for the players to ever agree to going back to a cap, especially if the owners put a salary floor in place with respect to revenue sharing.[/quote]

Is it worth taking the risk, what if the salary does reemerge? Wouldn't we be screwed then if we throw big bucks?

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[quote=Ruhskins;529153]Ugh, football is going to turn into freaking baseball. Granted that we would be one of those teams with lots of money, so we will be able to get all the top players, but there will be no parity in the league. I can see small market teams like Buffalo, [B]to turn into the Tampa Bay Devil Rays of football[/B].[/quote]

You mean a small market team who puts together a talented young core good enough to beat out the high revenue Yankees and Red Sox on their way to a World Series appearance?

The notion that baseball doesn't have parity holds no water anymore. Recent World Series participants:

- Tampa Bay 2008
- Colorado 2007
- Detroit 2006
- Florida 2003

Do the A's and Twins not manage to make the playoffs on a semi-regular basis? Do the Florida Marlins not manage to hang with the Phillies and Mets each year?

The only low revenue team you can point to is the KC Royals. They're not bad because they don't spend money, they're bad because their organization sucks balls. They can't scout, they can't coach, and they can't draft.

If football ended up looking like baseball has (minus the roids!) in the last 10 years, the league would be doing real well for itself. Baseball is showing that salary caps (or the lack thereof) don't mean the end of your league as you know it.

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[quote=Paintrain;529170]Where is this supposed young depth? I agree that most of our problems lie on the offensive side of the ball but I'm not ready to write off Devin, Fred or Malcolm yet.[/quote]

oh, i don't know... golston, montgomery, landry, horton, alexander, blades, doughty, moore, rogers...

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[quote=That Guy;529175]oh, i don't know... golston, montgomery, landry, horton, alexander, blades, doughty, moore, rogers...[/quote]

Golston, Montgomery, Landry, Horton, Rogers were all starters. Doughty wasn't offered a contract as an RFA so he's gone. That leaves Alexander, Blades and Moore. That's about as deep as a puddle in the desert.

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[quote=That Guy;529175]oh, i don't know... golston, montgomery, landry, horton, alexander, blades, doughty, moore, rogers...[/quote]

Golston, Montgomery, Alexander, and Doughty are FAs, if i'm not mistaken. Horton, Landry, and Rogers are starters so they cant be considered "young depth."

From that list, only Moore and Blades are depth players under contract for 2009. We have a horrible lack of talented young depth on our team. Its been far below the league-average for years and could be even worse in 2009, depending on who stays and who goes.

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[quote=hooskins;529172]Is it worth taking the risk, what if the salary does reemerge? Wouldn't we be screwed then if we throw big bucks?[/quote]Yes, which is why we have to be careful about acting unilaterally this offseason in terms of spending.

Understand that the speculation about the salary cap has little to do with fear of the large market teams buying up all the talent and a lot to do with the small market teams not wanting to be forced to throw their revenue back at the players when the bottom line is so tight. Having a salary cap and revenue sharing necessitates the salary floor, which means no one can be the Marlins and try to play a season on a $20 million payroll.

Which is likely what Buffalo and Cincinnati will try to do in the future.

A football team can still be very competitive on a minuscule payroll, but they have to be able to draft well, or they have no other way of sustaining winning ball.

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[quote=GTripp0012;529183]Yes, which is why we have to be careful about acting unilaterally this offseason in terms of spending.

Understand that the speculation about the salary cap has little to do with fear of the large market teams buying up all the talent and a lot to do with the small market teams not wanting to be forced to throw their revenue back at the players when the bottom line is so tight. Having a salary cap and revenue sharing necessitates the salary floor, which means no one can be the Marlins and try to play a season on a $20 million payroll.

Which is likely what Buffalo and Cincinnati will try to do in the future.

A football team can still be very competitive on a minuscule payroll, but they have to be able to draft well, or they have no other way of sustaining winning ball.[/quote]

If the Rays and Marlins can do it, so can the Bills and Bengals. Payroll is not an excuse.

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[quote=Schneed10;529173]You mean a small market team who puts together a talented young core good enough to beat out the high revenue Yankees and Red Sox on their way to a World Series appearance?

The notion that baseball doesn't have parity holds no water anymore. Recent World Series participants:

- Tampa Bay 2008
- Colorado 2007
- Detroit 2006
- Florida 2003

Do the A's and Twins not manage to make the playoffs on a semi-regular basis? Do the Florida Marlins not manage to hang with the Phillies and Mets each year?

The only low revenue team you can point to is the KC Royals. They're not bad because they don't spend money, they're bad because their organization sucks balls. They can't scout, they can't coach, and they can't draft.

If football ended up looking like baseball has (minus the roids!) in the last 10 years, the league would be doing real well for itself. Baseball is showing that salary caps (or the lack thereof) don't mean the end of your league as you know it.[/quote]

Sorry man, I don't know much about baseball and I guess my ignorance is shown by that comment. But being in the DC area with teams like the Orioles, who don't have a fighting chance in hell against the Sox and Yanks gives me this type of mentality.

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[quote=Schneed10;529185]If the Rays and Marlins can do it, so can the Bills and Bengals. Payroll is not an excuse.[/quote]Right, I'm not saying they would be excused for losing. I don't think the league would look very different without a salary cap. I'm saying that those teams have incentives to cut payroll and try to win that way than to keep extending contracts in order to meet the salary floor.

Unlike in baseball, I actually think a football team could sustain winning without increasing payroll because the draft in football is far more predictable than the one in baseball.

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[quote=GTripp0012;529183]

Which is likely what Buffalo and Cincinnati will try to do in the future.

A football team can still be very competitive on a minuscule payroll, but they have to be able to draft well, or they have no other way of sustaining winning ball.[/quote]

I apologize for going off-topic, but i'm going to do it anyway...

personally i have no problem with the bengals and bills and other small market teams having less money to spend on players. Like you mentioned, they still do have a chance to win if they are well managed. More importantly, how many people are fans of the bengals and bills? really? small market teams, by definition, have small fan bases. football is entertainment and the purpose of entertainment is to give the most people as possible enjoyment. teams like new england, new york, philly, washington, dallas, etc all have huge fan bases... why not have a system in place that allows teams with a larger number of fans have the chance to win more often? put another way, a capless leage (in theory) rewards fans of teams like the redskins because they will buy more jerseys and merchandise... so in essence, fans can have more of an impact on whether the team they root for wins or not.

small market teams like cincy, minnesota, and buffalo will be horrible. fans will stop buying merchandice. the teams will stop making money. and what will happen then? the owners will be forced to relocate to a market that has a larger fanbase (LA, Canada, Mexico, etc). That, in turn, would create new NFL fans (good for the sport) and increased revenue for those franchises, allowing them to be competitive again. (Assuming onwership wasnt stubborn) And what about the fans whose teams have moved? well, they can start rooting for another team, one that has a greater chance to win more games (thereby making the fans happier).

short-term, the lack of a salary cap would be bad for the players and fans in small market franchises. but long-term, the benefits would be great for the sport as a whole.

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[quote=Ruhskins;529187]Sorry man, I don't know much about baseball and I guess my ignorance is shown by that comment. But being in the DC area with teams like the Orioles, who don't have a fighting chance in hell against the Sox and Yanks gives me this type of mentality.[/quote]

The Orioles are just a shitty franchise. They don't successfully develop enough home-grown talent, and on the free agents they do acquire they miss big time (Miguel Tejada).

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[quote=MiraclesHappen07;529148]lordy, i dont want this guy. period. sure he is a monster on the line, but lets not forget he only been like that for what the last two years? [B]plus lets not forget that time when he steped on gurode with his cleat.[/B] I think he brings to much baggage, sooo no thank you move on.[/quote]

Funny...that's one of the reasons why I really want him. He showed his distaste for cowboys which is the way into my heart.

For the rest of it though he is just not worth the huge investment. I do want to shore up both lines though so it's hard to pass up capable lineman just because of the cost.

On a side note, it's pretty bad that I trust other NFL team's GMs and personnel guys when they give their negative assesment of Haynesworth but if the Skins camp mentions Haynesworth in a positive light I feel like they haven't done their due diligence.

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So I got curious, and looked at the World Series vs. the Superbowl in the past 20 years. I checked to see how many top-15 payroll teams in MLB have appeared in the WS vs. how many top-15 most valuable franchises in NFL appeared in the SB, for anyone interested here's what I found.

World Series from 1988 through 2008
40 teams appeared in the WS of which 30 were from the top-15 payroll

Superbowl from 1988 through 2008
42 teams played in the SB, of which 22 were from the top-15 most valuable franchises
(If you take out either the 1988 SB or 2008, to have the same number of teams in both comparisons, since there was no WS in 1994, it would be 40 teams played in SB and 20 of them were from the top-15 most valuable franchises)

So think they are pretty comparable between the two sports. I'd be curious to see what those numbers are for playoff appearances, but that's just too much work. LOL.