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[quote=jsarno;424637]I like Randle El...he's a good guy, has a positive personality, and is a decent WR. Problem is, decent wr's are not worth the money he's getting paid. He's extremely overpaid and I doubt we will ever see him do better than what he did last year. (career high 51 catches, 728 yards...btw- career low in PR avg at 6.1)

That being said, Roy Williams is without a doubt the best of the crew left in this poll. Roy Williams is 6'4" and I don't think I need to emphasize the importance of that. Plus he's only 26!!!! Having the injury issues that he had last year, [B]he will likely come at a discounted rate[/B]. Sure he'll still be expensive, but not chad johnson expensive, and not the chad johnson head case either that I beleive to be a locker room cancer.
My ultimate scenario would be to get rid of the Randle El contract, pick up Williams, and let Mix have a shot at being our #3. I LOVE Santana, but he has shown that being a #1 is too much for him. To have him as a #2 is a perfect scenario.

I like the size and ability of Javon Walker, but not his injury issues either...but I would go for him 2nd. He's 6'3" 220lbs, and at that size, he'd be welcomed with open arms here. He has proven to be a big time WR, and the fact that he only played 8 games for Denver last year due to different ailments means his price will be low (as it was after he blew his knee out in GB back in 05).

I'm not a [I]HUGE[/I] fan of Hackett, just a mild one. He has moderate size at 6'2", but his 199lbs is far from big. He has been in the league 3 years and has been injured for all of them, what's worse is that he played only 6 games last year. I do like the fact that he's a Zorn guy, and I would not be opposed to bringing him in at the right price, but as our #1 guy, or anyone's #1 guy for that matter, I am not sure he's capable.

Chad Johnson is a GREAT WR. No doubt about it, but (if we're not talking money) his biggest downfall is the fact that he loves himself and nothing else. He doesn't love football, he loves the money that football gives him. Chad is all about chad, and I don't want that presence in the Skins locker room. I can already see him getting upset at Campbell for not throwing the ball to him enough, or overthrowing him. Oh, and he's only 6'1" 192lbs...no thanks.

Bryant Johnson...well, he's hard to gauge. He has decent height at 6'2", and good weight at 214lbs. I have never seen him take over a game, or play at a high level. Maybe this is because he's always been behind better wr's. He's never had more than 7 catches in a game, and never had more than 87 yards in a game and he's played for 5 years (77 games). I feel he'd be another ho-hum wr for us and we have plenty of those, we need a game changer.[/quote]

See the 2nd link I posted a few posts back. If that reporter is right (or if Millen is being honest publicly) then Detroit will at least ask for our #1 if not more.

I admit that packaging ARE & a pick, say 3rd round at highest, is intriguing, but I think ARE deserves to stay & maintain chemistry. He's gotten better here each year & the one thing he is is consistent. Plus, he & JC always seemed to have good chemistry.

If that article holds true, I don't see RW in b&g. Sadly, Dallas w/its two #1 picks, might be able to put together a deal. They've probably got a # of players they could trade, and RW is from Texas.

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Roy Williams is one of the best WRs I've seen in years. I don't think it matters what system he's in, he'll shine.

I have some concerns about his attitude (and his knee) but I think Javon Walker on talent alone would be a better alternative than Hackett.

It's kind of a toss up for me between Williams or Walker

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;424617]I f we sign Roy Williams, we need to ask RAndle El to restructure or we will have to cut him. If we don't we would have 3 WR with contracts over $30mil total. That can't happen.

Maybe we can trade ARE to free up space for Roy Williams and get a draft pick in the process. I think we can at least get a 4th for him, especially with a premiuim on return men now.[/quote]
ARE cannot be traded or released this off-season without incurring an $ 8.8M cap hit. Taking his salary off the books is only $ 2.7M, so we have a "dead-cap" number of $6.1M and we need to replace him. Not gonna happen.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;424641]See the 2nd link I posted a few posts back. If that reporter is right (or if Millen is being honest publicly) then Detroit will at least ask for our #1 if not more. [/quote]

Problem is, I think Millen is a bafoon. We could ask for a 1st round pick from Miami for Betts, doesn't mean we'll get it. Millen needs to save face with some of the dumb decisions he's made over the years, so I do think he'll come more discounted than Millen thinks, or he stays in Detroit. The link to a trade rumor of Reggie Brown and a 4th for Roy Williams...well that's cheap if you ask me.

[quote]I admit that packaging ARE & a pick, say 3rd round at highest, is intriguing, but I think ARE deserves to stay & maintain chemistry. He's gotten better here each year & the one thing he is is consistent. Plus, he & JC always seemed to have good chemistry.[/quote]

Well, that is a bit misleading to say since he's only been here two year...so yeah, he got better in his second season. Randle El had more receptions and yards than last year, but he had fewer TD's (3 in 06, 1 in 07) and had a career low in punt return yards and average. We brought him in and paid him like we did to sure up our PR game, and he did fine in 06, but terrible in 07.

[quote]If that article holds true, I don't see RW in b&g. Sadly, Dallas w/its two #1 picks, might be able to put together a deal. They've probably got a # of players they could trade, and RW is from Texas.[/QUOTE]

I think you're right there...we definitely need to act before Dallas does. TO, and Roy Williams would be torture for us to cover 2 times a year.

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I've also seen several mentions of ARE not being worth his contract. If you look at the overall contract number, yes he is significantly underproducing. But if you look at the guaranteed money portion, it's not so bad. His cap number doesn't get bad until 2009 & beyond.

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;424645]ARE cannot be traded or released this off-season without incurring an $ 8.8M cap hit. Taking his salary off the books in only $ 2.7M, so we have a "dead-cap" number of $6.1M and we need to replace him. Not gonna happen.[/QUOTE]

WOW...where do you find that kind of info? I didn't think it would hurt us that much to trade him, just release him.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;424635]There's been talk of Detroit looking to deal him, here are some links, valid or not:

[url=http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/Trade_offer_to_Detroit_Lions_for_Roy_Willaims_from_Eagles/128454]Trade offer to Detroit Lions for Roy Willaims from Eagles[/url]

[url=http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/02/dont_expect_roy_williams_to_be.html]Don't expect Roy Williams to be traded - Detroit Lions: News, Blogs, Photos, Audio, Schedule & Stats - MLive.com[/url][/QUOTE]

If the Eagles get RW for Reggie Brown and a 4th I will flip my lid. Snyderatto needs to quit chasing Chad Johnson and get on this.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;424642]Roy Williams is one of the best WRs I've seen in years. I don't think it matters what system he's in, he'll shine.

I have some concerns about his attitude (and his knee) but I think Javon Walker on talent alone would be a better alternative than Hackett.

It's kind of a toss up for me between Williams or Walker[/QUOTE]

We're on the same page here. I do think Williams would be a better pick than Walker, but I'd go 1/2 on those guys as well.

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[quote=jsarno;424637]I like Randle El...he's a good guy, has a positive personality, and is a decent WR. Problem is, decent wr's are not worth the money he's getting paid. He's extremely overpaid and I doubt we will ever see him do better than what he did last year. (career high 51 catches, 728 yards...btw- career low in PR avg at 6.1)

That being said, Roy Williams is without a doubt the best of the crew left in this poll. Roy Williams is 6'4" and I don't think I need to emphasize the importance of that. Plus he's only 26!!!! Having the injury issues that he had last year, he will likely come at a discounted rate. Sure he'll still be expensive, but not chad johnson expensive, and not the chad johnson head case either that I beleive to be a locker room cancer.
My ultimate scenario would be to get rid of the Randle El contract, pick up Williams, and let Mix have a shot at being our #3. I LOVE Santana, but he has shown that being a #1 is too much for him. To have him as a #2 is a perfect scenario.

I like the size and ability of Javon Walker, but not his injury issues either...but I would go for him 2nd. He's 6'3" 220lbs, and at that size, he'd be welcomed with open arms here. He has proven to be a big time WR, and the fact that he only played 8 games for Denver last year due to different ailments means his price will be low (as it was after he blew his knee out in GB back in 05).

I'm not a [I]HUGE[/I] fan of Hackett, just a mild one. He has moderate size at 6'2", but his 199lbs is far from big. He has been in the league 3 years and has been injured for all of them, what's worse is that he played only 6 games last year. I do like the fact that he's a Zorn guy, and I would not be opposed to bringing him in at the right price, but as our #1 guy, or anyone's #1 guy for that matter, I am not sure he's capable.

Chad Johnson is a GREAT WR. No doubt about it, but (if we're not talking money) his biggest downfall is the fact that he loves himself and nothing else. He doesn't love football, he loves the money that football gives him. Chad is all about chad, and I don't want that presence in the Skins locker room. I can already see him getting upset at Campbell for not throwing the ball to him enough, or overthrowing him. Oh, and he's only 6'1" 192lbs...no thanks.

Bryant Johnson...well, he's hard to gauge. He has decent height at 6'2", and good weight at 214lbs. I have never seen him take over a game, or play at a high level. Maybe this is because he's always been behind better wr's. He's never had more than 7 catches in a game, and never had more than 87 yards in a game and he's played for 5 years (77 games). I feel he'd be another ho-hum wr for us and we have plenty of those, we need a game changer.[/quote]

I like a lot of what you said here, but theres on thing i have a big disagreement with. most of your points relate to teh height and size of the receiver, which i agree we need a big guy, but you say no thanks to CJ cause its only 6'1' and 192. But Cinco Ocho is by far the most productive receiver in that list, he has issues (money, attitude) but Ive neve rheard anyone say they didnt want him cause hes too small. 6'1" is even pretty big for the skins...

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Why does everyone want to trade or cut ARE? Yes he's overpaid but we can't get in a time machine and reverse that decision. The cap dollars are what they are whether we cut him and take it all now or keep him and spread it out. We may as well keep him...this is not a Brandon Lloyd situation...ARE is a contributing player here.

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Oh yeah, Bernard Berrian and Ernest Wilford...forgot to mention these guys in my other posts.
Wilford is a big guy, 6'4" 218lbs (I think he's more, but he's listed at 218). I love his size, but he is nothing special...what's the point of bringing in a guy that large, when we already have one? Anthony Mix would be at worst, the same kind of player as Wilford, so to me this is a waste of money when Mix is sitting on our bench.

Berrian is 6'1", 190lbs. The hieght is average at best, and the wieght makes him a small WR. He's cut out of the same kind of mold as Moss and ARE...so why go for 3? Berrian is the perfect #2 WR behind a BIG WR. But put him with other small WR's, and he'll be useless.

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[quote=jsarno;424649]WOW...where do you find that kind of info? I didn't think it would hurt us that much to trade him, just release him.[/quote]
All the cap info is in the drop-down under Team at the top of the site. Any guaranteed money needs to count against the cap for either a trade or release. Otherwise you could have teams playing major games in trades to circumvent the salary cap.

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES;424652]I like a lot of what you said here, but theres on thing i have a big disagreement with. most of your points relate to teh height and size of the receiver, which i agree we need a big guy, but you say no thanks to CJ cause its only 6'1' and 192. But Cinco Ocho is by far the most productive receiver in that list, he has issues (money, attitude) but Ive neve rheard anyone say they didnt want him cause hes too small. 6'1" is even pretty big for the skins...[/QUOTE]

The no thanks comment was for all of it, not just his size.
That being said, I do not think we need another average size WR, we already have 2 below average wr's. We need a BIG guy, and Chad is not that guy. My #1 reason for not wanting him is his attitude. #2 money. #3 attitude. #4 size. (You could substitute #4 with attitude and slide size to #5...size is the least of my worries with him)

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[QUOTE=celts32;424653]Why does everyone want to trade or cut ARE? Yes he's overpaid but we can't get in a time machine and reverse that decision. The cap dollars are what they are whether we cut him and take it all now or keep him and spread it out. We may as well keep him...this is not a Brandon Lloyd situation...ARE is a contributing player here.[/QUOTE]

#1- Because he's extremely overpaid.
#2- because most of us aren't paying attention to cap implications at this point. I was not aware of his cap hit if traded until someone slingin sammy mentioned it.
#3- Are was a contributing factor due to lack of options. He had one game where he took over, other than that, he's been a complement player.

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They are currently on our roster, Espy and Anthony Mix. I would give this 2 guys a chance to compete, plus they are inexpensive. I seriously think that both can crack the roster and be very productive.

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[quote=celts32;424653][B]Why does everyone want to trade or cut ARE?[/B] Yes he's overpaid but we can't get in a time machine and reverse that decision. The cap dollars are what they are whether we cut him and take it all now or keep him and spread it out. We may as well keep him...this is not a Brandon Lloyd situation...ARE is a contributing player here.[/quote]

Because they don't understand the concept of cap hits.

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[quote=jsarno;424649]WOW...where do you find that kind of info? I didn't think it would hurt us that much to trade him, just release him.[/quote]

Releasing him would result in a cap hit as well.

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;424656]All the cap info is in the drop-down under Team at the top of the site. Any guaranteed money needs to count against the cap for either a trade or release. Otherwise you could have teams playing major games in trades to circumvent the salary cap.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't know it was there.
How did you come up with that figure on ARE then? Did you add this year's cap hit with next?
Also, how did you know what his cap hit would be if we straight cut him?

What would Lloyd's hit be if we cut / trade him?

(not understanding how you're getting those figures.)

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[quote=jsarno;424658]The no thanks comment was for all of it, not just his size.
That being said, I do not think we need another average size WR, we already have 2 below average wr's. We need a BIG guy, and Chad is not that guy. My #1 reason for not wanting him is his attitude. #2 money. #3 attitude. #4 size. (You could substitute #4 with attitude and slide size to #5...size is the least of my worries with him)[/quote]


yea I hear what you are saying, theres more to chad that his size, but I dont think 6-3 is more important that 6-2 alone, an inch is easy to make up with jumping (vertical), and do they attack the ball, let the ball come to them, etc. Larry Fitz is my favorite receiver because he catches anythign adn fights for teh ball and twist and bends in weird ways to make the catch. Chad Johnson bring a lot to the table too when it comes to being a receiver, he makes some great catches. if a guy drops the ball who cares how tall he is ya know, or if he cant get to it. Lots of the big guys are slow.

but you said no thanks becuase of the receiver stuff, and teh money, attitude, etc. so the whoel package isnt what you are looking for.

since im a hurricane, so i like players with an attitude and swagger, i think being cocky makes them play harder. only because I watched guys like kellen winslow and shockey, who are clearly asses on the field and off, dominiate people with their play. theres lots of examples of classy guys succeeding too, i just didtn get to see that at the U, lol

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;424665]Releasing him would result in a cap hit as well.[/QUOTE]

That part I understand...I just didn't know that trading players left such a huge cap hit to us.
I do not make an effort at understanding the cap, I have just a very simplistic underdstanding of it. I need to learn more about now.

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[quote=jsarno;424666]Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't know it was there.
How did you come up with that figure on ARE then? Did you add this year's cap hit with next?
Also, how did you know what his cap hit would be if we straight cut him?

What would Lloyd's hit be if we cut / trade him?

([B]not understanding how you're getting those figures[/B].)[/quote]

Look under the release fees tab, it will tell you how much a players' cap hit would be if released or traded

[URL]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm[/URL]

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ROY WILLIAMS. Big, strong, fast and young. He'd come right in here and be our #1 wr and he'd make our offense sooooooo much better. Could you imagine Roy W. paired with Santana, ARE and Cooley? With Portis in the backfield?? OK. I'll stop dreaming now.

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did you guys look at that link about the eagles trade offer, its funny to read all the comments eagles fan wrote about how fair the trade is, or how they shouldnt give up a4th round pick for williams. one guy called a 4th round pick (an early great pick)...crazy...we all get in our own little bubble about our teams. atleast we as redskins fans have come to learn that draft picks in the 4th are worthless, lol.

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES;424667]yea I hear what you are saying, theres more to chad that his size, but I dont think 6-3 is more important that 6-2 alone, an inch is easy to make up with jumping (vertical), and do they attack the ball, let the ball come to them, etc. Larry Fitz is my favorite receiver because he catches anythign adn fights for teh ball and twist and bends in weird ways to make the catch. Chad Johnson bring a lot to the table too when it comes to being a receiver, he makes some great catches. if a guy drops the ball who cares how tall he is ya know, or if he cant get to it. Lots of the big guys are slow.

but you said no thanks becuase of the receiver stuff, and teh money, attitude, etc. so the whoel package isnt what you are looking for.

since im a hurricane, so i like players with an attitude and swagger, i think being cocky makes them play harder. only because I watched guys like kellen winslow and shockey, who are clearly asses on the field and off, dominiate people with their play. theres lots of examples of classy guys succeeding too, i just didtn get to see that at the U, lol[/QUOTE]

I understand what you're saying, and fact is, Chad Johnson is a top 5 WR in this league...maybe higher. But I'd prefer a guy like Roy Williams who is 3 inches taller and a little more athletic IMO. I don't know the vertical's for each, but I doubt Williams would be outjumped.
Let it be known, that if we do get Chad Johnson, I will jump on board, and I will likely get his jersey, but I'd be very leery of his attitude. I said I wanted a game changer, and Chad is that.
I do feel Chad will be more expensive than Williams too.

ps- I'd take Larry Fitzgerald over Johnson as well.

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[quote=jsarno;424666]Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't know it was there.
How did you come up with that figure on ARE then? Did you add this year's cap hit with next?
Also, how did you know what his cap hit would be if we straight cut him?

What would Lloyd's hit be if we cut / trade him?

(not understanding how you're getting those figures.)[/quote]
At the bottom of the link you will see "Release Fees". Click on that tab and you will see the player's salary and release fee. If a player is released or traded the cap for that year will be hit with the "Release Fee", but the player's salary is then off the cap. So for ARE you wind up with $ 6.1M in dead-cap. Sometimes you have the June 1 cuts which I believe are allowed to be spread over two cap seasons, but the total Release Fee amount must be accounted for.

Lloyd's release fee is $ 7.1M, his salary is $ 4.2M, dead cap will be $ 2.9M, much more manageable, especially when he was completely non-productive.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;424670]Look under the release fees tab, it will tell you how much a players' cap hit would be if released or traded

[URL]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm[/URL][/QUOTE]

That's where I went to look at the cap numbers (after slingin sammy told me to go there)...it appears that ARE's cap hit would be only 2.7 mil. Is that correct? Like I said, I feel like I am missing something cause I am not a capologist. I'm trying to learn more about this.

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[quote=jsarno;424678]That's where I went to look at the cap numbers (after slingin sammy told me to go there)...it appears that ARE's cap hit would be only 2.7 mil. Is that correct? Like I said, I feel like I am missing something cause I am not a capologist. I'm trying to learn more about this.[/quote]

Nope, take his release fee of $8.82M - 2008 salary of $2.724M = $6.158M cap hit.

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Chad Johnson:

His price tag naturally would be a concern, but his production is undenyable. The kind of player that has the ability to make others around him better. The question becomes, are you willing to put up with the excess antics in exchange for the production he'd bring.

Chad Johnson
Santana Moss
Antwan Randle El
Chris Cooley

These four would present nightmares for any defensive coordinator. My second choice would be DJ Hackett, with Roy Williams a close 3rd.

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1) Larry Fitz
2) Roy Williams
3) Chad Johnson
4) Dj Hackett

I would be thrilled to get either one of these receivers, they are all game changers

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[QUOTE=jsarno;424660]#1- Because he's extremely overpaid.
#2- because most of us aren't paying attention to cap implications at this point. I was not aware of his cap hit if traded until someone slingin sammy mentioned it.
#3- Are was a contributing factor due to lack of options. He had one game where he took over, other than that, he's been a complement player.[/QUOTE]

Well I think were all in agreement that he's overpaid and if we could go back we wouldn't sign him again. He's not a bum though...he does contribute and if cutting or trading him is going to hit our cap anyway then we may as well keep him and let him return punts and be the #3 WR. It's almost like you want him cut to make a point that he's overpaid and his signing was a mistake.

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[QUOTE=DiehardSkin88;424688]1) Larry Fitz
2) Roy Williams
3) Chad Johnson
4) Dj Hackett

I would be thrilled to get either one of these receivers, they are all game changers[/QUOTE]

When did Hackett get in this company? If the Redskins see Hackett as being anywhere near the level of CJ or Fitz then we are about to hand over one of the all time worst free agent contracts in NFL history...

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I picked hackett because of his connections with Zorn, but I wish there was an option of none. I really don't think we need a receiver just because Moss dropped a couple of ball in mainly just one game(GB). I think ARE, McCardell, Caldwell and Trash are fine. WCO isn't really really huge on receivers just more the QB right?

Why not spend our money on a LB, S or CB? Please someone tell me why we should waste big bucks on a receiver beside the reason "he is big and psychical"..cough..Michael Westbrook..cough cough anyone?

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[quote=celts32;424696]When did Hackett get in this company? If the Redskins see Hackett as being anywhere near the level of CJ or Fitz then we are about to hand over one of the all time worst free agent contracts in NFL history...[/quote]

perhaps worst than the lloyd signing?

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i'd give up our 2nd round and brandon lloyd for williams

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LOL who is going to want to trade for Brandon Lloyd??

:doh:

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they only want a 2nd rd pick for williams i heard... so throwing in lloyds just consilation... cuz i sure dont want him here

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[quote=hooskins;424701]I picked hackett because of his connections with Zorn, but I wish there was an option of none. [B]I really don't think we need a receiver just because Moss dropped a couple of ball in mainly just one game(GB)[/B]. I think ARE, McCardell, Caldwell and Trash are fine. WCO isn't really really huge on receivers just more the QB right?

Why not spend our money on a LB, S or CB? Please someone tell me why we should waste big bucks on a receiver beside the reason "he is big and psychical"..cough..Michael Westbrook..cough cough anyone?[/quote]

One game?

WR is a need because guys like McCardell, Caldwell and Thrash are probably on the way out. So at the very least we need some depth.

Outside of 2005 Moss has been disappointing and not a #1 caliber WR.

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^ that is true.

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;424675]At the bottom of the link you will see "Release Fees". Click on that tab and you will see the player's salary and release fee. If a player is released or traded the cap for that year will be hit with the "Release Fee", but the player's salary is then off the cap. So for ARE you wind up with $ 6.1M in dead-cap. Sometimes you have the June 1 cuts which I believe are allowed to be spread over two cap seasons, but the total Release Fee amount must be accounted for.

Lloyd's release fee is $ 7.1M, his salary is $ 4.2M, dead cap will be $ 2.9M, much more manageable, especially when he was completely non-productive.[/QUOTE]

OK, thanks...I think I get it now. I didn't even see those tabs the first time, I appreciate you pointing it out. I do have a couple questions:

I if they get traded does the same release fee apply???

I am also curious as to how it works for those with a smaller release fee than salary...does that mean we get that many back towards the cap?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;424709]LOL who is going to want to trade for Brandon Lloyd??

:doh:[/QUOTE]

No kidding.
It's like I said before the season started, last year was Lloyds last chance to become someone in the NFL, if he didn't, he would never be anyone special. I was right about it, however, I was wrong in thinking he would do well for us last year. It's a shame to have that much talent wasted. Damn shame.