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[QUOTE=jbcjr14;275515]I keep hearing the Redskins philosophy is not working???? Maybe its not working on the field, but let us not forget this is a business and The Washington Redskins are the most profitable NFL franchise. If this BUSINESS is about profitability, then Snyder has nailed it.

I know, if they continue to lose people will walk on. Guess what, they haven't had a winning streak but 2 times in the last 15 years and they continue to prove their business model attracts the almighty fans dollar!

I don't like the way things are going in the FO, but from a business perspective it is spot on and wish I owned a little piece![/QUOTE]

The Redskins financial success does in part have to do with Snyder’s smart business moves, but more of it to do with the wealth of the DC market and Jack Kent Cooke building his stadium.
The DC area is one of the wealthiest NFL markets in the entire country. The DC area is not Green Bay or Detroit. Snyder did not polish a turd. I credit Snyder with taking one of the top NFL franchises and increased it’s revenues in new and creative ways. But the majority of the increase in revenue came from the new 80K to 90K seat stadium and increased ticket prices that the DC area can easily absorb. The wait list for season tickets before JKC stadium was 30 years long.

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[quote=Mattyk72;275526]Schneed has pointed out several times that we CAN indeed cut some dead weight such as AA or Lloyd, and still be able to make moves in free agency and the draft without it being a major problem.[/quote]I really, really think Schneed is underestimating the cost of signing 20 players who are currently not signed for 2008 against the 2008 cap. If we have to restructure 20-25 million of veteran salary just to get under the cap in 2008 with no major FA signings (which is what he is suggesting), thats 20-25 million that is completely unrecoverable in years 2009-2011. It's going to build up quick.

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G, I don't know if your right or Schneed. I do know that every year about this time does the entire media world proclaim the "sky is falling" for the Skins. Salary cap HELL, etc. To date, Dan Snyder has proved them................well, you get it.

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[quote=Hog1;275541]G, I don't know if your right or Schneed. I do know that every year about this time does the entire media world proclaim the "sky is falling" for the Skins. Salary cap HELL, etc. To date, Dan Snyder has proved them................well, you get it.[/quote]The sky isn't really falling, and Scheed's point that we [U]can[/U] create a lot of cap room for 2008 is correct. The key is at this point in time, we only have about 25 or so guys rostered for 2008 and beyond, half the amount needed to field a team. We are already within 8 million of the projected salary cap, and will likely be over it after this year's draft and FA season, and I only expect us to add 6-7 players. So the question becomes how much restructuring is necessary to get 20 additional players under the cap. If we make mass cuts, the downside is obvious, but if we make mass restructurings, 2009s cap situation will be twice as difficult as 2008.

If we stop restructuring contracts now, we can stay out of cap hell with little cost. (This means we cut players like Wynn, Fauria, John Hall and maybe Todd Collins) If we continue to push $10 million plus of guarenteed into the next seasons, we will eventually hit a wall, maybe as soon as next season.

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If it was up to me, I would stop the buck right here and right now (coming off a 5-11 season), but we can keep these guys together for next year (restructuring), make one more run, and bite the bullet in 2008. If this organization chooses this path, and continues to try to restructure their way out of these problems in 2008 like idiots, there will be no talent on this team come 2009.

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[quote=GTripp0012;275548]If it was up to me, I would stop the buck right here and right now (coming off a 5-11 season), but we can keep these guys together for next year (restructuring), make one more run, and bite the bullet in 2008. If this organization chooses this path, and continues to try to restructure their way out of these problems in 2008 like idiots, there will be no talent on this team come 2009.[/quote]

I have to believe these conceptsare not on them. This is what they do.........like professionally. I find it impossible to imagine that any of this is a surprise to Joe2 and Co., and not accounted for in some manner.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;275541]G, I don't know if your right or Schneed. I do know that every year about this time does the entire media world proclaim the "sky is falling" for the Skins. Salary cap HELL, etc. To date, Dan Snyder has proved them................well, you get it.[/QUOTE]


With a 21-27 record over the last 3 years, and virtually no draft picks this year to help us along, I guess it all depends on how you describe the "sky falling." If it's not falling, it's pretty close, and the sky isn't necessarily the limit for this club.

What I do know is that this structure has built a team that completely collapses when just one player -- last season it was Shawn Springs -- goes down for not even half the year. When your house of cards is that shaky, and when you've compiled the win-loss record that we have, I don't how you can't say the sky isn't falling.

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Going back to the Business of Football and how successful Snyder has been, here's a good website (Forbes) that shows all of the teams and breaks down their value. Pretty interesting. The Raiders by the way rank somewhere like 28.

[url=http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/30/06nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_land.html]The Business Of Football - Forbes.com[/url]

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A couple of comments if I may:

1. Too bad they don't have playoffs and give out championship trophies on the basis of which team makes the most money or has the highest total revenue. The reason they don't is that it wouldn't keep fan interest all that long. The "F" in "NFL" stands for "Football" not "Finances". I don't care even a little bit how much revenue the Colts or the Bears took in during the last year or what their profitability was or was not. I care that they played in the Super Bowl in February and the Redskins' coaches and players (all more well paid than those on the notoriously miserly Bears) have been sitting on their thumbs since December 31.


2. It's not even remotely important that the Redskins CAN create cap room. The only important thing is for them to do something [U]smart[/U] with the cap room they do create.


3. In the NBA, people make fun of the Knicks because they have the highest payroll and they stink. In the NFL, the Redskins paid out more money last year than any other team (counting signing bonuses and coaching salaries and scouting resources and facilities costs); in case anyone has forgotten, the Skins were 5-11; they stunk. So, like the Knicks, they are made fun of. The way to avoid that is to win [U]on the field[/U]. No one makes fun of the NY Yankees and their high payroll. People don't like their payroll, but no one makes fun of the franchise because the Yankees win. If anyone wants the Colin Cowherd's of the world to shut up, all they have to do is find a way to put a winner on the field a few years in a row.


4. Before I agree that Gregg (the second "g" is supposed to stand for "genius") Williams will be the next coach here in DC, I'll have to see the Skins' defense improve DRASTICALLY in each of the next two seasons and be a top five or six defense in the league. If not, he'll lose his cachet and Danny Boy will move on to some other "boutique" coach.

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[quote=12thMan;275481]Like I've said in a couple of threads, we did finish the season 12 starters that were drafted as Redskins. How many teams can lay hold to that claim?

Not many.[/quote]

The problem is we have no draft picks in the pipeline.

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I've listened to that radio show a time or two and his knowledge of football is virtually nill. He spent the entire fall ripping the SEC and then came Florida...whoops.

Memo to Cameron Gray: Remember who you work for. Get rid of this guy and replace him with something else. Anything else. Personally, I'd rather listen to Polka Music.

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[quote=Hog1;275554]I have to believe these conceptsare not on them. This is what they do.........like professionally. I find it impossible to imagine that any of this is a surprise to Joe2 and Co., and not accounted for in some manner.[/quote]I agree with this assessment. I think someone (probably a lot of people) in the Skins organization likely opposes the restructuring of so many veteran deals each year.

Anyway, the new CBA contract was a blessing in that it bought us about two more years then we would have had under the old CBA. We went out and quickly squandered the first year.

I think Joe Gibbs believe this team is capable of winning now. I think his faith is justified...to an extent. Although Gibbs would never make a move that he believes will harm the future of the franchise, at his age even the most noble men in the world surely would be considering all possible ways to win now.

I know I, as a fan, would gladly trade three years of cap purging and mediocrity for one world championship. But I'm not fickle enough to think that even if we have the best offseason of any team and put togehter the toughest roster in the league, that our chances of going all the way in any given year is better than 5-1. Gibbs has one year to get it done with this roster, and I'm sure he knows this. In fact, I bet most of this year's free agent moves were done under the assumption that Gibbs had two years to make it happen, so might as well compromise the future for the best possible chance to win within the next two years.

Well, the first year of that 2 year window produced a 5-11 result. So either the plan has to be aborted, the buck stopped here (as I previously suggested), and the future saved, or we stay the course, pour all of our remaining resources into 2007, and the legacy of Gibbs2 is defined by one season--2007.

I think Gibbs and company have already made up their minds. If they don't get at least a deep playoff push this next season, then this franchise is in dire straights.

Back to the main point, I'm sure there is significant conflicting views within the organization. I'm sure that the impeding doom is common knowledge, but some people surely think that one more go with this core group is the best chance that this franchise will have to win it all for a long time.

And as much as I hate to say it, this organization may knowledgebly be sacrificing its future...for a good yet potentially futile cause.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;275570]The problem is we have no draft picks in the pipeline.[/QUOTE]

Don't we have all our picks for 2008 and 2009?

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One good thing for us--this Colts team that won the Super Bowl this past weekend was, in essence, a flawed roster. The run defense wasn't as much fixed for the playoffs as much as it was patched up by a scheme change. The 2007 Colts should still have a run defense problem.

But what this team did demonstrate is that--with a little luck--a flawed roster can win 4 straight playoff games and be crowned champions. It gives hope to our 2007 team.

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[quote=TAFKAS;275574]Don't we have all our picks for 2008 and 2009?[/quote]Yes, which is why I'm thinking there will be a purge of over-the-hill veterans over those two seasons, replaced by draft picks.

Just a prediction.

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[quote=Mattyk72;275494]Don't get me wrong I'm not backing the current front office philosophy, but it is what it is.

I can probably tell you what Gibbs and co. are thinking.

They're thinking look what happened in 2005... they've shown they can win and get to the playoffs with this current setup and personnel strategy. I'm sure they will look at last year and learn some valuable lessons, and they will look to replicate the same success they had from bringing in guys like Moss, Springs, Griffin, Washington, etc., rather than bombs like Arch and Lloyd.[/quote]

Well if that's what they are doing then may God help us.

Can someone tell me what was so impressive about 05? Let's face it. Some of those 10 wins were not very impressive. I know some of you are going to rip me but I don't care. Beating Ariz does not impress me. Beating a bunch of bad teams without their starting qb's down the stretch is not impressive to me. Losing to Norv Turner at home is ridicules. Beating Kyle Orton does not impress me. You saw the difference when Marc Bulger started this past year vs. 05 when STL had some 3rd stringer named Fitzpatirck starting. Bulger killed our defense. Simply put we all saw the difference when we played tougher teams. I'm glad we made the playoffs and I was cheering my ass off but let's keep it real.

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[quote=skinsfan69;275580]Well if that's what they are doing then may God help us.

Can someone tell me what was so impressive about 05? Let's face it. Some of those 10 wins were not very impressive. I know some of you are going to rip me but I don't care. Beating Ariz does not impress me. Beating a bunch of bad teams without their starting qb's down the stretch is not impressive to me. Losing to Norv Turner at home is ridicules. Beating Kyle Orton does not impress me. You saw the difference when Marc Bulger started vs. 05 when STL had some 3rd stringer named Fitzpatirck starting. You also saw the difference when we played tougher teams. I'm glad we made the playoffs and I was cheering my ass off but let's keep it real.[/quote]

End result was the playoffs and a playoff win to boot.

Pick it apart any way you want, but it [I]was[/I] a playoff season. That's the reality of it.

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[quote=Beemnseven;275497]I'll answer my own question. And tell me honestly if you're not astounded by this...

[B]The last time the Redskins drafted a defensive lineman that turned out to be a starter was Rich Owens in the 5th round of 1995.[/B]

Not in 11 years until Golston and Montegomery did we draft another D-lineman that played with any consistency.

Am I missing something here? Is anyone here not stunned by this fact?[/quote] Not suprised , I was thinking C. Mann < drafted 83 > . I am suprised that the team rarely uses a high draft pick on the D Line . Maybe Im wrong , but I believe B Wilson is the only D Lineman drafted in rd # 1 by the Skins since Gibbs was hired in '81 .

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[quote=skinsfan69;275580]Well if that's what they are doing then may God help us.

Can someone tell me what was so impressive about 05? Let's face it. Some of those 10 wins were not very impressive. I know some of you are going to rip me but I don't care. Beating Ariz does not impress me. Beating a bunch of bad teams without their starting qb's down the stretch is not impressive to me. Losing to Norv Turner at home is ridicules. Beating Kyle Orton does not impress me. You saw the difference when Marc Bulger started this past year vs. 05 when STL had some 3rd stringer named Fitzpatirck starting. Bulger killed our defense. Simply put we all saw the difference when we played tougher teams. I'm glad we made the playoffs and I was cheering my ass off but let's keep it real.[/quote]How many impressive victories do you think the average playoff team has? In 2005, we had the 2nd toughest schedule of any team in the NFL (SD was No. 1). In 2005, we blew out a few teams, some crappy, some good. Blowout victories are usually very indicitive of team dominance. This year, we blew nobody out, and got boned in some close games that we should have won, and ended up losing. We were much better than 5-11, I think, but we left crappy teams in the game--something that the 05 team never did (outside of the Oakland game last season--very telling of things to come). This allowed inferior rosters like Tennessee and Minnesota to win close games against us.

Bottom line: if we want to get back to winning, this team will have to show that it can dominate some games in 2007.

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After seeing the crap that we have drafted (excluding Campbell so far,) the high draft picks such as Desmond Howard, Michael Westbrook, Heath Shuler...just to name a few...why should there be such an emphasis on draft picks? We did advance in the playoffs with a free agency team in '05, there isn't a reason why it couldn't happen again. The biggest thing is to use free agency wisely and sign the guys who have been in the league a few seasons but are still young (like Moss and Portis) and stay away from the aging guys. Either way, some guys are going to make the point of the sky falling no matter what, even if we win the Super Bowl next season.

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[quote=skinsfan69;275580]Well if that's what they are doing then may God help us.

Can someone tell me what was so impressive about 05? Let's face it. Some of those 10 wins were not very impressive. I know some of you are going to rip me but I don't care. Beating Ariz does not impress me. Beating a bunch of bad teams without their starting qb's down the stretch is not impressive to me. Losing to Norv Turner at home is ridicules. Beating Kyle Orton does not impress me. You saw the difference when Marc Bulger started this past year vs. 05 when STL had some 3rd stringer named Fitzpatirck starting. Bulger killed our defense. Simply put we all saw the difference when we played tougher teams. I'm glad we made the playoffs and I was cheering my ass off but let's keep it real.[/quote]



Bro, not trying to be a set of donkey balls here, but I dont think I have a choice. I think you might be able to find something wrong and/or to nit pick about if we went 16-0 and won the superbowl 105-3.
Dont get me wrong, the redskins have issues for sure, but..... lets keep it real.

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You play the games you're scheduled...and this past year provided plenty of games to win. 05 was a good year period...end of story.

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[quote=TAFKAS;275574]Don't we have all our picks for 2008 and 2009?[/quote]

I meant no draft picks in the pipeline from previous drafts.

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[quote=SkinEmAll;275596]Bro, not trying to be a set of donkey balls here, but I dont think I have a choice. I think you might be able to find something wrong and/or to nit pick about if we went 16-0 and won the superbowl 105-3.
Dont get me wrong, the redskins have issues for sure, but..... lets keep it real.[/quote]

Not true at all.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;275605]I meant no draft picks in the pipeline from previous drafts.[/QUOTE]

Still don't follow but that's ok

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;275580]Well if that's what they are doing then may God help us.

Can someone tell me what was so impressive about 05? Let's face it. Some of those 10 wins were not very impressive. I know some of you are going to rip me but I don't care. Beating Ariz does not impress me. Beating a bunch of bad teams without their starting qb's down the stretch is not impressive to me. Losing to Norv Turner at home is ridicules. Beating Kyle Orton does not impress me. You saw the difference when Marc Bulger started this past year vs. 05 when STL had some 3rd stringer named Fitzpatirck starting. Bulger killed our defense. Simply put we all saw the difference when we played tougher teams. I'm glad we made the playoffs and I was cheering my ass off but let's keep it real.[/QUOTE]

Well, as has been mentioned, you play the games you're scheduled to play. And the good teams, like the 2005 Redskins, beat the teams they're supposed to beat.

Should Colts fans celebrate a great season that culminated in a Super Bowl win? Or should they say it's not so impressive because they barely beat Vince Young in his second career start, squeaked by the Dolphins in Cleo Lemon's first start, lost to the 8-8 Titans and Jaguars, lost to the Texans, oh and not to mention beat the Redskins which, by your logic, isn't impressive?

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[quote=skinsfan69;275580]Well if that's what they are doing then may God help us.

Can someone tell me what was so impressive about 05? Let's face it. Some of those 10 wins were not very impressive. I know some of you are going to rip me but I don't care. Beating Ariz does not impress me. Beating a bunch of bad teams without their starting qb's down the stretch is not impressive to me. Losing to Norv Turner at home is ridicules. Beating Kyle Orton does not impress me. You saw the difference when Marc Bulger started this past year vs. 05 when STL had some 3rd stringer named Fitzpatirck starting. Bulger killed our defense. Simply put we all saw the difference when we played tougher teams. I'm glad we made the playoffs and I was cheering my ass off but let's keep it real.[/quote]

So going 5-1 in the NFC east is not impressive to you, the only loss coming to the Giants, at giant stadium, after the death of an iconic figure in wellington mara. Going 10-2 in the NFC all together, which actually should have been 11-1 if you count the robbery in Tampa, is not impressive. Going to Tampa and beating them on there home field in the playoffs is not that impressive to you. Doing all this with a 35 year old QB, A second reciever named David Patten, a starting Defense that had guys like Lemar Marshall,Ryan Clark,Walt Harris,Joe Salavea,Demetric Evans and Phillip Daniels, all guys considered expandable every where else isnt impressive to you. If you dont understand how good the 05' team actually was, then you dont really understand football.

The five game winning streak was pretty amazing, they had to beat Arizona and St.louis on the road, even though they were not great teams, they still were not home games, and then they had to beat the Giants, the Cowboys and the Eagles to make the playoffs and they did.
Thats pretty damn good if you ask me.

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Just about everything that can be said about this subject has already been said, but there is one thing I think we all want to see, and that is our team be consistently competitive on a sustained basis. I'm convinced in order to achieve this, we have to abandon that win now at all costs philosophy, place more value on the draft with emphasis on long term success as opposed to short term fixes.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;275617]So going 5-1 in the NFC east is not impressive to you, the only loss coming to the Giants, at giant stadium, after the death of an iconic figure in wellington mara. Going 10-2 in the NFC all together, which actually should have been 11-1 if you count the robbery in Tampa, is not impressive. Going to Tampa and beating them on there home field in the playoffs is not that impressive to you. Doing all this with a 35 year old QB, A second reciever named David Patten, a starting Defense that had guys like Lemar Marshall,Ryan Clark,Walt Harris,Joe Salavea,Demetric Evans and Phillip Daniels, all guys considered expandable every where else isnt impressive to you. If you dont understand how good the 05' team actually was, then you dont really understand football.

The five game winning streak was pretty amazing, they had to beat Arizona and St.louis on the road, even though they were not great teams, they still were not home games, and then they had to beat the Giants, the Cowboys and the Eagles to make the playoffs and they did.
Thats pretty damn good if you ask me.[/quote]Don't attribute that Giants loss to Mara's death, that's just a media story. On the field, I'm sure the fact that the owner of the Giants had died earlier that week was not something either team was considering given the complexities of an NFL offense/defense. We were outplayed badly, and it was a cause for concern.

That said, what told me that that team was going to be alright is that the week after that bloodbath, they returned home to play the 49ers. Now the 49ers were a bad team at the time, but many weaker teams would have a propensity to alter the gameplan to make sure you beat a team like SF after such a hard defeat the week before--and the 2005 team goes out and beats SF every bit as bad as they were beaten by the Giants a week before. That game, as seemingly meaningless as it was, told me that this team was for real.

Call me crazy, but if we beat the 49ers 28-27 on that day, I don't think we are going to make the playoffs.

Good teams beat bad opponents by big margins most of the time.

-EDIT- The 49er game happened before the Giants game. Still, same point stands, and the Eagle victory at home was pretty impressive also, I think.

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First off Colin Cowherd is a Jim Rome wannabe and I'm sick of his act. ESPN brought him in like the second coming after Kornheiser left and he immediately commenced sucking a$$.

Granted he brings up a lot of good points but he still talked trash about our team. It's like someone talking trash about family. You can call your brother a SOB but don't let the guy down the street call your brother a SOB.

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I'd be willing to bet a large amount of money that the people who don't like Cowherd don't like him only because of what he said about Virginia a while back.

If you ask me, both accounts have some truth to them. I don't mind the drafting of draft picks so long as we keep a good amount of them as to where we have a decent showing on draft day(s).

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[QUOTE=12thMan;275481]Like I've said in a couple of threads, we did finish the season 12 starters that were drafted as Redskins. How many teams can lay hold to that claim?

Not many.[/QUOTE]

How many teams are picking 5th this year?

As tough as it is for the GIG crowd to swallow this guy's rant he's dead on, the problem is no one can actually believe Gibbs is this pathetic with personel, well it ain't changing so get used to losing until someone man's the ship and starts running the teams personel department with some kind of legitamacy, and who knows we may get lucky and find a genious to handle the GM duties, but right now between Gibb's, Cerratto, and Snyder, we may as well have the 3 stooges assembling talent!

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[quote=724Skinsfan;275566]Going back to the Business of Football and how successful Snyder has been, here's a good website (Forbes) that shows all of the teams and breaks down their value. Pretty interesting. The Raiders by the way rank somewhere like 28.

[URL="http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/30/06nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_land.html"]The Business Of Football - Forbes.com[/URL][/quote]

I dont think anyone on this site questions Dans ability to make money. I dont think that is what this thread started out to be. Dan is great at making money, putting a positive spin on things. what we are saying is, the running of the football operations needs to improve. Who cares how much money we make if we can't win more than 5 or 6 games a year!!

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[quote=GTripp0012;275589]How many impressive victories do you think the average playoff team has? In 2005, we had the 2nd toughest schedule of any team in the NFL (SD was No. 1). In 2005, we blew out a few teams, some crappy, some good. Blowout victories are usually very indicitive of team dominance. This year, we blew nobody out, and got boned in some close games that we should have won, and ended up losing. We were much better than 5-11, I think, but we left crappy teams in the game--something that the 05 team never did (outside of the Oakland game last season--very telling of things to come). This allowed inferior rosters like Tennessee and Minnesota to win close games against us.

Bottom line: if we want to get back to winning, this team will have to show that it can dominate some games in 2007.[/quote]

if you want to say we lost games we should have won, well we definately won a game or two that could have gone the other way. Dallas comes to mind, Jacksonville. The only impressive win I can think of from last year was the New Orleans game. that was a total team effort and looked like a playoff team. The other 15 games, not so rememberable as team dominance.

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[quote=squrrelco3;275620]First off Colin Cowherd is a Jim Rome wannabe and I'm sick of his act. ESPN brought him in like the second coming after Kornheiser left and he immediately commenced sucking a$$.

Granted he brings up a lot of good points but he still talked trash about our team. It's like someone talking trash about family. You can call your brother a SOB but don't let the guy down the street call your brother a SOB.[/quote]


dude, you should turn off the radio! somebody talks about the Redskins, and they automatically suck? seriously, get a hobby. I am a die hard skins fan, but until the Redskins actually win some games, CONSISTANTLY, over a period of more than 1 year, you are going to hear it year in and year out. get use to it.

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Cowherd sucks for much more than his opinions on the Skins.

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[QUOTE=offiss;275674]How many teams are picking 5th this year?[/QUOTE]

One...the Arizona Cardinals

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[quote=TAFKAS;275700]One...the Arizona Cardinals[/quote]

LOL perfect

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;275698]Cowherd sucks for much more than his opinions on the Skins.[/QUOTE]

Amen.

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[quote=#56fanatic;275685]I dont think anyone on this site questions Dans ability to make money. I dont think that is what this thread started out to be. Dan is great at making money, putting a positive spin on things. what we are saying is, the running of the football operations needs to improve. Who cares how much money we make if we can't win more than 5 or 6 games a year!![/quote]

It was just a simple fact-based response to Colin's comment:

"PATHETIC. BRUTAL. You can't run a business that way!"