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[quote=dmek25;214205]what is up with our defense? for the past 2+ seasons, has been top 10 quality. the only 2 changes have been ryan clark and lavar. did someone underestimate how much they meant to this team?[/quote]

Missing Springs is HUGE.

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The defense was the bigger disappointment. I expected the defense to be solid and I think we in D.C. have been a little spoiled by our D. They played okay, not spectacular, just okay. They were pretty good against the run (allowing C.T. to average less than 3 ypc), but they allowed far too many big plays on 3rd down or made dumb penalties. That said, they allowed about 300 yards and 19 points ... above average, but not Redskins D.

I didn't expect much out of the offense and I didn't see much out of them either. They moved the ball quite well, that is until they got into the red zone 4 times and went 1(TD)-3(FG). They've got far too much talent to score just 16 points at home, on Monday night, against the Vikings defense.

Overall, the offense played a worse game, but I expected the defense to be good and the offense to be just average. So, I'm more disappointed in the defense.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;214066]I put that loss on the defense. The offense made it into the red zone 4 times and within scoring range another. You can't let a team off of their own goal line (bad penalty notwithstanding) ever. You can't let a team convert 53% on 3rd down. You can't let Brad Johnson, Troy Williamson, Chester Taylor and Travis Taylor make big plays on you, ever. Especially at home. I'd hate to be in practice Wednesday if I was on Williams D but he needs to do 40 up-downs himself for that vanilla defense he called..[/QUOTE]

Wait, I don't understand how you put the loss on the defense and proceed to point out how the offense scored just 1 touchdown in 4 trips to the red zone. The defense definately needs improvement, but I would think you'd expect more than 16 points out of a Saunders, Portis, Moss, ARE, Cooley, Lloyd offense playing at home.

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The bottom line is neither unit made plays when they needed to. The defense needed to make plays on 3rd downs and they didn't. The offense needed to actually score touchdowns and, save 1, they didn't.

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I watched the game like all the Redskin faithful. I anticipated and planned for the game for weeks. I was disappointed. I have read all the why's and how's detailing what injury, penalty, limp ass kicker are the cause for the loss. Although it was a close game by the scoreboard, I am just ...........................Damn disapponted. It was not that close. I will survive............but, I personally do not remember a game when we could NOT step up, anywhere. The Vikes did what they had to do when they had to do it. That is the mark of championship team. We did not. I firmly believe we have a more talented team, staff, etc. We did not play like it, and if one player injured, or a couple of penalties gone the wrong way=loss........................be a long season. As somebody stated earlier, we got dominated. Our killer O-line, D-line, etc got bitched.........regularly. To many people say, we are just trying to buy a SB with overpriced free agents. last night, we proved them right. I Felt like I was watching Houston. maybe it will light a fire in their bellies for the Cowboys. If not..........I don't want to think about it-Damn disappointing

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To many new guys on both sides of the ball. Players have to get aquainted with each other before anyone will start making make plays. That's why Ryan Clark was (and Demetric Evans is) so valuable to us. In the long term, Archuleta may have better stats than Clark but, how many games do we have to lose before everyone is on the same page? It could be too late.

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[quote=Hog1;214246]I watched the game like all the Redskin faithful. I anticipated and planned for the game for weeks. I was disappointed. I have read all the why's and how's detailing what injury, penalty, limp ass kicker are the cause for the loss. Although it was a close game by the scoreboard, I am just ...........................Damn disapponted. It was not that close. I will survive............but, I personally do not remember a game when we could NOT step up, anywhere. The Vikes did what they had to do when they had to do it. That is the mark of championship team. We did not. I firmly believe we have a more talented team, staff, etc. We did not play like it, and if one player injured, or a couple of penalties gone the wrong way=loss........................be a long season. As somebody stated earlier, we got dominated. Our killer O-line, D-line, etc got bitched.........regularly. To many people say, we are just trying to buy a SB with overpriced free agents. last night, we proved them right. I Felt like I was watching Houston. maybe it will light a fire in their bellies for the Cowboys. If not..........I don't want to think about it-Damn disappointing[/quote]Let's not get too down. We can lose a conference game at home. Once Gibbs get it goin'...ain't no stopping us.

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Why couldnt we get a call when our guy got drillllllled from behind after a ball sailed way over his head.....Taylor got that flag when he hit a receiver still trying to make a play on the ball!!! and that was not helmet first he deffinately hit him with his shoulder!! Im not making any excuses but those two plays, the one call and the one blown call, screwed us!

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I don't think anyone would say the offense looked like the Chiefs of the past few years, but they did put up some points. I thought the defense was going to be able to keep the Vikes from moving the ball, but, obviously, that wasn't the case. I wonder if the D was a little shell-shocked on that opening drive?

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;214304]I don't think anyone would say the offense looked like the Chiefs of the past few years, but they did put up some points. I thought the defense was going to be able to keep the Vikes from moving the ball, but, obviously, that wasn't the case. I wonder if the D was a little shell-shocked on that opening drive?[/QUOTE]

I honestly think that Springs' absence meant the difference in the game. I think Springs is one of the most important players to the defense, second only to Griffin.

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If we don't have Springs next week we are gonna get killed. GW won't leave Rogers, Rumph, or Wright on an island against TO or Glenn, therefore we won't have any pressure and we all know how Bledsoe does without pressure. I love the skins to death but if they perform like they did last night and all of preseason this game will be over by halftime.

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Neither side of the ball was very effective but I think the defense was the greater disappointment. Inability to cover receivers, penalties, third down conversions, and just overall lack of effort were all contributing factors. Players point to mistakes, but it's not a mistake when you can't cover anybody. If we see that same kind of coverage against Owens, Glenn, and Whitten on Sunday night then a flight to Dallas is useless. You can't go "back to the drawing board" and learn how to cover receivers, and tackle opposing ball carriers. We must do a better job with the basics.

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[quote=EXoffender;214301]Let's not get too down. We can lose a conference game at home. Once Gibbs get it goin'...ain't no stopping us.

You right EX

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That was a pathetic display of defense and special teams. Surprisingly, the offensive was more effective than expected but the defense could not stop the Vikings on third down or put pressure on Brad Johnson. If they do not put pressure on Drew Bledsoe, the Cowboys will eat them alive. The two bright spots was the kickoff and punt return teams but the coverage was horrible and needs to be addressed immediately. The offense moved well, it just needs to convert those drives into more touchdowns. I'm surprised they didn't use T.J. Duckett in goalline situations.

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins;214350]That was a pathetic display of defense and special teams. Surprisingly, the offensive was more effective than expected but the defense could not stop the Vikings on third down or put pressure on Brad Johnson. If they do not put pressure on Drew Bledsoe, the Cowboys will eat them alive. The two bright spots was the kickoff and punt return teams but the coverage was horrible and needs to be addressed immediately. The offense moved well, it just needs to convert those drives into more touchdowns. I'm surprised they didn't use T.J. Duckett in goalline situations.[/QUOTE]

I'm not so sure the defense was so piss poor and the offense was that good. I think they both did some good things and they both did some bad things.

Third down conversions were bad on both sides of the ball. The defense allowed the Vikings to convert 52% of 3rd downs. Our offense, however, converted just 30% of third downs.

Both sides did okay with regard to rushing. The offense averaged 4.1 yards per carry. The defense allowed just 2.5 yards per carry and only 86 total rushing yards.

Both sides were sub-par in the passing game. The defense allowed 223 yards and the offense only put up 163 yards.

The stats are pretty even on both sides. My eyes told me that both sides did okay; a decent job, but not enough to get it done.

Granted, I would have expected the defense to look better, but objectively speaking it did just as well as the offense in my mind.

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[quote=Mattyk72;214211]Missing Springs is HUGE.[/quote]One guy down?! That shouldn't be huge if you're putting together a winning team.

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our defense did lack of effort and very over confident
GW should by any means fix that come sunday

our offense should hurry up mastering their playbook

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can we shutdown down teams next week

what the hell some of the top Defensive teams shout down their opponents this week even thought they had average offense

look at the chargers and the ravens

surely our talents is the same as this teams

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[quote=EXoffender;214358]One guy down?! That shouldn't be huge if you're putting together a winning team.[/quote]

We saw it last year when Griffin went down. The run D was awful.

Yes, one guy can make that much of a difference. He's that important.

Springs and Griffin are the two guys that hold this entire D together.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;214459]We saw it last year when Griffin went down. The run D was awful.

Yes, one guy can make that much of a difference. He's that important.

Springs and Griffin are the two guys that hold this entire D together.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree.

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defense by a mile. we're used to better than that. the vikes only had johnson an still managed to beat us. bad timing on penalties too :(

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[quote=EXoffender;214358]One guy down?! That shouldn't be huge if you're putting together a winning team.[/quote]

yeah, i mean, there'd be NO drop off if portis or moss, or, ummm... jon jansen went down :P

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wow... I clicked the D thinking it would be a little closer poll. I was very dissapointed. Their recievers kept getting alot of seperation and there was no pressure on BJ. *I really like that nickname... BJ*

I feel like the offense will come together... (not that the D wont) but the offense looked much better than anything I saw in preseason. The starting D looked much worse. I mean, they were pushing everyone backward for the first couple of preseason games... just out-grunting them and blitzing and even pushing teams out of field goal range several times....

not sure whats happening but it needs to stop. We looked bad at times last year without Griffin and Springs, so if we need some depth... maybe we think of trading a couple of picks for some corner or line depth...

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i also voted the defense as a bigger disapointment. the offense actually looked pretty effective, that effectiveness only came in small spurts but it was definately there.
the defense looked overwhelmed(sp) , there was no coverage on the wr's and absolutely no pressure on the qb, the run defense was decent.

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Tyler Jones would have knocked it down. Trust me, this kid can kick. I am from Idaho and am a huge Boise St. fan. This kid kicked our ass in High School. He is accurate as hell and hits the end of the endzone 90% of the time on kick offs. Bring him back Joe

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[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The defense was a big disappointment. However we have 6 new people on the defense. I think the defense will come along. Remember we were one dropped pass and one bad penalty away from a victory. Evan then if ARE makes the first down on the last drive we still win.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]The offense look better than it did in the preseason but what happened to Betts. It looked like he lost a step to me. He was always one step from breaking. I liked the sweep play but I don’t understand why we keep running it with Betts. Why didn’t we run it more with Portis? [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Also where was Cooley, Patten, or Lloyd? I don’t remember Brunell even throwing to Patten. [/SIZE][/FONT]

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The defense was absolutely awful...did they ever get off the field without the help of a Williamson dropped pass? If they did I can't remember.

I thought the offense moved the ball pretty well except in the red zone. I don't know what the time of possession was for the game but it sure felt like the skins did not have the ball very much becasue when the Viks had it they usually kept it for 10 minutes at a time.

Awful awful awful defense...

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[QUOTE=celts32;215579]Awful awful awful defense...[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

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The offense presented us with a chance to win. The defense kept giving up too many 3rd down conversions, and Sean Taylor didn't help things with his two 15 yard penalties.