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The comparisons to Pacman et al are interesting, but Pacman's situation is the only one really worth taking a look at as Goodell essetentially set the bar w/his treatment of Pacman. L. Little, as GMscud said, did his crimes before the conduct policy & Goodell.

Goodell will have a tough choice to make when Vick gets out, essentially a no-win choice at that. If he suspends Vick some will say that's too harsh because he's already paid his debt in jail, etc. Plus, he will set a precedent of sorts.

If he doesn't suspend him, then the nfl might take a PR beating. That in itself might be enough for Goodell to suspend him. I think he'll probably reinstate him w/some form of probation. I also think Vick deserves another chance.

Back to the original point of the thread, if SF or anyone else signs him, realistically how long will the anti-Vick stuff go on? think about it, does PETA or any other group actually have the stamina to consistently protest, picket or whatever else they do, for an entire nfl season? I don't think they would, or if they did they'd lose effectiveness.

Do Native American groups still protest outside Skins' games over the team's name? If they do, I haven't noticed it being any big deal.

In other words, I think Vick will sign somewhere, there will be a few weeks of outcry (much of it in the preseason) then it will blow over.

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;522964]Not to minimize Vick's crime, but I generally agree with the following Chris Rock quote from election season:

"The crowd went crazy with applause when they showed a big picture of Sarah Palin next to the Moose she just killed, and Mike Vick is saying to himself, 'why am I in jail?'" -Chris Rock[/quote]

Just curious was the moose beaten and then asked to fight others for sport and then electrocuted or strangled to death by Palin?

Just askin'...

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;523056]Just curious was the moose beaten and then asked to fight others for sport and then electrocuted or strangled to death by Palin?

Just askin'...[/quote]

Dude, just drop the Chris Rock joke, the Palin-Vick comparison is not fair and not worth mentioning. Just because the same PETA people that demonized Vick would demonized Palin for her hunting, doesn't make it the same thing.

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I definitely think Vick will be back in the league and will start as a QB. He is going to be a solid player anywhere he goes the media hype that he's a terrible teammate is overshadowing the Falcons success when he was there. They were a playoff contender and a very good team with him behind center he will find work quickly when he gets out.

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Also people have done much worse then run dog fighting, its somethign that just hits a nerve with the american public this guy isn't as much of a gangster as some of the other trouble makers in the league.

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[quote=SBXVII;522890]You now what's really funny is eveyones values. Some are stead fast and do not want any one with a marred past. Good for them. They have set high values. Maybe too high maybe not. Others would hire a drug lord. lol.

Vick kills an animal and goes to jail and awaits reinstatement. Pacman has people shot ...with a gun....in order to kill....and he gets reinstated and people are fine with him playing. Whether with their team or someone elses. I think I would rather take back the man who hurt the animal over trying to take another human beings life but those are my values.

In any case if we are going to say Vick is a monster and can't change then we might as well not let any of the other prisoners go either. I mean who wants a pediphile on the streets or a murderer, or a theif, or perhaps a rapist. If we are not going to give people a second chance then we better start building more prisons in everyones back yard to house everyone.

If we as a society are not willing to make sure he gets the counceling and perhaps be a spokesman or speak about what he did wrong in order to help stop this very act from accuring again and humbling him then where do you think he's going to go right back to in order to make money again?

Now I'm the last anyone would want to call a bible thumper but for those of you who hold high morals....

[COLOR=#333333][B]To open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me”[/B] ([/COLOR][URL="http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth/acts-26.htm#18"][COLOR=#0000ff]Acts 26:18[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#333333]).[/COLOR]

and

[COLOR=#333333]Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you” ([/COLOR][URL="http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth/colossians-3.htm#13"][COLOR=#0000ff]Colossians 3:13[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#333333]).[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333]again I'm the last who should be called a bible thumper for I hardly go to church at all unless dragged by family but I do believe we as a society should be finding other ways to punish evil besides simply putting people in prison and not teaching them society norms, values and getting them counceling for their actions. I agree there is a % of the population that will not or can not be changed but to simply say "yea he may have learned a lesson but forget about giving him a chance" is obserd. If all busineses looked at Vick this way then how is he going to support himself or his family? I guess we should be saying thats his problem, he should have thought about it ahead of time? [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333]I say reinstate him. Make him give a portion of his money to animal rights organizations, and force him to do commercials to humble him. Keep him on a tight leash as they did Pacman and Vicks own actions will speak louder then words. If he volunteered his services to an animal rights organization then perhaps some would change their way of thinking about him. [/COLOR][/quote]
Vick played high school ball about 20 miles from where I live and I still don't know how I feel about him. The house he owned where he had the dogs is not far from here either and when a contractor bought the house and put it up for auction they would show the cages and houses where the dogs were kept. It was disgusting. I have never fought dogs but I have done some things that I'm not proud of and by the grace of God have changed the way I live my life. I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post SBXVII. Thank you.

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[quote=tdSKINS1;522841]I'm a die hard Hokie fan, and I've watched Michael play a lot and yes he messed up in a big way, however this man is one of the most electricfying athletes I have ever seen. He served his time, and deserves a second chance. Anyone who thinks he does not is a dumbass for thinking that. He is incredible and the Niners would definetly be upgrading with MV[/quote]


You know what bud? Vick is a great athlete, but a crappy QB. Matt Ryan actually can take the Falcons places as he can pass, something Vick wasn't too good at. If you can't pass in the NFL you are useless. THe only college option QB that ever came close to winning the SB was Donovan and I think you can almost safely say he is never going back to the big dance. Also, Donovan could thread the needle when he was at Syracuse, where Vick was in a crappy conference at the time he was at Va Tech, which also had one hell of a defense!!!

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if he is reinstated I bet he goes to the Cowboys. I just don't think JJ could resist.

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I thought that I read somewhere that PETA actually supported Vick's return to the NFL. Has anyone else seen this?

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[quote=VABCHSKINSFAN;525905]I thought that I read somewhere that PETA actually supported Vick's return to the NFL. Has anyone else seen this?[/quote]


Not necessarily, unless he passes a Psych test first.

From the Article

[quote][URL="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jrN-70kJvq3hjLaX9LTuJB0SJtNwD95RS69G0"][COLOR=#0582eb]According to the AP[/COLOR][/URL], Vick's attorneys sought assurance from PETA [that] the group would support Vick's return to the NFL[/quote]

[URL="http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/22/peta-wants-nfl-to-make-sure-michael-vick-isnt-a-psychopath-befo/"]PETA Wants to Make Sure Vick Isn't a Psychopath Before NFL Reinstates Him - NFL FanHouse[/URL]

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Its funny that people really think PETA should even have a say in his reinstatement..
Society is really screwed up, when we place more value on an animals life than a human being. This country has millions of crimes everyday, millions of criminals getting released for more serious crimes, and no one says a word, they do thier time and go back to either be productive in society or screw up again...Good luck Michael Vick, hope you get a fair shot

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[quote=firstdown;523004]I sell Insurance and have never seen that question aboout felons on any applications but I'm in Va so Nc could be different.[/quote]

I would imagine that as a painter, he and his employees are bonded to be in people's homes. His bonding would likely cost more.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;523056]Just curious was the moose beaten and then asked to fight others for sport and then electrocuted or strangled to death by Palin?

Just askin'...[/quote]

No the moose was just shot, then had his head sawed off and mounted on Sarah's wall.

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Vick did a bad thing and got caught. I'm sure other players in the NFL do worse but haven't been caught. All of us have done things that are wrong and some of us have done things worse than dog fighting. I personally think what he did takes a twisted mind. But whether or not he should be able to contribute to society again. Yes he should. He served his time.

I think the question should be at what standard do we hold the NFL. I look at it as a rare privalige to play football and be paid millions. We as a society allow these athletes to live a dream life and root for them as they live it.

I don't think Vick is a danger to his fellow man. I do not compare him to Ted Bundy or that type. But to allow him the privalige to return to the NFL, to be a role model to our young children. I don't like it.

I don't care what Vick does with his life. I don't wish anything bad to happen to him. I hold him to no standard.

But is there a standard for the NFL? Should there be?

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;525911]Its funny that people really think PETA should even have a say in his reinstatement..
Society is really screwed up, when we place more value on an animals life than a human being. This country has millions of crimes everyday, millions of criminals getting released for more serious crimes, and no one says a word, they do thier time and go back to either be productive in society or screw up again...Good luck Michael Vick, hope you get a fair shot[/quote]

I agree 100%. Once Mike pays his debt to society he should be free to earn a living. What he did was wrong but that's why he went to jail. The man did his time now let him get back to being a productive citizen. For him, at this point in his life, that's being a pro football player.

If PETA needs something to do, they can check into my neighbor. He has an extremely dirty fish tank they may want to inspect. I just hope he doesn't lose his job at the pet store!!

HAIL!!

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PETA lost all credibility when they asked Ben and Jerry's, one of the more "green" companies, to use human milk for their ice cream.

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;522964]Not to minimize Vick's crime, but I generally agree with the following Chris Rock quote from election season:

"The crowd went crazy with applause when they showed a big picture of Sarah Palin next to the Moose she just killed, and Mike Vick is saying to himself, 'why am I in jail?'" -Chris Rock[/quote]

Not exactly. Sarah Palin continues to be criticized for shooting wolves from helicopters. Difference with dog fighting - drugs, crime, etc.

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[quote=Ruhskins;522956]My only question is where was your outrage when Leonard Little killed that woman, served 90 days in jail, and was allowed to play again? Do you even know that the NFL allowed a guy who killed a human being while driving drunk to play again?

Once again, I don't justify Vick, nor do I think he's a good person whatsoever. I'm just sick and tired of people acting like this is the worst thing an NFL player has done (even though his career was ruined and went to jail for a year). Oh and in case someone starts accusing me of being insensitive, I'm a dog owner.

Please people, there are rapist, child molesters, murderers, that b/c they have money are able to get away with their crime, continue with their lives as if nothing happened. Ok, maybe Goodell should ban Vick for another year. But then again, he gave Pacman Jones a chance, so if Jones got a chance, then Vick should.[/quote]

Agree. No one loves a dog more than me, I've had them all my life, I volunteer for a local animal shelter, I was livid with Vick. But again I have to agree - he's paid his debt, it's time to move on. And if PETA truly had a brain, they'd use this crime to further expose dog fighting and put forth systems to combat it. Instead they just yell and scream which they will certainly do on the doorstep of whatever team would sign him.

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No News, Just a thread update.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-falcons-vicktrade&prov=ap&type=lgns]Falcons seeking to trade rights to Michael Vick - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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BUCS DON’T WANT VICK
Posted by Mike Florio on February 14, 2009, 11:56 a.m.

The Falcons have placed a quarterback familiar with the term “cell block” onto the trading block. And one team already has said that it’s not interested in acquiring him.

According to Roy Cummings of the Tampa Tribune, count out the Buccaneers.

“No, I don’t see that in our future,” G.M. Mark Dominik told Cummings.

Our guess is that most teams will feel the same way, especially in the unlikely event that Vick is reinstated for all or part of the 2009 season.

Vick’s return, whenever (if ever) if happens, will draw heavy criticism from the team that acquires him. And with the economic downturn making more franchises than ever fret about their ability to consistenly sell all of the tickets in the stadium, the presence of a player like Vick could be the difference between keeping the balance sheet in the black — and having home games blacked out.

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Lions don't want him either. Who does want to trade for him?

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[quote=SmootSmack;527145]Lions don't want him either. Who does want to trade for him?[/quote]

Well acording to this article/blog the UFL might want him.
[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-UFL-still-wants-Michael-Vick?urn=nfl,126343]The UFL still wants Michael Vick - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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I think it's time for a title change for the thread. Something along the lines of "Falcons Place Vick on Trading Block"

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[quote=Dirtbag359;527153]I think it's time for a title change for the thread. Something along the lines of "Falcons Place Vick on Trading Block"[/quote]

I agree Dirtbag. At this point it makes more sense. Mods?

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Uh oh -- Peter King has Vick pegged for possibly going to Dallas, Oakland, or Washington (simply based on the facts that their owners do what they want).

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/02/17/mailbag/index.html?eref=sircrc]Fred Taylor could help New England, Pittsburgh - Peter King - SI.com[/url]

Please say it isn't so.

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I think Vick has a future in Frisco mugging people on the BART.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;527461]I think Vick has a future in Frisco mugging people on the BART.[/quote]

Now THAT's funny. Seriously, if we are stupid enough to sign this guy, I am not sure what I'll do. That's a circus we'd be truly foolish to embrace.

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[quote=calia;527459]Uh oh -- Peter King has Vick pegged for possibly going to Dallas, Oakland, or Washington (simply based on the facts that their owners do what they want).

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/02/17/mailbag/index.html?eref=sircrc]Fred Taylor could help New England, Pittsburgh - Peter King - SI.com[/url]

Please say it isn't so.[/quote]

Well if he goes to Dallas you heard it here first. See post #46

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[quote=44ever;527463]Well if he goes to Dallas you heard it here first see post #46[/quote]

I hope he does. It would cause even more people to hate that team. Plus, then we only have to worry about run D with Dallas.

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The reason Vick shouldn't be in the league doesn't have to do with his jail sentence. It has everything to do with him being one of the most overrated QB's of all time. He is a decent running back lined up behind the center, but is NOT an NFL starting-caliber QB.

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I doubt anyone expects Vick to return to the NFL as purely a starting QB. He will likely have to return as an 'athlete' who can do multiple things, throw, run, catch, maybe return kicks. He's undeniably talented and despite what you think of him as a person or as a 'pure' QB he's got amazing natural ability on the field. Some franchise is going to pick him up and do quite well for themselves as a result.

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[quote=bigmarley4;527505]The reason Vick shouldn't be in the league doesn't have to do with his jail sentence. It has everything to do with him being one of the most overrated QB's of all time. He is a decent running back lined up behind the center, but is NOT an NFL starting-caliber QB.[/quote]

Sorry but his winning % shows he can play in the NFL. He is just not a traditional type NFL QB but he does seem to find ways to win.

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[quote=bigmarley4;527505]The reason Vick shouldn't be in the league doesn't have to do with his jail sentence. It has everything to do with him being one of the most overrated QB's of all time. He is a decent running back lined up behind the center, but is NOT [b]an NFL starting-caliber QB.[/b][/quote]
Please define an NFL starting caliber QB. I love this criticism whether it be for Vick or Campbell or whomever. Help us all out and spell out what that means.

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[quote=SBXVII;522890]You now what's really funny is eveyones values. Some are stead fast and do not want any one with a marred past. Good for them. They have set high values. Maybe too high maybe not. Others would hire a drug lord. lol.

Vick kills an animal and goes to jail and awaits reinstatement. Pacman has people shot ...with a gun....in order to kill....and he gets reinstated and people are fine with him playing. Whether with their team or someone elses. I think I would rather take back the man who hurt the animal over trying to take another human beings life but those are my values.

In any case if we are going to say Vick is a monster and can't change then we might as well not let any of the other prisoners go either. I mean who wants a pediphile on the streets or a murderer, or a theif, or perhaps a rapist. If we are not going to give people a second chance then we better start building more prisons in everyones back yard to house everyone.

If we as a society are not willing to make sure he gets the counceling and perhaps be a spokesman or speak about what he did wrong in order to help stop this very act from accuring again and humbling him then where do you think he's going to go right back to in order to make money again?

Now I'm the last anyone would want to call a bible thumper but for those of you who hold high morals....

[COLOR=#333333]To open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me” ([/COLOR][URL="http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth/acts-26.htm#18"][COLOR=#0000ff]Acts 26:18[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#333333]).[/COLOR]

and

[COLOR=#333333]Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you” ([/COLOR][URL="http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth/colossians-3.htm#13"][COLOR=#0000ff]Colossians 3:13[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#333333]).[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#333333]again I'm the last who should be called a bible thumper for I hardly go to church at all unless dragged by family but I do believe we as a society should be finding other ways to punish evil besides simply putting people in prison and not teaching them society norms, values and getting them counceling for their actions. I agree there is a % of the population that will not or can not be changed but to simply say "yea he may have learned a lesson but forget about giving him a chance" is obserd. If all busineses looked at Vick this way then how is he going to support himself or his family? I guess we should be saying thats his problem, he should have thought about it ahead of time? [/COLOR]

[COLOR=#333333]I say reinstate him. Make him give a portion of his money to animal rights organizations, and force him to do commercials to humble him. Keep him on a tight leash as they did Pacman and Vicks own actions will speak louder then words. If he volunteered his services to an animal rights organization then perhaps some would change their way of thinking about him. [/COLOR][/quote]

preach on brotha...the only thing is PETA changed there minds, and doesn't want him doing animal rights commercials, they want to continue to beat this man down for his albeit horrible mistake...Murderers of people get second chances why not him...people are tooo judgemental of others...Can all the people that are judging him so harshly truely say there closets are clean...I doubt it (he's served the time handed down to him) so leave him the F alone and let the man try to make a living..

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NINERS JUST SAY NO TO VICK
Posted by Mike Florio on February 17, 2009, 10:44 p.m.

If Monday night’s equivocation regarding Falcons quarterback Mike Vick was intended to be a trial balloon, all we can say is . . . . pop goes the weasel ’cause the weasel goes pop.

“The 49ers are not interested in Michael Vick,” a team spokesman told Matt Maiocco of the Santa Rosa Press-Democrat on Tuesday evening.

And so the Anti-Vick List adds a fifth team.

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Can't help but wonder if the Niners really aren't interested or if they're just covering their bases in case anyone thinks they may be tampering.

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[url=http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/sports/professional/professional_football/article/VICKGAT20_20090220-190402/211845/]49ers, Vikings could pursue Vick | Richmond Times-Dispatch[/url]

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[quote=celts32;522947]I can't see any NFL team putting up with the backlash from PETA that will surely come if they sign him. Is signing Vick really worth the picketing and constant negative attention it will cause. I think teams will decide he's not worth it.[/quote]

San Fran is a circus freak show anyways, so the Niners are probably used to "those kind of people".

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[quote=firstdown;527511]Sorry but his winning % shows he can play in the NFL. He is just not a traditional type NFL QB but he does seem to find ways to win.[/quote]

So does Trent Dilfer's.