Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

some people just like to rag on the skins front office, regardless of the moves they make.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

Some people think they richly deserve it.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

The FO certainly deserves negative reviews based on the past, but I do think that you have to be encouraged by what we've seen so far. Sure, I'd have loved to see us sign Dock last year, but the jury was still out on him getting HALF what he just got, and I give credit to his agent for playing the market well.
I'll be really convinced the FO has changed if we trade down & grab some extra picks.
I understand why people are still skeptical, this isn't the first time we've shown restraint when we didn't have the cap space, remember when Samari Rolle was on the market in 05?
But gibbs' sounds like they've learned their lesson, and J. clayton said the same thing on espn. I'll wait till after the draft to see how much they've changed, but I like what I see so far. Letting Davis walk was a great non-move, especially since the Boys paid way too much for him.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

Would have been nice to see Davis next to CS, but not at that price tag!

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

all OL are grouped together for the franchise tag, so any OL would get 9.4mill or so under that tag this year, which would have really crippled the skins ability to do anything.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

This new restraint is welcome. I cant help but think that in a few years when we are winning our second straight superbowl we'll look back on this offseason, after the disasterous free agency of signings of last year, as the point at which they learned their lesson and things began to turn.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

Davis got $49.6 million, $18.75 guaranteed, with $24 million in the first 3 years. They overpaid so much. He's not even that good.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2787446]ESPN.com - NFL - Cowboys finalize deal with prized tackle Davis[/url]

Re: Davis to Cowboys....
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;284006]I'll wait to see how they do with the draft before I heap any praise upon them.

As far as free agency goes, I believe it's been more a testament to their inability to do anything insane as opposed to their desire to do something like that.[/QUOTE]


I agree that our financial situation forced us from doing a great deal in free agency. It's not that we didn't want too, we had to do what we could afford. There were a couple more targets we had our eye on, but they fortunately were priced out of our range.

I'm going to hold my breath now and see what we do with this draft. Are we going to trade away our future like we have constantly done in the past or are we going to make smart moves geared toward the future. So far we still have all our draft choices for next year, will that remain, and we begin building the team the conventional way, or will we revert back to trading away the
future for a quick fix now. After the draft, I'll have a better idea as to whether we're heading in the right direction or not.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

[quote=steveo395;284107]Davis got $49.6 million, $18.75 guaranteed, with $24 million in the first 3 years. They overpaid so much. He's not even that good.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2787446"]ESPN.com - NFL - Cowboys finalize deal with prized tackle Davis[/URL][/quote]

yikes. wonder how mad they'll be when they find out he sucks...

Re: Davis to Cowboys....
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;284033]If you want to do high-fives over London Fletcher and Fred Smoot, go right ahead. I'm comfortable with them, but let's see how they pan out first, that's all I'm saying.

With our cap situation, there wasn't a whole the front office could do.[/QUOTE]

What did you want our front office to do? They have done exactly what we have all complained about them not doing in the past. True, we didn't have alot of cap room, but we still picked up good quality players for the amount of cap room we had, which translates into good moves in the offseason. I'm sure if you look at the NFL as a whole you will realize that the Redskins aren't doing anything different than what other NFL franchises are doing.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;283880]I can't believe the deals that average/good players are getting, it's really insane.[/QUOTE]

Remind me a lot about this past off season MLB deals for pitching. Overspending for marginal past performances.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

[QUOTE=That Guy;284097]all OL are grouped together for the franchise tag, so any OL would get 9.4mill or so under that tag this year, which would have really crippled the skins ability to do anything.[/QUOTE] A question we still get a compensation pick for the loss of Dockery right? If so is it based where he was drafted,what he is going to make or what? Where do you think the pick will be?

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

[quote=RedskinPete;284197]A question we still get a compensation pick for the loss of Dockery right? If so is it based where he was drafted,what he is going to make or what? Where do you think the pick will be?[/quote]Compensatory picks are not automatic. Usually they are given to teams currently in the league's graces (like Denver and Philadelphia). It will be for the 2008 draft and likely not any higher than a sixth rounder.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;284203]Compensatory picks are not automatic. Usually they are given to teams currently in the league's graces (like Denver and Philadelphia). It will be for the 2008 draft and likely not any higher than a sixth rounder.[/QUOTE]

Actually there's a formula for comp picks. URAs lost - UFAs signed. There are other details like where the guy was drafted I believe. At this point we would 0 since we signed two and lost two.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

[quote=FRPLG;284205]Actually there's a formula for comp picks. URAs lost - UFAs signed. There are other details like where the guy was drafted I believe. At this point we would 0 since we signed two and lost two.[/quote]But the processes used to determine the quality of FA signed vs lost are highly subjective and not standardized at all. In the past, Denver lost picks as a penalty for being over the cap during their SB run, only to be handed them back as compensatory picks. Very shady business.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

I think it is more misunderstood than shady.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

[quote=FRPLG;284213]I think it is more misunderstood than shady.[/quote]Possibly. That one instance was shady at least. Maybe I'm just projecting that to the entire process.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

well, the doors are closed on the meeting that decided who gets what, but # of FAs lost/number gained and contract values of all those FAs comes into play, and whom among them were starters.

we might get a very very late 7th, if something insane happens a very late 6th. don't hold your breath.

right now, doc is out (50mill) but smoot and fletcher are in (50mill), so i'd guess we get nothing at all.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

[QUOTE=That Guy;284216]well, the doors are closed on the meeting that decided who gets what, but # of FAs lost/number gained and contract values of all those FAs comes into play, and whom among them were starters.

we might get a very very late 7th, if something insane happens a very late 6th. don't hold your breath.

right now, doc is out (50mill) but smoot and fletcher are in (50mill), so i'd guess we get nothing at all.[/QUOTE] We we get anything when Duckett signs some where?

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

[quote=RedskinPete;284327]We we get anything when Duckett signs some where?[/quote]

I really doubt it. he barely played and won't get a big contract.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

[quote=steveo395;284107]Davis got $49.6 million, $18.75 guaranteed, with $24 million in the first 3 years. They overpaid so much. He's not even that good.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2787446"]ESPN.com - NFL - Cowboys finalize deal with prized tackle Davis[/URL][/quote]

NFL teams really are losing their minds with these insane deals going to guards.

Anyone remember the shit we took for stealing Thomas away from the Jets?? I remember Lenny P slamming the Skins pretty good for giving a guard big money.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

thomas is better than ANY of the OL that's been up this year. hutchinson is better, but I mean, damn. Our OL went from being highly priced to being a decent value overnight. I mean, we could have gotten samuels signed and delivered MUCH cheaper before walter jones signed his deal (danny didn't want to overpay, but by waiting ended up paying much more than samuels originally asked for), but even now it doesn't really seem that bad.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

[QUOTE=That Guy;284365]thomas is better than ANY of the OL that's been up this year. hutchinson is better, but I mean, damn. Our OL went from being highly priced to being a decent value overnight. I mean, we could have gotten samuels signed and delivered MUCH cheaper before walter jones signed his deal (danny didn't want to overpay, but by waiting ended up paying much more than samuels originally asked for), but even now it doesn't really seem that bad.[/QUOTE] Yes it is funny what a week dose in the NFL or the sports world! Try to sign our 4 OL men now! Still we need to get back to the draft when it comes to lineman because you just can pay out these kind of contracts!

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

[quote=Mattyk72;284349]NFL teams really are losing their minds with these insane deals going to guards.

Anyone remember the shit we took for stealing Thomas away from the Jets?? I remember Lenny P slamming the Skins pretty good for giving a guard big money.[/quote]


Some things never change,, Pete Prisco chided us for overpaying again for London Fletcher... yet never even mentioned the Nate Clements deal or any of the guard signings. The "journalists" and their personal grudges...
Fletcher's deal is a good one, and practically paltry compared to the goings on out there this weekend.

~Bang

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

[quote=BangCartoon;284383]Some things never change,, Pete Prisco chided us for overpaying again for London Fletcher... yet never even mentioned the Nate Clements deal or any of the guard signings. The "journalists" and their personal grudges...
Fletcher's deal is a good one, and practically paltry compared to the goings on out there this weekend.

~Bang[/quote]


We as Skins fans have to accept the fact that no matter what we do, spend or not spend, we will be critisized for our moves. None of us can deny the fact we overpay free agents because we HAVE TO HAVE this guy. We get blasted because a high % of those guys really haven't panned out (there are always exceptions) I do agree that we overpayed for Fletcher. I dont see him getting 10 million up front from anyone else, but could be wrong there. I think 6 to 7 up front may have landed him, even that may be a little high for a 32 year old MLB.
We have to get use to it. that is the life of a skins fan - get blasted year in and year out for spending money - and wait for a winning season, deep playoff run, superbowl birth to justify the spending. We just haven't had that season yet. But rest assured, when we do win (and we will eventually) all those same critics will say money well spent.

Re: Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

[quote=RedskinPete;284373]Yes it is funny what a week dose in the NFL or the sports world! Try to sign our 4 OL men now! Still we need to get back to the draft when it comes to lineman because you just can pay out these kind of contracts![/quote]

seriously, a 2nd round OG can be a high level starter for 10 years, and the first 4 or 5 seasons on that rookie contract cost less than 1mill per.