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Well, you can pretty much expect to hear media and at least some fans give a hell of a lot of credit to Zorn if the offense finally takes off this year. Offensively, Gibbs 2.0 could be best described as inconsistent. And the thing is offense was really what Gibbs was doing. GW ran the defense, period. If the defense continues to shine that credit goes mostly to Blache, but it will have GW's mark on it.

But it's like others have said: Gibbs carried the team through the valley of death [I]after[/I] he had brought stability and respect back to the franchise. What's that worth? Priceless IMO. Priceless.

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Coach Gibbs' greatest quality was dealing with adversity
he gave us everything he had and then some

He'll always have a place among the greatest figures in DC sports history

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[QUOTE=prinzeofmoval;438958]Well hopefully this will benefit us..look at past coachs who left and how good the team did the following year..i.e.The Cowboys,Chargers and Steelers last year..The Bucs won it the following year that Tony Dungy left.We'll be okay..[/QUOTE]

Not to nitpick, but I think there are many more historical examples of teams being bad the year after a coach left than there are the opposite.

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I believe that Gibbs had both a positive and a negative impact. The positive is more lasting ... he demanded high character people, and added many tough guys that would never throw in the towel even in the most trying circumstances (Taylor's death). However, we cannot turn a blind eye to the number of blown leads, many after going conservative. When Norv was coach, blowing close games was a recurring theme, and I remember thinking then that Gibbs almost always put a team away when he had them down. Gibbs 2.0 reminds me a lot of the last 4 years Norv was here - talented teams that often found ways to beat themselves.

All that said, you can never take away the greatness of Gibbs' first tenure. Based on that, he should be on everyone's top 10 greatest coaches list.

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[QUOTE=Stuck in TX;438682]Gibbs went out and got some great talent for our roster. Also, I feel that Gibbs did a top-notch job mentally developing each and every person on the roster. Not a single team member was left out after the death of Sean Taylor. Everyone pulled together and got through it, feeding off of the perserverance that Joe Gibbs instills in each of his players. He got their heads ready for every game and every player knew they could win every game regardless of the final score. Every team has its player who messes up and sticks out as a trouble maker... except the Redskins.

I believe, just from what I have seen, Zorn lacks the mental aspect of the game. He has the fundementals, and will bring a whole new aproach to how to play football. Not a bad thing by any means. If you add the fundementals he has, along with the perserverance, heart, and teamwork that Gibbs left behind, and finally add the player development and skill position assets that Zorn offers.... We have a great team. I do not think we can win any games in the next five years without attributing at least a little credit to Mr. Gibbs.

One more thing... Joe Gibbs is in that front office serving as an advisor to the team. He is in Dannys box, sitting next to his throne. As long as Gibbs is whispering in Danny's ear, it would not be fair to exclude Gibbs from any of the credit dished out for the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

I'm curious, just what is it you have or haven't seen that would indicate Zorn 'lacks the mental aspect for the game'?

they havent taken a snap yet.

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[QUOTE=converted seahawk;440839]I'm curious, just what is it you have or haven't seen that would indicate Zorn 'lacks the mental aspect for the game'?

they havent taken a snap yet.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the board, that's an interesting username

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I come by it honestly

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oh, and thanks for the welcome

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[QUOTE=converted seahawk;440845]I come by it honestly[/QUOTE]

Former fan? (you can PM me)

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Zorn deserves credit if he wins, but Gibbs did lay a nice foundation of tough, resilient players. I also credit Gibbs (and especially Gregg Williams) for eliminating the "star system" that had been pervasive and poisonous during the earlier years of Snyder's tenure.

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Gibbs did some bonehead things the first time around too. But they were almost always on Sunday. Just like this time. Gibbs greatest attribute is that grown men will run through a wall for him and guys that never respected any other coach (Joey T, Riggo, Wilbur Marshall, Dexter, et al) played their guts out for him. Theisman drove to his house to pledge that whatever he needed he'd do, just let me be your QB. This did lead him to think that Lloyd would flourish for him since he has so much talent, but it also made Betts not even want to test the FA waters.
Gibbs has righted the ship and has brought a level of respectability back that has been lacking since 1992. I think that was his goal. He couldn't stand that his team became a joke under Pettibon and Turner and the Spurrier debacle had to just break his heart.
Bottom line, we are better now than when he left last time, but if Zorn is Richie II, then it won't matter. Zorn is in a great position, but it's his team now. If Zorn and Danny are hoisting the Lombardi in February, you can bet that Joe will be there. And he'll give every ounce of credit to "our great owner, these great group of guys that played their guts out and the greatest group of coaches I've ever been around."

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He should get credit. They were a disaster when he got there and have a pretty good roster now with a lot in place for the future. Does Parcels get credit for Dallas? If so then Gibbs deserves credit for any winning the Redskins do until this roster turns over.

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[quote=redskinsfanatic;438961]the redskins are in better shape now than they have been in years.gibbs righted the ship and now the new captain just needs to learn how to sail.[/quote]


........but what if it's a motor boat?