Re: Ready for the West Coast?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;415150]Well, the WCO under San Fran right?[/quote]Yeah, I got it...

Re: Ready for the West Coast?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;415027]So with the upcoming West Coast Offense, there's been a lot of talk about how will Campbell will adjust to playing in that system.

But I don't think that's the biggest issue really. I think where we need to be concerned is at the WR position. Our top two guys-Moss and El-seem ill prepared to be elite receivers in the WCO. Granted, they're tough and quick and have shown they can go over the middle? But on a regular basis?

I love Moss and would hate to see him go, but will he be wasted here in DC now? Will Anthony Mix suddenly become indespensible? Does Malcolm Kelly become a draft priority? Will Robin escape the clutches of The Penguin? Can Batman Save Gotham? Tune in tomorrow....

Seriously though, vote[/quote]

It's def the WR's. I just don't think Moss and Randle El are top NFL wr's and we need to upgrade at that position. Look how Plaxico B. just dominated the Green Bay corners last week. We just don't have anyone that can take over a game like that. I remember the WCO at it's best when Montana ran it and he had Rice and Taylor at WR. Lots of quick reads, quick slants, misdirection bootlegs and waggles. They ran the pure version of it and it was fun to watch. But if McNabb can run it then so can JC. But it's going to take time and we are going to have growing pains.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;415152][B]I'm sure at some point in time there will be a presser to formally introduce Jim Zorn, and hopefully at that time he will enlighten us to some extent, as to just what type offense he intends to implement.[/B] We all seem to be under the asumption it going to be the WCO as we know it.

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washingtonpost. com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/26/AR2008012602666. html

Anyways I think it will be the receivers who struggle the most

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[QUOTE=erik2680;415177]washingtonpost. com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/26/AR2008012602666. html

Anyways I think it will be the receivers who struggle the most[/QUOTE]


If this is supposed to be a link to something, please explain!!

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QB by far. then WRs. if this is round peg in square hole time, it's going to be a BAD season... hopefully the issues magically work themselves out and the offense is better than last year.

still quite possible for all this change to lead us to 6-10 though :/ we'll know better by pre-season if it's meshing or not.

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Saunders ran elements of the West Coast offense, so I don't think it will be a big deal for anyone. The biggest change for everyone may be the words. The language of the West Coast offense is extremely verbose. Instead of numbered passing routes they all have names. I know Campbell ran some West Coast at Auburn, but that was probably pretty limited compared to what Zorn will be looking to implement. So, Campbell and his receivers need to get that aspect of things figured out here in the next few months.

Here's an article where West Coast guru Paul Hackett described the verbiage as "tongue twisting". Here's an excerpted quote:

''With this offense, there's so much verbiage, you've got to make it happen,'' Hackett said earlier this season, launching into an example of a typical pass play: ''Wide right, b right, scat 322, y stick, x train. That's what you've got to be able to do.''

[URL="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9505EEDA1E3FF932A15752C1A9629C8B63"]PRO FOOTBALL; Jets Take Tongue Twisters Out of Carter's Play Calls - New York Times[/URL]

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My username has never been more appropriate than in this thread.

Seriously though, I'm probably the most worried about our WRs, simply because I'm was the most worried about them before. It's the whole consistency factor, which it looks like multiple folks have brought up. You can't have inconsistency when you're needing a bunch of short completions.

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At this second, Campbell is the least prepared. Everyone else have routes and assignments that can be quickly learned and executed. Campbell has to know it all. And while I do not doubt that he'll pick it up and be ready to go, I still have to put him under the bus as of 30 January 2008 at 10:12am.

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I voted for QB. I'm not so worried about the intelligence factor in Campbell grasping the system...I'm more concerned with his inability to get rid of the ball quickly and his inaccuracy at short/medium-range passes. If Zorn works with him all offseason, perhaps these concerns will be mitigated by training camp.

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I'm going to go with JC and the QBs. ARE and Moss aren't big guys who like going over the middle and getting wailed on, but they have shown the ability to juke and run after the catching balls within 10 yards of the LOS. I'd like a new #2 WR and to put ARE in the slot and I have reservations about our WRs being able to go through a season relatively injury-free, but I don't think our WR corps is necessarily a glaring weakness even with the switch to the WCO.

I have more reservations about Campbell. Admittedly, Campbell played in a WCO in college, but I'm wondering whether that success translates into the NFL. As many others have noted, JC has a slow release and I wonder whether NFL-caliber DBs, who are both smart and fast, will be picking off JC left and right.

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IF we keep Lloyd, will he actually be able to contribute in the WCO?

(j/k, sort of...)

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i didnt vote. i despise the west coast offense. its like an instant sleeping pill, if your watching it. 3 yards here. 5 yards there. in my opinion, the worst thing ever happened to football. with that out of the way, i think Campbell ran the west coast his senior year at auburn. so he should be alright

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[quote=dmek25;415412]i didnt vote. i despise the west coast offense. its like an instant sleeping pill, if your watching it. 3 yards here. 5 yards there. in my opinion, the worst thing ever happened to football. with that out of the way, i think Campbell ran the west coast his senior year at auburn. so he should be alright[/quote]What you speak of is known as the "unsuccessful" WCO.

That's not what Zorn's bringing with him. I hope.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;415182]If this is supposed to be a link to something, please explain!![/QUOTE] You nee 10 posts before you can post a link.

Edit like some have pointed out already Jason Campbell has already been in a west coast type offense before so he should do really well.

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[QUOTE=erik2680;415457]You have to have 10 posts before you can post a link[/QUOTE]

Do you like ZORN? What can we expect?

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[QUOTE=QBall;415460]Do you like ZORN? What can we expect?[/QUOTE]

Yes I like Jim Zorn

with in the next year or two I will take the redskins to win their division in Las Vegas

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[QUOTE=70Chip;415219]Saunders ran elements of the West Coast offense, so I don't think it will be a big deal for anyone. The biggest change for everyone may be the words. The language of the West Coast offense is extremely verbose. Instead of numbered passing routes they all have names. I know Campbell ran some West Coast at Auburn, but that was probably pretty limited compared to what Zorn will be looking to implement. So, Campbell and his receivers need to get that aspect of things figured out here in the next few months.

Here's an article where West Coast guru Paul Hackett described the verbiage as "tongue twisting". Here's an excerpted quote:

''With this offense, there's so much verbiage, you've got to make it happen,'' Hackett said earlier this season, launching into an example of a typical pass play: ''Wide right, b right, scat 322, y stick, x train. That's what you've got to be able to do.''

[URL="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9505EEDA1E3FF932A15752C1A9629C8B63"]PRO FOOTBALL; Jets Take Tongue Twisters Out of Carter's Play Calls - New York Times[/URL][/QUOTE]

Lots of verbiage eh? Uh oh...

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2007/08/jason_campbells_enunciation.html]Jason Campbell's Enunciation - D.C. Sports Bog[/url]

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Offensive line..its been apparent that winning teams have defensive and offensive lines

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[URL="http://www.sportingnews.com/archives/sports2000/trends/135237.html"]Sports 2000 Trends - West Coast offense 101[/URL]

Bill Walsh, discussing the "West Coast Offense" in 1999:

It did not surprise me that four of the six highest-rated quarterbacks of 1998 played in a West Coast-style offense: Randall Cunningham, [URL="http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/players/128/index.html"]Steve Young[/URL], John Elway and Neil O'Donnell. They excel in it because they are great touch passers, which is key in a passing scheme that relies on the precision of the quarterback's throwing rather than the strength of his arm.


Although the offense will raise the completion percentage of just about any quarterback, some are better suited to running it than others. Joe Montana was a master, and so is Young. I think someone like Ryan Leaf, who is a fine athlete, would excel in the West Coast offense, even though at 6-5, 240 he is a much larger man than Montana or Young.


The size of the quarterback is not as important as his athleticism. Kerry Collins is the same size as Leaf, but I have doubts about his ability to excel in this offense. Mobility is key to West Coast success, and Collins just isn't real mobile. He also isn't what I would call a good 'touch' passer, a requirement in an offense that calls for a lot of short and medium passes.