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We're not pass protecting very well, that's the biggest problem. We have no time to wait for big plays to develop, so we throw nothing but dinks and dunks which of course defenses can adjust to. They press us and we go nowhere.

Teams have had enough film on Zorn now to study and exploit his tendencies. He needs to show he can adjust schematically, and the players need to show they can man up and handle their matchups.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;501747]Dude, Jason's deep ball is one of the things I love about him. His short to intermediate throws are okay, but his accuracy on the deep ball is fantastic.[/quote]

When's the last time he's hit a deep ball? If Moss isnt open than there is no deep ball. You are correct about his short and intermediate balls, they are ok at best.

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[quote=SouperMeister;501630]With 3 second round draft picks, we could have, and probably should have used one to address the O-line. This team has serious issues on both lines. The offensive line can't protect the QB for anything greater than a 3 step drop, and the D-line can't pressure the opposing QB without blitzing. Consider this - the Redskins haven't drafted an O or D lineman before the 3rd round since Chris Samuels in 2000. You reap what you sow...[/quote]

I hated that we drafted 3 recievers with our first 3 picks instead of addressing both lines where we had a bigger need in a more important position. But the FO fell in love with these guys who they had valued as first round picks even thou the other 31 teams had passed on them for reasons that we are now finding had merit.

Hopefully this year they will address the lines. But I predict we will draft towards the middle where there won't be a no brainer choice and end up with another offensive weapon that the FO just can't pass on.

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After sleeping on it I think it's pretty clear today that the line is the main issue. As the saying goes it all starts up front, and JC was getting killed last night and there just weren't many running lanes for the ground game. Not sure what Buges can do about it at this point.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;501747]Dude, Jason's deep ball is one of the things I love about him. His short to intermediate throws are okay, but his accuracy on the deep ball is fantastic.[/quote]

I guess this is why I'm so freakin sick of this offense. JC needs to be in shotgun a little more ( maybe on 1st down) and let's start trying to get the ball down field a little more. We've got a deep ball thrower yet all we do is throw 5 yard passes.

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i hope like hell that zorn uses the off season to get some veteran oline men and dlineman,or he gets some from the draft!washington would have killed dallas last night with a little better blocking and pass rush.

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[quote=skinsfan69;501768]I guess this is why I'm so freakin sick of this offense. JC needs to be in shotgun a little more ( maybe on 1st down) and let's start trying to get the ball down field a little more. We've got a deep ball thrower yet all we do is throw 5 yard passes.[/quote]

The big problem is our oline rarely gives him enough time for the play to develop. And the few times he does have a chance, the reciever isn't wide open so Campbell checks down to the short pass. Campbell needs to let it rip once in awhile and trust his receiver to make a play. Look at the pass Romo made to Bennet, he wasn't open but he made a great catch. A rookie on the field making a big time play. Imagine that. lol

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agreed, it is clearly the o line breaking down that is effecting most everything else on the ofensive side of the ball

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The offense has played 10 games with this new system. A lot of the problems will be solved as they grow comfortable with and learn the details of the system, and pass protection figures into that.

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Not using this as an excuse, but how did the line judge miss not one, but two Dallas neutral zone violations? On the 2nd missed call (3rd and 8 at the end of the 3rd quarter), Ware clearly jumped early and was in the neutral zone with the ball was snapped. Jason flipped a pass to Cooley for a minimal gain that set up the punt leading to the game winning Dallas drive. At minimum, the Skins should have had a 3rd and 3 opportunity to maintain possession. Again, not the reason we lost, but is there an easier call in the NFL than the line judge monitoring the neutral zone? I'm stunned that the LJ missed two such calls.

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[quote=SouperMeister;501786]Not using this as an excuse, but how did the line judge miss not one, but two Dallas neutral zone violations? On the 2nd missed call (3rd and 8 at the end of the 3rd quarter), Ware clearly jumped early and was in the neutral zone with the ball was snapped. Jason flipped a pass to Cooley for a minimal gain that set up the punt leading to the game winning Dallas drive. At minimum, the Skins should have had a 3rd and 3 opportunity to maintain possession. Again, not the reason we lost, but is there an easier call in the NFL than the line judge monitoring the neutral zone? I'm stunned that the LJ missed two such calls.[/quote]


[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=Black]I saw that too. There were also quite a few times when the cowgirls were holding and it wasn’t called either. All and all just a bad night for the burgundy and gold[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=#0F243E][FONT=&quot][/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=over the mountain;501713]i think the problems are a combination of everything, when you have problems are every level of your offense they compound each other.

seems every week coach zorn is pointing out plays where we had a long ball called then explaining for one reason or another why it never materialized. just speculation on my part but aside from pass pro problems and a lack of depth at wr, i think JC only throws the long ball if he has single coverage and he actually sees his man open. JC might be too gun shy given gibbs pounded it into his head to protect the ball and throw sideline.

the play he lofted it up to moss who almost made a play on the ball was JC throwing it up there b/c he had to given the situation.

[B]Maybe JC is being too selective when he wants to throw the long ball, only wanting to let it go when a guy is wide open?[/B]
i dont know, but we have problems now that he run game has slowed down.

go skins!![/quote]

With JC always being told to check down, I wonder if he's doing it too much. I don't buy this, never having time to go long stuff. The line is not blocking well, I DEFINITELY agree with that, but it's a lot harder to block when you wait to throw long until later in the game because you have to because you're behind and nothing else is working. If you start throwing long occasionally early in the game, the "D" does'nt start stacking the line right away which opens up the run and shorter passes. If people on this board are saying we don't throw long because we don't have time, I would imagine DC's are saying the same thing. Makes it pretty easy to gameplan us. Whether it's completed or not you have to take a shot and you have to do it earlier than we've been doing it. Our offense is pretty easy to read right now. The Redskins don't go long. It's kinda like the lottery, you can't win if you don't play. Well you can't complete a long pass if you don't THROW a long pass. Give your quarterback and receivers a chance to make a play. We're taking that away ourselves by not attempting it. And I don't mean calling it then checking down. Throw the damn ball. That's what sends the message.

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[quote=skinsfan69;501768]I guess this is why I'm so freakin sick of this offense. JC needs to be in shotgun a little more ( maybe on 1st down) and let's start trying to get the ball down field a little more. We've got a deep ball thrower yet all we do is throw 5 yard passes.[/quote]

Easier said than done. It's not just a matter of choosing to throw the ball downfield. Of course Zorn wants to throw the ball downfield if he can.

But if the line is pass protecting like shit then even if a receiver is getting deep, Campbell is going to check down to a hot or he's just going to throw it away.

And even when the line holds up, a WR has to get separation or Campbell will check it down.

You have to solidify the fundamentals before you can criticize Zorn's play calling. If the line is a seive, you can't blame him for calling 3 and 5 step drops. It all starts up front, and they didn't do their job last night. Ratliff owned Rabach and Randy Thomas. Ware did a good job on Samuels, and Jansen was continually pushed straight back into Campbell.

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[quote=Schneed10;501793]Easier said than done. It's not just a matter of choosing to throw the ball downfield. Of course Zorn wants to throw the ball downfield if he can.

But if the line is pass protecting like shit then even if a receiver is getting deep, Campbell is going to check down to a hot or he's just going to throw it away.

And even when the line holds up, a WR has to get separation or Campbell will check it down.

You have to solidify the fundamentals before you can criticize Zorn's play calling. If the line is a seive, you can't blame him for calling 3 and 5 step drops. It all starts up front, and they didn't do their job last night. Ratliff owned Rabach and Randy Thomas. Ware did a good job on Samuels, and Jansen was continually pushed straight back into Campbell.[/quote]

That's why we need to do it on 1st down. I remember once JC found ARE over the middle for 20 on first down. Also sometimes you just need to throw and try and make a play. I think the play that pissed me off the most was when Dallas' 2nd string TE made a play even though Horton had him covered. Sometimes you just have to throw it down there and either let your guy make a play or get a PI. Also maybe Zorn needs to adjust. Max protect of start rolling JC out some more. Yes the protection was bad but I didn't see us adjusting to what Dallas was doing.

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[quote=irish;501750]When's the last time he's hit a deep ball? If Moss isnt open than there is no deep ball. You are correct about his short and intermediate balls, they are ok at best.[/quote]

JC avoided pressure and hit Moss square in the hands on a beautifully thrown deep ball last night, and Moss just flat dropped it. That's not on Jason.

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Dig route, curl route, slant, flanker screen. How many times are we going to be inundated with these same dysfunctional offencive(the misspelling is intended) philosophies. IT DOES NOT WORK. When Spurrier did it, it didn't work, the same with Turner and Gibbs. The conservative game should only be played with a substantial lead and its primary function is to eat clock, slow the pace of the game, and allow limited touches for your opponent. You don't win with it as the genesis for your weekly gameplan. Now Zorn may exclaim in his press conferences that he intends to stretch the feild and take some shots, but until I see as a chess move and not out of sheer desperation, I'm not buying.

Granted the offensive line are missing blitz blocking assignments and are ripidly eroding when they fall back into pass pro, but we aren't the only team in the nfl that embodies this malignant malfunction. Take the Steelers for example. Their line breaks down all the time but Big Ben still finds a way to make plays, down feild. Campbell just looks more flustered as the season progresses, and this is the time when the great ones normally find their rhythm, and stride. I don't want hear, "Its his first season in this system, be patient he'll come around." Intangibles don't blossom out of the clear blue, they are ingrained and inherent and don't see them.

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[quote=Twilbert07;501723]Our offense, without Portis at 100 percent, and without a No. 2 receiver, is impotent. Opposing teams now know what to do: Pressure Campbell, period. JC is a good QB, but is not yet at the point where he can beat hard-hitting defenses without a solid running game.[/quote]

I love how people seem to think that Campbell is the only quarterback that has trouble playing against a good pass rush. Ask Tom Brady how easy it is to execute on offense, with constant pressure in his face.

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[quote=Southpaw;501820]I love how people seem to think that Campbell is the only quarterback that has trouble playing against a good pass rush. Ask Tom Brady how easy it is to execute on offense, with constant pressure in his face.[/quote]

I get what your saying but TB makes plays in that situation more often than not, that's why he's a HOF QB. Making plays. Sometimes your QB has to make plays. JC's made some and sometimes not. It seems like more often he doesn't lately.

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[quote=GMScud;501801]JC avoided pressure and hit Moss square in the hands on a beautifully thrown deep ball last night, and Moss just flat dropped it. That's not on Jason.[/quote]

I was wondering when was the last time they completed one, not the last time they came close to completing one. I suspect its been awhile.

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I've been thinking about this for a while, and I know im going to get killed for saying it but...... Maybe Joe Bugel needs to go, not now today, but after this season. for 4-5 years it has been said that the strength of this team is the O-line, but pass protection has been an issue since hes been here.

Look how Russ Grim built the O-line in Arizona and Pittsburg for that matter. Kurt Warner has all day to throw the ball, JC has 2 maybe 3 seconds, thats just crap. Maybe its technique, I just cant believe that this issue cant or hasnt been resolved. The SKins have paid a hefty price for this line and at this point its one of the worst in pass blocking.

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Also if the strength of the O-line is run blocking... why the hell are we rushing 18 times and throwing 34 times? The skins had the lead and should have run it down their throats, like the Cowboys did when they got the lead.

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between the 20's we are able to move the ball, but we can not get scores (capt. obvious!) I am not sure if its lack of size at the receiver position, but there has to be some plays for Devin Thomas, cooley, Fred Davis, someone has to be more of a threat in the redzone. This is getting awful. We have not played well the month and the offense is really looking horrible. Portis has been a monster, but there has to be another threat on the field. Its been a problem all year. We dont score TD's in the redzone.

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[quote=irish;501833]I was wondering when was the last time they completed one, not the last time they came close to completing one. I suspect its been awhile.[/quote]

Your point was that JC can't throw the deep ball. GMScud pointed out that JC threw a beautiful ball to Moss last night. You dismissed it as evidence that JC can throw the deep ball because Moss dropped it. Care to explain that twisted logic? If you think JC's short and intermediate game suck, and his deep ball sucks, then I suppose you think he sucks, right? Or are you just complaining about JC for complaining's sake?

Anyways, it depends on how you define "deep ball." He was throwing very nice deep balls earlier in the season. He hit Moss for a 35 yarder against the Browns, a 50 yarder against the Lions, and several big gains at the Cowboys.

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[quote=Stacks42;501852]I've been thinking about this for a while, and I know im going to get killed for saying it but...... Maybe Joe Bugel needs to go, not now today, but after this season. for 4-5 years it has been said that the strength of this team is the O-line, but pass protection has been an issue since hes been here.

Look how Russ Grim built the O-line in Arizona and Pittsburg for that matter. Kurt Warner has all day to throw the ball, JC has 2 maybe 3 seconds, thats just crap. Maybe its technique, I just cant believe that this issue cant or hasnt been resolved. The SKins have paid a hefty price for this line and at this point its one of the worst in pass blocking.[/quote]

I think our problem this year has been that our line old slow and not very good.

In the past we have had protection problems and I wonder why that is. When these guys were just a little younger they were good talents so I am not exactly sure why we have had consistent pass pro issues for years.

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[quote=BrennanBeliever;501812]Dig route, curl route, slant, flanker screen. How many times are we going to be inundated with these same dysfunctional offencive(the misspelling is intended) philosophies. IT DOES NOT WORK. When Spurrier did it, it didn't work, the same with Turner and Gibbs. The conservative game should only be played with a substantial lead and its primary function is to eat clock, slow the pace of the game, and allow limited touches for your opponent. You don't win with it as the genesis for your weekly gameplan. Now Zorn may exclaim in his press conferences that he intends to stretch the feild and take some shots, but until I see as a chess move and not out of sheer desperation, I'm not buying.

Granted the offensive line are missing blitz blocking assignments and are ripidly eroding when they fall back into pass pro, but we aren't the only team in the nfl that embodies this malignant malfunction. Take the Steelers for example. Their line breaks down all the time but Big Ben still finds a way to make plays, down feild. Campbell just looks more flustered as the season progresses, and this is the time when the great ones normally find their rhythm, and stride. I don't want hear, "Its his first season in this system, be patient he'll come around." Intangibles don't blossom out of the clear blue, they are ingrained and inherent and don't see them.[/quote]


So are saying Big Ben hasn't look flustered??? Big Ben has hold the ball way longer then JC. JC hasn't made plays under pressure??? Big Ben has had 10 TDs 11 int, and 32 sacks. JC has had 9 TDs, 3 int, and 26 sacks. Steelers pass offense is rank 18 where as the skins is ranked 20. Technically he hasn't done much better than JC this year.

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[quote=redsk1;501823]I get what your saying but TB makes plays in that situation more often than not, that's why he's a HOF QB. Making plays. Sometimes your QB has to make plays. JC's made some and sometimes not. It seems like more often he doesn't lately.[/quote]

But I think what you are forgetting is before the Super Bowl Brady had all day & night to throw of course he can make plays when his line is blocking so can JC.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;501858]Your point was that JC can't throw the deep ball. GMScud pointed out that JC threw a beautiful ball to Moss last night. You dismissed it as evidence that JC can throw the deep ball because Moss dropped it. Care to explain that twisted logic? If you think JC's short and intermediate game suck, and his deep ball sucks, then I suppose you think he sucks, right? Or are you just complaining about JC for complaining's sake?

Anyways, it depends on how you define "deep ball." He was throwing very nice deep balls earlier in the season. He hit Moss for a 35 yarder against the Browns, a 50 yarder against the Lions, and several big gains at the Cowboys.[/quote]

Throwing a deep ball and connecting on them are 2 different things. Also 1 or 2 per game doesnt mean he can do it with any consistency. If he was really accurate as you suggested earlier I'd think they go deep more often since he could hit that target.

JC needs lots of improvement in all facets of his game but having another WR besides Moss would help.

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it,s a combination of all the above....the trenches being the biggest of them all on offense and on defense.... what they were doing at the start of the season they aint doing it now and that force tempo be fast and push it downfield..right now they can,t get out of their own way at the moment it seems..

well it seems this team needs to make another dramatic stretch run to make it to the playoffs...PLAYOFFS...

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I had to wait till today to respond or else I'd fly into a furious rant. Reading the analysis so far has been helpful just to put things in order and think more than feel. So... what I really keep coming back to is the front office. Vinny supposedly is the real guy now so I guess I blame him (but you figure Danny boy and coaches have some say). What I'm getting at is sure everyone here is right about the line being a joke and our wide outs unproductive. But why do we have the players we have? Who's fucking job is it to decide that Jansen is old and fat and just plain bad, which means we [B]need to find a starting caliber RT?[/B] Who's job is it to be sure we have the right players to solidify the line throughout? Who's job is it to find legitimate wide outs? You get my point. Our front office spent it's time and money on a flashy DE who cannot play the position we fucking hired him for. By the way one of the smartest personnel guys in the biz (The Tuna) wouldn't touch Taylor so that should have been some kind of indicator. And we used our draft picks on guys who have not been able to contribute jack squat (outside of the fluke we know as Chris Horton).

My opinion: the FO gets a great big F- for '08. Didn't solidify an aging, creaky and incompetent line. Didn't bring in [B]anyone[/B] who could make an impact on offense. Bullshit.

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[quote=The Goat;501868]I had to wait till today to respond or else I'd fly into a furious rant. Reading the analysis so far has been helpful just to put things in order and think more than feel. So... what I really keep coming back to is the front office. Vinny supposedly is the real guy now so I guess I blame him (but you figure Danny boy and coaches have some say). What I'm getting at is sure everyone here is right about the line being a joke and our wide outs unproductive. But why do we have the players we have? Who's fucking job is it to decide that Jansen is old and fat and just plain bad, which means we [B]need to find a starting caliber RT?[/B] Who's job is it to be sure we have the right players to solidify the line throughout? Who's job is it to find legitimate wide outs? You get my point. Our front office spent it's time and money on a flashy DE who cannot play the position we fucking hired him for. By the way one of the smartest personnel guys in the biz (The Tuna) wouldn't touch Taylor so that should have been some kind of indicator. And we used our draft picks on guys who have not been able to contribute jack squat (outside of the fluke we know as Chris Horton).

My opinion: the FO gets a great big F- for '08. Didn't solidify an aging, creaky and incompetent line. Didn't bring in [B]anyone[/B] who could make an impact on offense. Bullshit.[/quote]

Yeah, thanks for not flying into a furious rant.

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[quote=irish;501863]Throwing a deep ball and connecting on them are 2 different things. Also 1 or 2 per game doesnt mean he can do it with any consistency. If he was really accurate as you suggested earlier I'd think they go deep more often since he could hit that target.

JC needs lots of improvement in all facets of his game but having another WR besides Moss would help.[/quote]Having better pass protection would help more. All of our receivers can get open, but it's much more difficult for Jason to deliver the ball in rhythm when he's getting knocked on his butt. I'm pleased with Campbell's game when he's not getting harrassed every play. He throws a nice long ball, and his deep sideline throws have great velocity (preventing DB's from recovering). He almost never throws into double coverage - his decision making seems solid. As a bonus, he seems to make at least one play each game with his legs to sustain a drive. It's time for the braintrust to address our weak pass protection if we hope for Jason to play consistently as an upper echelon QB.

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[quote=redsk1;501823]I get what your saying but TB makes plays in that situation more often than not, that's why he's a HOF QB. Making plays. Sometimes your QB has to make plays. JC's made some and sometimes not. It seems like more often he doesn't lately.[/quote]

If that is the case, then he would have won SB against Giants..

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The botton line is that you build your team from the bottom up... Offensive line, then defensive line...if you can run the ball, pass protect, and stop the run, you can will the SUPER BOWL.....The skins cant pass protect and they cant stop the run....Done deal
Draft defensive line, Offensive line, and linebackers, if you bulid it they(wins) will come

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[quote=redskinsgirl;501860]So are saying Big Ben hasn't look flustered??? Big Ben has hold the ball way longer then JC. JC hasn't made plays under pressure??? Big Ben has had 10 TDs 11 int, and 32 sacks. JC has had 9 TDs, 3 int, and 26 sacks. Steelers pass offense is rank 18 where as the skins is ranked 20. Technically he hasn't done much better than JC this year.[/quote]

I'm not saying that Big Ben has had a flawless season by any scope of the imagination but what I am contending is that he looks more poised in the face of heavy pressure. He looks through the rush and is still finding Holmes running out routes and and Ward over the middle for 10 to 12 yard chunks with relative accuracy. Would I rather have Ben than JC at this point in the season. Absolutely. The game isn't played in the stat column.

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Yeah, and Colt would be more poised than Campbell with the shoddy protection the OL is providing. Yeah right. I expect to him crack against a team like the Giants and perform like he did in the Sugar Bowl highlights I saw.

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[quote=BrennanBeliever;501888]I'm not saying that Big Ben has had a flawless season by any scope of the imagination but what I am contending is that he looks more poised in the face of heavy pressure. He looks through the rush and is still finding Holmes running out routes and and Ward over the middle for 10 to 12 yard chunks with relative accuracy. Would I rather have Ben than JC at this point in the season. Absolutely. The game isn't played in the stat column.[/quote]Ben is phenominal outside of the pocket, but he doesn't see the field nearly as well as he needs to inside of it. He's like the reverse Tom Brady.

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Someone mentioned shotgun...I mentioned this like a month ago....and we rarely see it.
Rollouts are rare too.

One thing about Gibbs, when the Oline needed help, he adjusted.

Zorn does not adjust....his "Rookiness" has been showing for a month.
That is why when everyone was saying he was a "5" out of 5....I still graded him a 3.
He hasn't been tested yet....now, he has been a couple games straight and he just has not kept ahead of the curve.

He better get his crap together soon or we may just be vanilla all the way out of the playoff race.

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John Madden pointed out the problem really well last night.

With all the slant patterns and no shots downfield, defenses are starting to play us close, not worrying about the deep threat. I realize that this is the WCO style, but until we prove that we have a valid deep threat in the playbook (we bviously have the personel with Moss) we will nto be successful.

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and....how the HELL do you LOSE to the Cowboys at home when it would essentially be a 3 game difference and a loss makes it a tie?

Portis played injured, so did Washington and others. Where the HELL is the fire?
Doesn't Zorn get it?
He obviously does not feel the way we do about the cowboys.
If you cant get up to drive a nail in the coffin of your hated enemies at home, you never will...I am pissed and depressed....I just dont see how this team gets their crap together unless Zorn radically changes playcalling/protection and/or some unknown offensive player breaks out...(and it aint gunna be thomas).

I AM REALLY PISSED OFF TODAY.
I need a beer.

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[quote=GTripp0012;501908]Ben is phenominal outside of the pocket, but he doesn't see the field nearly as well as he needs to inside of it. [B]He's like the reverse Tom Brady[/B].[/quote]Great analogy GTripp. Roethlisberger looked lost in the pocket when Blache threw blitzes at him almost every play. The difference with Leftwich was glaring. Byron made his reads and fired in rhythm while the blitz distracted Ben into trying to buy time with his mobility.