Re: Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)
 

Spagnola = Ultra Conservative Offense and great Defense
Mooch + Blache = Balanced Offense and great Defense

Re: Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)
 

[quote=NYCSkin;416932]SI.com's Don Banks seems to imply that Spag's might be the frontrunner now...

[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/02/03/superbowl.snaps/index.html?eref=T1"]SI.com - Writers - Don Banks: Super Bowl XLII Snap Judgments - Sunday February 3, 2008 11:37PM[/URL][/quote]

my favorite quote.
[I]
• I'm glad [B]Art Monk[/B] made the Hall of Fame. If only because it now puts the cottage industry known as the Art-Monk-deserves-to-be-in-the-Hall-of-Fame Washington lobbyist group out of business.[/I]

Re: Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)
 

I think the irony of this situation is that people don't realize is that Coughlin is an Offensive Coach. And while that itself doesn't prove that an offensive or defenisve HC is the best decision. It does endorse that balance or unstopable god-like ability on one of side of the ball is necessary to win a championship. And just so you know, the second one is extremely rare, with the last team displaying that quality being the Baltimore Ravens.

With that said I believe that hiring Spags would shift the balance to the defensive side of the ball, especially pairing him with Blache, who by the way was promised complete auntomony over the defense. While a guy like Mooch or Fassel along with Zorn would help bring balance to the Skins IMO.

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[quote=GTripp0012;416846]Yeah, well lets not get our panties in a bunch.

If he signs here, he no longer has Pierce.[/quote]

say what? fletcher is just as good as pierce. What he won't have is strahan/osi/tuck, which is why they won that game.

Re: Welcome Home Spags!!!
 

the three hardest guys to find are franchise QB, franchise DE, and superstud WR.

while eli and plax aren't exactly brady and moss, they've nailed the pass rushing thing three times over, and it's REALLY working for them right now.

I don't think one game should make him our coach when the current staff is already in place for a WCO offensive type. spags wouldn't be terrible for a new guy, but i'd still prefer mooch (previous HCs tend to fare much better in this league).

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[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;416808]I think I want Spag[/QUOTE]

His unit played hard and shut down the patriots. All this shows is that he has a genuinely articulate football mind. I don't doubt that he would be a great coach for us, and after watching the game, I feel more comfortable in seeing hime bring that mentality to DC

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Don't know about the Spags logic here...He just won a SB as the DC but I don't know that he can handle a HC job. Plus we already have continuity on Defense with Blache...WHy do we want another defensive guy coming in and messing with things? Why not get an offensive guy, who will work with Zorn (who is himself inexperienced)? Mooch is starting to shakeout as my favorite candidate...Besides, he is worth it for his "Mic'd up" segments on the sideline when he is yelling at refs and shouting to players, jk. But seriously the guy deserves his own show for those sound bites.

Re: Welcome Home Spags!!!
 

After watching the G-Men defense come together this year... shut down the Cowboys and Pack on the road... make the Patriots offense look weak. My pick is officially Spags.

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[quote=Texanskin;417010]If we draft a freaking monster DE then maybe we can duplicate the giants success no matter who is coaching[/quote]

Absolutely, but to do so we need defensive coaches who would put pressure on the FO to actually draft a monster DE. For years, the Skins have been in love with drafting secondary and LB's, completely forgoing d-line.

Re: Welcome Home Spags!!!
 

I'll give you guys the Giants line is much better then ours, but....don’t you feel that our LB's, and secondary are better. What I'm getting at with Spag’s is that he will have better talent in two other departments + we are just stupid if we don’t draft D-End with our first pick this year. I could go Moch or Spags at this point, but it’s hard to decide as we have absolutly 0 insights into who wanted the coordinators that we have already hired.

Re: Welcome Home Spags!!!
 

LOL Spags is the flavor of the day. :doh:

I think he did a great job with the Giants D but I'm not so sure I'd want to crown him just yet.

I think Fassel will be the guy.

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I am not ready to crown Spags as HC...like most here agree he did a great job in the Super Bowl but what we all saw was a good old fashion domination by the D-Line! Plain and simply the DE's got to Brady...and when that happens your holes in the secondary are covered up...Lets take note for the draft!

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I heard on ESPN Radio this morning that Spags is scheduled to meet with Dan Snyder about the head coaching position in Washington.

Who better to coach in the most talented and dominate division in the NFC, than a coach with several years experience (Philly and NYG) coaching against that division?

Spags is an excellent candidate.

Re: Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)
 

Im down with Spags or Mooch, and wouldn't be completely disappointed with Fassel. But you can't give a cool nickname to him. . . sooo

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While I agree that 1 year as a DC doesn't make a coach, from all reports the guy is pretty impressive. He spent 7 years (i believe, w/out looking it up) working as a position coach under Jim Johnson (Eagles). So, it's not as if he's a newbie. So i wouldn't be that upset.

Now, why would we bring him in when we already have a DC in Blache? Maybe Spags has a problem w/ it and Danny Boy would just let Blache have a DC title for kicks-like last year. I just don't know anymore.

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[quote=redsk1;417123]While I agree that 1 year as a DC doesn't make a coach, from all reports the guy is pretty impressive. He spent 7 years (i believe, w/out looking it up) working as a position coach under Jim Johnson (Eagles). So, it's not as if he's a newbie. So i wouldn't be that upset.

Now, [B]why would we bring him in when we already have a DC in Blache[/B]? Maybe Spags has a problem w/ it and Danny Boy would just let Blache have a DC title for kicks-like last year. I just don't know anymore.[/quote]

That part doesn't make much sense to me either. You would think that Spags would be heavily involved with the D if he came here, and with Blache I'm not sure he would be very happy to have a hands on HC. Unless their defensive philosophies are similar... which I really don't know.

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[QUOTE=Coff;417065]Absolutely, but to do so we need defensive coaches who would put pressure on the FO to actually draft a monster DE. For years, the Skins have been in love with drafting secondary and LB's, completely forgoing d-line.[/QUOTE]

Yep. Last D-lineman picked in the first three rounds of the draft by Washington?

Kenard Lang - 1997. The Redskins have never been a team that has put much of an emphasis on drafting high for D-linemen.

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[quote=wolfeskins;416834]that's what i'm saying. screw spags, i want to trade the skins front 4 for the giants front 4.[/quote]

I find it funny how everyone thinks Spagnuolo has some magic defensive plan or something. What he has is 3 guys that can simply get after the passer. Actually 4 but Mathias K. is hurt. IMO the GM should be getting the credit. Where did Justin Tuck come from?? NE's O-line just got beat down all night long. Man on man. Plus some nobody came off the bench and got a sack at the end of the game. Nothing fancy about it. But everyone on here is going to think this guy is something special. Let's see how good his defense is when Daniels is rushing the passer. It always comes down to personel people. We're set with the defensive coaches.

Re: Welcome Home Spags!!!
 

[QUOTE=EEich;417064]After watching the G-Men defense come together this year... shut down the Cowboys and Pack on the road... make the Patriots offense look weak. My pick is officially Spags.[/QUOTE]


You do realize that Spags would no longer have the luxury of having ends like Strahan, Umenyora, Tuck and Kiwanuka, right?

How do you think he will fare with the likes of Philip Daniels, Andre Carter, Demetric Evans and Chris Wilson?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;417125]That part doesn't make much sense to me either. You would think that Spags would be heavily involved with the D if he came here, and with Blache I'm not sure he would be very happy to have a hands on HC. Unless their defensive philosophies are similar... which I really don't know.[/QUOTE]

Unless Lil' Danny doesn't care who the new coach wants as a D-coordinator.

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[quote=Beemnseven;417141]Unless Lil' Danny doesn't care who the new coach wants as a D-coordinator.[/quote]

Well it really wouldn't matter what Snyder wants, the decision would have to come from Spagnuolo as to whether he would be comfortable with that setup or not. Or maybe he's already approved the setup. Who knows?

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Well it has become clear to me that with the groundwork that Coach Gibbs had laid down for the Skins, we need a young coach who will stay in town for a while and continue to build upon what Gibbs started. I fully support Spags for H.C or a young coach that many of you have never heard of out of Alexandria VA, named Greg Novis.

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Snyder always wants the flavor of the month. I think the Super Bowl outcome is going to incite Snyder to seriously consider Spagnuolo as HC.

After watching what they did I don't know if I mind so much. Granted much of their pressure on defense is attributed to their personel.

Spag's got to be better pick than Fassel.

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[QUOTE=Skinny Tee;417212]Snyder always wants the flavor of the month. I think the Super Bowl outcome is going to incite Snyder to seriously consider Spagnuolo as HC.

After watching what they did I don't know if I mind so much. Granted much of their pressure on defense is attributed to their personel.

Spag's got to be better pick than Fassel.[/QUOTE]

I don't see how Spags is the better option than Fassel for this team.

1. Fassel has experience not only as a head coach but as a head coach in NYC (well technically East Rutherford, but still), and he was successful

2. Fassel has experience developing young QBs, and he was successful

3. While Blache can help Spagnuolo out if he's hired, who will help Zorn out?

Re: Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)
 

Anyone is a better pick than Fassel to some people. The Fassel hate doesn't make a ton of sense but it is what it is.

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It's looking now like Spags or Fassel. Mariucci interview must have not gone well on Wednesday of last week????

Hope that whoever it is we can leverage our Great Roster, Strong Coaches, Great Hall of Fame Class, and move forward into the future with Campbell and CO. stepping up big.

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[quote=Mattyk72;417227]Anyone is a better pick than Fassel to some people. The Fassel hate doesn't make a ton of sense but it is what it is.[/quote]


A lot of it is thinking with the heart and not with the mind, which isn't altogether that bad (especially since we are completely unable to affect the outcome). I support Spags over the other guys precisely [I]because [/I]he has no experience. I want a new guy who is unproven, from whom we don't know what to expect. It's more exciting because the possibility remains, however remote, that he may become one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Is this logical? Not really, but isn't it more fun to root for a draft pick than a veteran free agent signee? I think hiring a coach like Spags (or Meeks) is the equivalent to drafting a player, while hiring Mooch or Fassell is like getting a veteran free agent. I don't want someone else's sloppy seconds, and I doubt I'm the only one out there who feels this way. That explains a lot of the Fassel hate; it's not that we feel he's a bad coach (well, many people do I guess), but that we know two things about him: 1) He does not have the potential to be one of the greatest ever, and 2) He was fired by the Giants. Why would we want that guy when we can have Steve Spagnuolo, a guy whose potential is, for all we currently know, limitless?

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[QUOTE=Coff;417239]A lot of it is thinking with the heart and not with the mind, which isn't altogether that bad (especially since we are completely unable to affect the outcome). I support Spags over the other guys precisely [I]because [/I]he has no experience. I want a new guy who is unproven, from whom we don't know what to expect. It's more exciting because the possibility remains, however remote, that he may become one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Is this logical? Not really, but isn't it more fun to root for a draft pick than a veteran free agent signee? I think hiring a coach like Spags (or Meeks) is the equivalent to drafting a player, while hiring Mooch or Fassell is like getting a veteran free agent. I don't want someone else's sloppy seconds, and I doubt I'm the only one out there who feels this way. That explains a lot of the Fassel hate; it's not that we feel he's a bad coach (well, many people do I guess), but that we know two things about him: 1) He does not have the potential to be one of the greatest ever, and 2) He was fired by the Giants. Why would we want that guy when we can have Steve Spagnuolo, a guy whose potential is, for all we currently know, limitless?[/QUOTE]

Meeks was a Redskin and Snyder made special mention to him at SuperBowl, he could be the sleeper pick. Tony Dungy does not run a loose ship and we know we'll get the work ethic with Meeks. Fassel may be too much of a circus show around here.......

Re: Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)
 

[quote=Coff;417239]A lot of it is thinking with the heart and not with the mind, which isn't altogether that bad (especially since we are completely unable to affect the outcome). I support Spags over the other guys precisely [I]because [/I]he has no experience. I want a new guy who is unproven, from whom we don't know what to expect. It's more exciting because the possibility remains, however remote, that he may become one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Is this logical? Not really, but isn't it more fun to root for a draft pick than a veteran free agent signee? I think hiring a coach like Spags (or Meeks) is the equivalent to drafting a player, while hiring Mooch or Fassell is like getting a veteran free agent. I don't want someone else's sloppy seconds, and I doubt I'm the only one out there who feels this way. That explains a lot of the Fassel hate; it's not that we feel he's a bad coach (well, many people do I guess), but that we know two things about him: 1) He does not have the potential to be one of the greatest ever, and 2) He was fired by the Giants. Why would we want that guy when we can have Steve Spagnuolo, a guy whose potential is, for all we currently know, limitless?[/quote]

I can see it now though. Hire an unknown at HC and if he bombs in a few years people are complaining that they should have hired a proven guy with HC experience.

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I can also see it now -- hire either an unknown, unproven HC or a less than enthusing retread, watch either of them go through a tough first year, and let that be the excuse you need to hire the guy you REALLY want in 2009 -- Bill Cowher.

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[quote=Beemnseven;417249]I can also see it now -- hire either an unknown, unproven HC or a less than enthusing retread, watch either of them go through a tough first year, and let that be the excuse you need to hire the guy you REALLY want in 2009 -- Bill Cowher.[/quote]

I honestly hope that doesn't happen. I would like to believe that Snyder is beyond making moves along those lines.

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Unless there really a fool proof way to make sure Spag is the real deal, I want Fassel. I know it's been mentioned before but the Giants have a really good set of defense players that can make most coaches look good.

One good thing about Spags is that he pretty much turned the secondary of the Giants around right before playoffs. They were getting torched earlier this year, and because their lineup really hasn't changed you have to give Spags props for that one.

Re: Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)
 

[QUOTE=Coff;417239]A lot of it is thinking with the heart and not with the mind, which isn't altogether that bad (especially since we are completely unable to affect the outcome). I support Spags over the other guys precisely [I]because [/I]he has no experience. I want a new guy who is unproven, from whom we don't know what to expect. It's more exciting because the possibility remains, however remote, that he may become one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Is this logical? Not really, but isn't it more fun to root for a draft pick than a veteran free agent signee? I think hiring a coach like Spags (or Meeks) is the equivalent to drafting a player, while hiring Mooch or Fassell is like getting a veteran free agent. I don't want someone else's sloppy seconds, and I doubt I'm the only one out there who feels this way. That explains a lot of the Fassel hate; it's not that we feel he's a bad coach (well, many people do I guess), but that we know two things about him: 1) He does not have the potential to be one of the greatest ever, and 2) He was fired by the Giants. Why would we want that guy when we can have Steve Spagnuolo, a guy whose potential is, for all we currently know, limitless?[/QUOTE]

Though admittedly it's a long shot primarily because of his age, I don't see why he doesn't have the potential to be one of the greatest ever. I mean he's accomplished far more than Belichick did when he and the Brown parted ways.

And I don't know what "He was fired by the Giants" has to really do with anything. Coughlin was fired by the Jaguars and just won a Super Bowl, Dungy was fired by the Bucs and won last year. Williams was fired by the Bills, yet people were ready to grab their torches and pitchforks and march down to Snyder's house when the Redskins didn't select him.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;417248]I can see it now though. Hire an unknown at HC and if he bombs in a few years people are complaining that they should have hired a proven guy with HC experience.[/QUOTE]


There's always that chance but I don't think Fassel has done enough to earn another head coaching job.
He isn't a good coordinator, He took team to the superbowl but he then lost that same team a few years later.

I would risk getting the next spurrier if it means we might get the next jimmy johnson instead of knowing your coach is limited to mediocre success.

Re: Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;417253]Though admittedly it's a long shot primarily because of his age, I don't see why he doesn't have the potential to be one of the greatest ever. I mean he's accomplished far more than Belichick did when he and the Brown parted ways.

[B]And I don't know what "He was fired by the Giants" has to really do with anything.[/B] Coughlin was fired by the Jaguars and just won a Super Bowl, Dungy was fired by the Bucs and won last year. Williams was fired by the Bills, yet people were ready to grab their torches and pitchforks and march down to Snyder's house when the Redskins didn't select him.[/quote]

As you point out plenty of quality coaches have been fired before. That argument really doesn't hold up with me either.

Re: Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)
 

FYI, I don't think spags is the answer. The main reason they stopped the patriots is because they have 4 guys on their Defensive line that dominated their counter parts.
They had a few nice blitzes but I would still rather have Gwilliams anyday of the week and twice on sunday!

Re: Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)
 

[QUOTE=Coff;417239]A lot of it is thinking with the heart and not with the mind, which isn't altogether that bad (especially since we are completely unable to affect the outcome). I support Spags over the other guys precisely [I]because [/I]he has no experience. I want a new guy who is unproven, from whom we don't know what to expect. It's more exciting because the possibility remains, however remote, that he may become one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Is this logical? Not really, but isn't it more fun to root for a draft pick than a veteran free agent signee? I think hiring a coach like Spags (or Meeks) is the equivalent to drafting a player, while hiring Mooch or Fassell is like getting a veteran free agent. I don't want someone else's sloppy seconds, and I doubt I'm the only one out there who feels this way. That explains a lot of the Fassel hate; it's not that we feel he's a bad coach (well, many people do I guess), but that we know two things about him: 1) He does not have the potential to be one of the greatest ever, and 2) He was fired by the Giants. Why would we want that guy when we can have Steve Spagnuolo, a guy whose potential is, for all we currently know, limitless?[/QUOTE]

[B]Plus he lost to the Ravens in the SB with Trent Dilfer at the helm 34-7.[/B]

Re: Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;417249]I can also see it now -- hire either an unknown, unproven HC or a less than enthusing retread, watch either of them go through a tough first year, and let that be the excuse you need to hire the guy you REALLY want in 2009 -- Bill Cowher.[/QUOTE]

People are making a lot of assumptions that Cowher would want the Redskins job.. If the Panthers job is open next year, which it probably will be outside of a NFC Championship Game run, that's his first choice. Richardson can match Snyder $$ for $$ for a salary and it's closer to home.

Also, Cowher is a Scottenheimer disciple and a close personal friend of his. After seeing what Marty went thru while he was here what makes you think he'll be in a rush to be here.

Not to mention with Cerrato's new title, Cowher is only going somewhere with total control so Snyder would have to demote/fire Vinny. Do you see that happening?

Re: Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)
 

[quote=T.O.Killa;416808]I think I want Spag[/quote]
Ditto. He's intense.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;417258][B]Plus he lost to the Ravens in the SB with Trent Dilfer at the helm 34-7.[/B][/quote]

Fassel isn't to blame for that loss. There was nothing any coach could've done. Balt. just had a dominating defense that year.