Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;356760]Shows what you know. Clearly, what this team is lacking is a statue of liberty, double reverse, hook 'n ladder, option pass from the one. Damn that conservative run the ball approach!

No one ever wins with a predictable playcall. You never go to your strength, always go for the surprise.

<<He's going to go all the way, unless Blackwood can catch him...>>

I would have done exactly what the Redskins did except with different players. Portis for Betts mainly. And the route that Sellers ran, I'd have run a route where he's already in the endzone when the ball is thrown. Not where he has to catch it and run in[/QUOTE]

Even after those plays failed you would still run them? And you would substitute a smaller back in Portis for Betts to run over people? and then you would run a slant off tackle with a stacked D-line waiting for it? Nice!!!!!!

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

First thing that comes to mind with the sequence at the end for me was: preparation. I love Gibbs to death, just like all of you - but it was his responsibility to have this team prepared in situations like this.

To me, questioning the plays called and the players' execution at the end takes a backseat to Gibbs' responsiblity to prepare this team. For a veteran (not to mention hall-of-famer) coach, this should be a major strength, not a weakness.

If Gibbs hasn't started to already, he needs to go over and prepare these situations in practice. This is what seperates great teams from lesser ones.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

blah blah blah

That's pretty much all I'm hearing lately

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!! We were 5-11 last year people! When did this sense of entitlement begin?? Sure we let one get away yesterday that we should have won, but we're 2-1!!!!!

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[QUOTE=offiss;356783]Even after those plays failed you would still run them? And you would substitute a smaller back in Portis for Betts to run over people? and then you would run a slant off tackle with a stacked D-line waiting for it? Nice!!!!!![/QUOTE]

I don't think that just because a play doesn't work once you never go back to it again. I also don't believe that Betts 2 pound advantage over Portis is worth sitting CP on the bench for.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

!st - Spike the Ball to stop the clock.
2nd - Run the ball with Betts
3rd- Fake Spike Hit Moss or Cooley
4th- Play Action to Sellers, Hit Cooley

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

We shoulda brought in Lloyd as the sole WR (as everyone on earth knows he won't catch a TD), with the D thinking run all the way, lob it to him for the easy score.

By the way I am kidding.

In reality, regardless of his earlier fumble CP shoulda been in there, 21 TDs in his last 22 games - the guys got a nose for the endzone.
Also, does no-one fake spike anymore? Hows about running up to the line screaming "spike" and with the D not fully committed as they are assuming spike we get a yard or 2 seperation and "BAM" (in a Dan LeBatard style) there you have it.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

[quote=GMScud;356833]The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!! We were 5-11 last year people! When did this sense of entitlement begin?? Sure we let one get away yesterday that we should have won, but we're 2-1!!!!![/quote]


Of course the sky is not falling, but it was raining on a day that was forecasted to be sunny and beautiful for the redskins. It is a little disheartening and at the very least disappointing, that the redskins lost because of the way that the season was going- until the 2nd half of the giants game. On the positive side though, realistically the redskins can be a great team THIS season - if they understand and work on the problems that arose during the 2nd half of the giants game.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

Remember, clock is running, no timeouts, less than 1:15 to play...

1st down-Rollout right, try to get Cooley in the back of the end zone

2nd down-fake Sellers dive, flip to Portis sweep left

3rd down-spike

4th down-4 wide shotgun with Cooley as a WR, roll right, try to find Cooley along the back of the end zone or run for the pylon..

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

i would have thrown a pass on a rollout.somebody would have bound to have gotten open.or they could have thrown a pass to samuels on a lineman turned/tackle eligible play.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

[QUOTE=offiss;356783]Even after those plays failed you would still run them? And you would substitute a smaller back in Portis for Betts to run over people? and then you would run a slant off tackle with a stacked D-line waiting for it? Nice!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Offiss, funny how you haven't been around to praise Gibbs et al after the victories. Would you be happy with anything less than the return of Spurrier and Ramsey?

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;356883]Offiss, funny how you haven't been around to praise Gibbs et al after the victories. Would you be happy with anything less than the return of Spurrier and Ramsey?[/QUOTE]

It's even funnier how you selectively don't pay attention. And even funnier that you would anoint Gibbs after 2 games against teams that are not that good who were in position to tie, or beat us in the final 2 minutes, or in OT, this last game against the Giants is exactly why I didn't, or wont jump on that bandwagon until it actually arrives, I wanted to make sure a different Gibbs was in the house now that we have a real QB, but unfortunately it's the same old story we have been watching since his return, he treats the football like it was made of plutonium, we lost to the worst of the 3 teams we have played blowing a 14 point lead at home in the second half, what a complete an utter joke. But your more than welcome to pick up the old pom poms and perform a few routines for gibbs by all means.:woot:

Make no mistake about it, the Giants didn't beat us, Gibbs rolled out the red carpet and handed that victory to them, his charity work never stops.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

JC, QB sneak over the left side on 1st down insted of spiking it, game tied.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

First down: spike:need some time 2 think!
second down: fun mik e sellers
if third down: sneak with jason
if fourth: sneak jason
but mike would have got it in on second!

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

[QUOTE=offiss;357050]It's even funnier how you selectively don't pay attention. And even funnier that you would anoint Gibbs after 2 games against teams that are not that good who were in position to tie, or beat us in the final 2 minutes, or in OT, [B]this last game against the Giants is exactly why I didn't, or wont jump on that bandwagon until it actually arrives, I wanted to make sure a different Gibbs was in the house now that we have a real QB, but unfortunately it's the same old story we have been watching since his return[/B], he treats the football like it was made of plutonium, we lost to the worst of the 3 teams we have played blowing a 14 point lead at home in the second half, what a complete an utter joke. But your more than welcome to pick up the old pom poms and perform a few routines for gibbs by all means.:woot:

Make no mistake about it, the Giants didn't beat us, Gibbs rolled out the red carpet and handed that victory to them, his charity work never stops.[/QUOTE]

What is that supposed to mean exactly? Does that mean you're going to piss all over the team until what? They go to a Super Bowl? Then you'll jump right on board and say "I've been a fan for over 30 years, blah blah blah" "I knew it all along because I'm a football man, blah blah blah."

Really, I'd like to know what you (and others who have said similar things) mean.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;357101]What is that supposed to mean exactly? Does that mean you're going to piss all over the team until what? They go to a Super Bowl? Then you'll jump right on board and say "I've been a fan for over 30 years, blah blah blah" "I knew it all along because I'm a football man, blah blah blah."

Really, I'd like to know what you (and others who have said similar things) mean.[/quote]

Really it just comes down to those that are constantly negative about the team, and when things are going well they'll sit quietly and not say a thing, and once something goes wrong BAM, they pounce on everything.

We're 2-1, there are a lot of teams right now that would love to be 2-1. Just ask the Saints how 0-3 feels.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;357103]Really it just comes down to those that are constantly negative about the team, and when things are going well they'll sit quietly and not say a thing, and once something goes wrong BAM, they pounce on everything.

We're 2-1, there are a lot of teams right now that would love to be 2-1. Just ask the Saints how 0-3 feels.[/quote]
I bet a guy (which at the time did not seem too smart) $50.00 that the Saints would not do any better than 8/8. Now that bett is starting to look pretty good.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;357101]What is that supposed to mean exactly? Does that mean you're going to piss all over the team until what? They go to a Super Bowl? Then you'll jump right on board and say "I've been a fan for over 30 years, blah blah blah" "I knew it all along because I'm a football man, blah blah blah."

Really, I'd like to know what you (and others who have said similar things) mean.[/QUOTE]

I have found trying to explain football to cheerleaders is usually fruitless. Just leave them alone and let them cheer, cause they will never get it.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

[QUOTE=offiss;357205]I have found trying to explain football to cheerleaders is usually fruitless. Just leave them alone and let them cheer, cause they will never get it.[/QUOTE]

That's your response? Somehow I'm not surprised. This is why you are without question one of the least, if not the least, respected member on this board. (For those that have any respect for you)

You make people want to break every rule about valuing other opinions, and no personal attacks.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

[QUOTE=bigSkinsfan61;356726]1st: portis middle
2nd: sneak
3rd: bootleg
4th: portis up the gut[/QUOTE]


Naked bootleg! Yes...Jason Campbell is fast enough for this to work. Maybe we'll see this play in the future. With-in the 5yd line and executed properly, very hard to stop.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;357224]That's your response? Somehow I'm not surprised. This is why you are without question one of the least, if not the least, respected member on this board. (For those that have any respect for you)

You make people want to break every rule about valuing other opinions, and no personal attacks.[/quote]

LOL 'explain football', like he's some sort of football professor or something. Please.

Personally I find it hard to explain anything to ignorant, closed-minded, negative fools. Just leave them to sulk in their own misery and let them continue to think they are some sort of expert since all they do is constantly shit on the team.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

mike sellers mike sellers mike sellers

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

Im not an NFL coach, I dont get paid Millions of dollars to make these decisions, and with Joe Gibbs calling those plays I would have said 9 times out of 10 we would make it in. We didnt, it happens, the Giants played great in the second half and we choked, but there is no reason to start a thread based on woulda,coudla,shoulda. Theres a reason Gibbs has a bust in the hall of fame, he knows what hes doing, sometimes it doesnt work, but how many teams have gone undefeated in the Superbowl era? Thats right, 1

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;357224]That's your response? Somehow I'm not surprised. This is why you are without question one of the least, if not the least, respected member on this board. (For those that have any respect for you)

You make people want to break every rule about valuing other opinions, and no personal attacks.[/QUOTE]

Hypocrisy at it's highest, you make me just flat out laugh with your weak and childish come backs, the problem you have is my OPINION usually differs with yours, and you have an over blown opinion of your football knowledge, so a different opinion is like getting slapped in the face for an individual like yourself. The fact is you take every opportunity to try and come after me and make it personnel, not that I really care it's like arguing football with a 3 year old, he's going to disagree but you know you can't talk sense to him so you smile and leave him be. I really have more than enough confidence than to have to run around trying to conger up respect from others [although I usually find when someone has to drag others into, or site other people to help fight their battles they are all out of facts and just grasping at straws], lets face it your a GIG guy and any one who says anything about your beloved Gibbs is to be ostrosized, I actually have OPINIONS of my own, I am not dancing at the end of some string like a puppet being dangled by JG.

[QUOTE]You make people want to break every rule about valuing other opinions, and no personal attacks.[/[/QUOTE]

That quote is just precious, I am one of the few members who does not attack people personally for there opinions until they make it personal with me, I may debate with them till we are both blue in the face but I don't make it personal. You on the other hand do nothing but. You continually make personal attacks not on occasion but daily, any one who says something you don't like, or agree with gets a healthy does of basically your an idiot in one form or another from you, lets face it you think your the big dog around here when it comes to the skins, and if I thought for one second you had remotely any real valued football knowledge I would say it regardless of how I would feel personally towards you or any one else for that matter, but your not even close. Your a little dog with a big bark.

It's funny you say to respect opinions constantly, but not when it comes to a criticism of the Skins, why? Because any one who has criticized the Skins under Gibbs has been for the most part right since his return, it is frustrating because I want to win as much as any body, but the fact is we are not on the right track, he is not progressing as a coach, we are seeing the same exact problem now that we saw in 2004, nothing has been fixed other than sitting Brunell, the game has long passed him by and many can't admit it, that doesn't mean I am not going to root for him, it just means I see the same problems cropping up that we have seen in the past and we all know what that leads to. The fact is any one who watched that game on Sunday saw the same garbage we saw on opening day against Tampa in 2004, we all scratched our heads and wondered why gibbs stopped pushing the ball in the second half keeping Tampa in the game? Well here it is 4 seasons later and he's still doing the exact same thing and you can't see it, you keep expecting him to some how come out and be the coach who rolled up the score on team after team in 92' well it ain't happening unless he removes himself from all aspects of the offense! With the talent we have on offense especially in the passing game coupled with the horrid Giants defense the fact that we didn't score 40 plus points is a joke, the Giants don't have a player on their team who can cover any one of our WR's, and their LB's cant come close to covering Cooley, and we did nothing in the second half, if that doesn't scream Gibbs and his coaching ability I don't know what will?

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From JLC,
"Anyway, we all know the Redskins have choked away their fair share of games since this staff took over in 2004. So I got to thinking how they stood up with other teams, and well, as in the overall W/L record the last 15 years or so, their company ain't pretty.

According to Elias, since 2004 the Redskins have 11 losses when leading at the half, which puts them ... worst in the NFL. Oakland (11) and Houston (10) are the only other teams with double-digit loss totals when leading at the half since Gibbs came back to the NFL.

Overall, Washington is a mediocre 15-11 in 26 games when leading at the half since 2004.

The Redskins used to be the team that got a lead and battered opponents like no one else in the game; now it's the opposite. The rosters aren't nearly as good, the front office not nearly as sound, and say what you will of ownership, game-day coaching decisions, etc.as you consider what this stat means, and what it points to. "

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

offiss is the football man, tough to compete with that.

Funny that he thinks [I]someone else[/I] has an overblown opinion of their football knowledge. :doh:

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[QUOTE=offiss;357418]Hypocrisy at it's highest, you make me just flat out laugh with your weak and childish come backs, the problem you have is my OPINION usually differs with yours, and you have an over blown opinion of your football knowledge, so a different opinion is like getting slapped in the face for an individual like yourself. The fact is you take every opportunity to try and come after me and make it personnel, not that I really care it's like arguing football with a 3 year old, he's going to disagree but you know you can't talk sense to him so you smile and leave him be. I really have more than enough confidence than to have to run around trying to conger up respect from others [although I usually find when someone has to drag others into, or site other people to help fight their battles they are all out of facts and just grasping at straws], lets face it your a GIG guy and any one who says anything about your beloved Gibbs is to be ostrosized, I actually have OPINIONS of my own, I am not dancing at the end of some string like a puppet being dangled by JG.



That quote is just precious, I am one of the few members who does not attack people personally for there opinions until they make it personal with me, I may debate with them till we are both blue in the face but I don't make it personal. You on the other hand do nothing but. You continually make personal attacks not on occasion but daily, any one who says something you don't like, or agree with gets a healthy does of basically your an idiot in one form or another from you, lets face it you think your the big dog around here when it comes to the skins, and if I thought for one second you had remotely any real valued football knowledge I would say it regardless of how I would feel personally towards you or any one else for that matter, but your not even close. Your a little dog with a big bark.

It's funny you say to respect opinions constantly, but not when it comes to a criticism of the Skins, why? Because any one who has criticized the Skins under Gibbs has been for the most part right since his return, it is frustrating because I want to win as much as any body, but the fact is we are not on the right track, he is not progressing as a coach, we are seeing the same exact problem now that we saw in 2004, nothing has been fixed other than sitting Brunell, the game has long passed him by and many can't admit it, that doesn't mean I am not going to root for him, it just means I see the same problems cropping up that we have seen in the past and we all know what that leads to. The fact is any one who watched that game on Sunday saw the same garbage we saw on opening day against Tampa in 2004, we all scratched our heads and wondered why gibbs stopped pushing the ball in the second half keeping Tampa in the game? Well here it is 4 seasons later and he's still doing the exact same thing and you can't see it, you keep expecting him to some how come out and be the coach who rolled up the score on team after team in 92' well it ain't happening unless he removes himself from all aspects of the offense! With the talent we have on offense especially in the passing game coupled with the horrid Giants defense the fact that we didn't score 40 plus points is a joke, the Giants don't have a player on their team who can cover any one of our WR's, and their LB's cant come close to covering Cooley, and we did nothing in the second half, if that doesn't scream Gibbs and his coaching ability I don't know what will?[/QUOTE]

Ok, you've said your piece. I disagree with just about everything you wrote. But I'm not going to get into it any further. We will have to agree to disagree

Let's just move on

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

The standard sequence when you are that close should be run pass run. Given the clock I would have gone pass run pass but, they nearly scored on first run and decided to take a chance. I don't know why everyone is so focused on the offense. The defense's inability to play pass defense is the only thing that causes me concern at this point. We will always give up big yards when we rush four and play zone. It looked like a repeat of last year in the second half.

Now, I will go back to my bye week. Everyone relax.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

QB keeper with the option to pass.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

Big perspective on first and goal at the one,..... yes we are all sad that they did not get in, but to win the game, they would have not only needed to get in, but make the extra point and then score again in OT.

The OT situation was a fortunate situation against the Dolphins, but the Skins could have very easiy lost in OT to the Giants this past weekend.

A TD last week was not for the win, but for a tie and a CHANCE in OT. Again, only a CHANCE. The Football Gods, (as TMQ would call them), decided that the Skins played too bad in the second half to deserve the win, so they saved us the sadness of losing in OT, and just gave it to us early!

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

Roll out pass to cooley !!

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

Play fake to Betts, float Cooley in the corner. TD!

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

Goal line plays:

1ST DOWN: Spread the field w/ three wr's and just Sellers in backfield. Sellers crashes down on the right side and Campbell follows him in (because like others have said NY PREDICTED we would go left).

2ND DOWN: I-formation w/ Portis following Sellers to the left, but it's a fake and ARL sweeps from left to right going wide for a TD run.

3RD DOWN: Clock could be way down so it probably has to be a pass. Something play action to Betts w/ a corner shot to Cooley.

4TH DOWN: Honestly, I can't see it going this far. Get the ball to CP and let him sniff out the goal line.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

it's just one loss. stop acting like the season is over.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

[QUOTE=offiss;357418]Hypocrisy at it's highest, you make me just flat out laugh with your weak and childish come backs, the problem you have is my OPINION usually differs with yours, and you have an over blown opinion of your football knowledge, so a different opinion is like getting slapped in the face for an individual like yourself. The fact is you take every opportunity to try and come after me and make it personnel, not that I really care it's like arguing football with a 3 year old, he's going to disagree but you know you can't talk sense to him so you smile and leave him be. I really have more than enough confidence than to have to run around trying to conger up respect from others [although I usually find when someone has to drag others into, or site other people to help fight their battles they are all out of facts and just grasping at straws], lets face it your a GIG guy and any one who says anything about your beloved Gibbs is to be ostrosized, I actually have OPINIONS of my own, I am not dancing at the end of some string like a puppet being dangled by JG.



That quote is just precious, I am one of the few members who does not attack people personally for there opinions until they make it personal with me, I may debate with them till we are both blue in the face but I don't make it personal. You on the other hand do nothing but. You continually make personal attacks not on occasion but daily, any one who says something you don't like, or agree with gets a healthy does of basically your an idiot in one form or another from you, lets face it you think your the big dog around here when it comes to the skins, and if I thought for one second you had remotely any real valued football knowledge I would say it regardless of how I would feel personally towards you or any one else for that matter, but your not even close. Your a little dog with a big bark.

It's funny you say to respect opinions constantly, but not when it comes to a criticism of the Skins, why? Because any one who has criticized the Skins under Gibbs has been for the most part right since his return, it is frustrating because I want to win as much as any body, but the fact is we are not on the right track, he is not progressing as a coach, we are seeing the same exact problem now that we saw in 2004, nothing has been fixed other than sitting Brunell, the game has long passed him by and many can't admit it, that doesn't mean I am not going to root for him, it just means I see the same problems cropping up that we have seen in the past and we all know what that leads to. The fact is any one who watched that game on Sunday saw the same garbage we saw on opening day against Tampa in 2004, we all scratched our heads and wondered why gibbs stopped pushing the ball in the second half keeping Tampa in the game? Well here it is 4 seasons later and he's still doing the exact same thing and you can't see it, you keep expecting him to some how come out and be the coach who rolled up the score on team after team in 92' well it ain't happening unless he removes himself from all aspects of the offense! With the talent we have on offense especially in the passing game coupled with the horrid Giants defense the fact that we didn't score 40 plus points is a joke, the Giants don't have a player on their team who can cover any one of our WR's, and their LB's cant come close to covering Cooley, and we did nothing in the second half, if that doesn't scream Gibbs and his coaching ability I don't know what will?[/QUOTE]

LOL! Same ol' Offiss. Takes any opportunity he can to crap on the team but won't back them when they're playing well. Only going to be a fan when things are going great.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

Actually, offiss has a stong case here. I always remind myself there is a lot to love about the Skins today, but the coaching/playcalling leaves a lot to be desired. I think you can even see how the offense finds it hard to get excited about the playbook.

Re: First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

Doc Walker gave a great analysis of the 3rd down play where Betts tried to cut to the inside instead of following Mike Sellers around the left end. Not a very good move instinctlvely when there's no daylight to be found inside. Follow Sellers, and he probably scores. Of course that's all moot if Campbell leads Sellers with the pass on 2nd down. Bottom line, no play will work with poor execution.