Re: Are the redskins gearing up for 5 WR sets?
 

Let's see...

Moss, Randel El, Thrash, McCardell, Lloyd...

I'm only counting 4 receivers there, how are you figuring we can have a 5-WR set?

:D

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Buster - you're forgetting Reche Caldwell. That would be the 5th, and will likely see the field this weekend if Moss can't go.

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why go to 5 wides are you trying to get JC killed. We barely have two legit WR. LLoyd a bust since day one. KM is probably the 3 best wr and he about 80 yrs old. Caldwell avg at best, thrash is also avg. We have to get Cooley more involved.

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The only reason multiple WR sets work for other teams in the passing game is b/c QB's like Brady, Payton, Palmer, and McNabb (in his prime) were so good that if u single covered those WR's they would be easy pickings for them. Due to that respect you would have 4 and maybe even 3 linemen rushing at times and use the extra men to defend. But, JC is clearly not that established and doesnt strike fear in opposing defensive coordinators. They would just blitz us and he wouldn't get rid of the ball in time. The only reason to implement 4/5 WR's sets is if u want to take men out of the box so that u could give Portis some room to run and avoid opponents putting 8 in the box. From that standpoint it might actually be a good idea.

I would like to see the skins use 3 WR sets and open up the passing game. Throw on 1st and 2nd and then mix in the run when we get into a passing rhythm so that Portis could have those longer runs that he is great at busting open.

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if we go to 3 wr that way to crazy for Gibbs now. He cant max protect. Heaven forbid we stay in 3 wides and challenge the dfense the whole game.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;359151]Buster - you're forgetting Reche Caldwell. That would be the 5th, and will likely see the field this weekend if Moss can't go.[/quote]

Re-read my post. :D

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I haven't read all of the posts but I'll go ahead and make comments...

The answer is NO. For one, JC often misses the open reciever in 3 WR set's. So that would conclude for a young QB reading 4 WR sets wouldn't be feasible. Secondly, we are short 2 starting Offensive and Gibbs likes to max protect. So sending out 5 would get our QB killed most likely.

With that being said, I do have enough trust in the coaches to throw the 4 WR package in their if they see they can execute it. But my guess right now is no.

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I don't know if I'd ever send 5 guys out into the pass pattern at the snap. As good as NFL QBs are at their trades, who can make 5+ accurate reads in less than 4 seconds? Peyton Manning probably could, but who knows if we will ever see someone as good as Manning again?

We should always keep one guy in not only to help the protection, but to give the QB a place to throw at in the event of a pass protection break down. Even if it's just designed to be thrown at his feet. Mix it up. Portis, Yoder, Sellers, even Cooley every once in awhile should be kept in.

I think that Max Protect can be a good strategy if used sparingly, and with the Giants performance against the Eagles, you can see exactly what Gibbs and Co. were thinking. Problem is that you don't want to limit your options too often and make the defenses job easy for them.

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[quote=redsk1;359332]I haven't read all of the posts but I'll go ahead and make comments...

The answer is NO. For one, JC often misses the open reciever in 3 WR set's. So that would conclude for a young QB reading 4 WR sets wouldn't be feasible. Secondly, we are short 2 starting Offensive and Gibbs likes to max protect. So sending out 5 would get our QB killed most likely.

With that being said, I do have enough trust in the coaches to throw the 4 WR package in their if they see they can execute it. But my guess right now is no.[/quote]

If we do this JC will not be making 4-5 reads. It doesn't work that way. Before he snaps the ball he'll already know which side of the field he is going to throw to. So that's probably 2 reads. But we aren't going to be doing this cause Gibbs would never allow it.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;358809]New England isn't missing their entire right side along the offensive line and they also don't have a QB with 10 career starts.[/QUOTE]

And they also have found a new way to steal the other teams signals, yuck-yuck !!!!!!!!!

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God I hope so!!!!

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[COLOR="Red"]What they should do is have a 2 back set with ARE, Moss and Cooley in all the time.[/COLOR]


[QUOTE=WillH;358830]Thats an interesting thought. I think that would be a good formation for this team (Im assuming you are alluding to a wish-bone type of formation).

With Betts and Portis, and sometimes Sellers in there, they could do many versatile misdirection plays, which they seem to love (ie. the counter). And besides that, on passing plays it would be nice to have Betts in there for a check down route and portis in for blocking/play action. Also Portis, though his hands aren't as sure as Betts, is a threat for a first down on little screens and other short passes out of the backfield.

Do many NFL teams utilize this formation? If not how come? If so why don't the Redskins?[/QUOTE]


I dont know of any NFL team that uses the wishbone...but...it doesn't neccessary need to be a wishbone....Betts could also line up as a full back for portis...he is big enough to lead block...he could take the ball...he could pass block or go out for a pass.....I just dont understand why they aren't both in there at the same time....we only have 3 legit recievers....keep em in!
We have 2 quality backs....keep em both in with occasional breaks....am I an idiot or did I miss something here?

Don't you want your 5 playmakers in all the time?....DUH!!!

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Haha, that is like what I do in Madden. I put Betts in at fullback, Cooley in at 3rd receiver and usually Brandon Lloyd at 2nd receiver, just because he is a lot better than Randle El in the game.

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[quote=skinsnut;359510][COLOR=red]What they should do is have a 2 back set with ARE, Moss and Cooley in all the time.[/COLOR]





I dont know of any NFL team that uses the wishbone...but...it doesn't neccessary need to be a wishbone....Betts could also line up as a full back for portis...he is big enough to lead block...he could take the ball...he could pass block or go out for a pass.....I just dont understand why they aren't both in there at the same time....we only have 3 legit recievers....keep em in!
We have 2 quality backs....keep em both in with occasional breaks....am I an idiot or did I miss something here?

Don't you want your 5 playmakers in all the time?....DUH!!![/quote]

Last year in the Houston game ARE lined up w/CP & Sellers (or maybe it was Betts) in the backfield & caught a td on a little swing pass that was more like a screen. So, Saunders has put them in a wishbone before.

Some of Saunders' plays like that are really tricky, but then he won't use them again or even any variation of them.

I'd just like to see 2 backs in to block & let one of them release if there's no rush. Also, Cooley could still catch a screen or 2 to get him the ball.

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[QUOTE=Cowell;359515]Haha, that is like what I do in Madden. I put Betts in at fullback, Cooley in at 3rd receiver and usually Brandon Lloyd at 2nd receiver, just because he is a lot better than Randle El in the game.[/QUOTE]

that is cool!!
....but in real life, lloyd sucks and Cooley needs to be a TE mostly cause he usually only matches up well with LBs/safeties.

Someone else had a post about Cooley taking wideout quick screens...I disagree with that.
Cooley doesn't have a killer first move like Moss, ARE or Portis.
A corner is trained to take someone down 1 or 1 in open space, if the dude doesn't have a juke, he doesn't have a chance...unless, he can plow over the guy and 1 second later, a safety too.

The only kind of screen Cooley could take would be an old school screen with 2 linemen blocking for him...and that is risky these days since that would limit us to the left side linemen

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;359518]Last year in the Houston game ARE lined up w/CP & Sellers (or maybe it was Betts) in the backfield & caught a td on a little swing pass that was more like a screen. So, Saunders has put them in a wishbone before.

Some of Saunders' plays like that are really tricky, but then he won't use them again or even any variation of them.

I'd just like to see 2 backs in to block & let one of them release if there's no rush. Also, Cooley could still catch a screen or 2 to get him the ball.[/QUOTE]

That was a good call, and thanks for the reminder!
Hmmm....touchdown...I like the sound of that!

Now that I think of it, ARE hasn't had many reverses this year, and I cant think of a single one with Moss....we've got some serious shake n' bake players in Moss ARE and Portis....what gives?
Our offensive talent is a lot better than how we are playing...
I will let the line of the hook for 2 more weeks...MAX...this offense should be performing with these sorts of players....
Unfortunately, our playmakers spend half of the snaps on the BENCH!
UGH

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Yeah, it really boggles my mind knowing we have all these great players, yet we don't use them to their full potential. We could have one of the most wide open offenses in the NFL. The only potential problem is Jason, but give him until week 10 and I think he would be fully prepared to run that type of offense.

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[QUOTE=wbecker999;358791]Or is that what they want everyone to believe?[/QUOTE]

it's a shell game I tell ya, it's just a shell game.:goodjob:

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;359524]That was a good call, and thanks for the reminder!
Hmmm....touchdown...I like the sound of that!

Now that I think of it, ARE hasn't had many reverses this year, and I cant think of a single one with Moss....we've got some serious shake n' bake players in Moss ARE and Portis....what gives?
Our offensive talent is a lot better than how we are playing...
I will let the line of the hook for 2 more weeks...MAX...this offense should be performing with these sorts of players....
Unfortunately, our playmakers spend half of the snaps on the BENCH!
UGH[/QUOTE]

Our reverses almost never work. I cringe everytime I see it coming because it's all but a guaranteed 2 yard loss. You need to stretch the field to get the dbs playing off before you can do that. We don't.

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[quote=skinsfan69;359369]If we do this JC will not be making 4-5 reads. It doesn't work that way. Before he snaps the ball he'll already know which side of the field he is going to throw to. So that's probably 2 reads. But we aren't going to be doing this cause Gibbs would never allow it.[/quote]This is accurate and exactly why I believe spreading the field isn't necessary.

He's making 2-3 read plays, how many dummy routes do we need, considering every player sent out is one less player to help in pass pro.

I would play 2 WRs all day, move Cooley all over the place, and let Yoder prove he deserves to be in the NFL. Send the backs into the pattern sometimes like we did in the first half against the Giants. Campbell generally makes good reads, he'll find the open guy.

I can't see a situation in which the Washington Redskins should [B]ever[/B] have more than 3 of their wideouts on the field at once. With guys like Betts, Sellers, Portis, Cooley and Yoder, I believe having more than 3 WRs on the the field (and in most cases, more than 2 WR) is a strategic misuse of personnel.

Which is why we don't do it very often.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;359154]why go to 5 wides are you trying to get JC killed. We barely have two legit WR. LLoyd a bust since day one. KM is probably the 3 best wr and he about 80 yrs old. Caldwell avg at best, thrash is also avg. We have to get Cooley more involved.[/quote]


Cooley is involved...he's a blocker.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;359531]Our reverses almost never work. I cringe everytime I see it coming because it's all but a guaranteed 2 yard loss. You need to stretch the field to get the dbs playing off before you can do that. We don't.[/QUOTE]

You are right, but there's gotta be another safe way besides quick screens to get the ball in the hands of ARE and Moss.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;359582]Cooley is involved...he's a blocker.[/QUOTE]

This is NOT funny

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I think this would only be a good idea for a team if you have an abundance of talent at wide receiver and (and this is nothing against Campbell) a quarterback like Manning. Manning and campbell are just different types of quarterbacks.

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We seen some 4 wide sets today against the lions! Nice job coaching today.