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I'd rather lose them all (preseason) than win them all. We will turn the corner thursday against BAL. Does that mean we'll will? No but, the offense will be sharper and the defense will do thier thing.

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Wait, is it still August? Still? Who has a calender?

I was looking for the button when Portis and Springs went down. But then I read a few reports, realized they aren't going to miss serious time, sat down in my chair, and fell asleep.

Wake me when September [Comes].

I hate Green Day.

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[quote=GTripp0012;209059]I hate Green Day.[/quote]
now thats the smartest thing ive heard all day

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I'm not worried, but last nights game has dampened my enthusiasm a bit. I firmly believe preseason is complete crap and no indicator of anything in the regular season.

BUT, a 41-0 pounding just doesn't sit well. I know the gameplan is limited, the playbook is limited, all that stuff. But we just looked BAD last night. No heart, no drive, no enthusiasm - the entire team was outplayed. Outplayed as a team, outplayed man to man. Does that mean the sky is falling and we're doomed to be the bottom-feeders of the NFC East? Of course not.

Other teams I've watched in the preseason have looked good (Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, Indianapolis, etc.) I'm not talking their win-loss record, I'm talking the play of the starters. They look quick, sharp, efficient and in control. Frankly the 'Skins last night look completely befuddled - like no one knew what was going on, and on every side of the ball.

I'm not crying myself to sleep or worrying myself sick, but it does make you wonder how a team with as much player and coach talent as we have end up getting humiliated 41-0, even if it was a meaningless game.

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i was at the skins game on saturday against the pats and i can not honestly say one thing they did that impressed me

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[quote=NicknacK89;209090]i was at the skins game on saturday against the pats and i can not honestly say one thing they did that impressed me[/quote]

They're not trying to impress you yet. They're evaluating players, running vanilla schemes, and working on timing. We aren't there yet, but that's expected. Someone earlier said he would rather lose all the games and I'm right there with you.

Gibbs is a sports psychology genious, I mean look at the mans track record. We all saw how he talked up the 49'ers and look at the result. We crushed. We had a huge offseason, made it to the playoffs and there's a lot of hype. A LOT of hype. We are all part of that hype.

What better way to eliminate over-confidence (joe gibbs despises this) then to get blown out 41-0. Trust me we're fine. Come monday night, we will see a very different motivated team.

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[quote=onebum;208956]I don't see any reason to worry, we havn't lost a game yet this year. It will be 3-4 weeks before I even consider that we may not win big this year. Panic right now, not hardly.[/quote]


Though thats my thought on it, I will say it SUCKS DONKEY DOO DOO to watch and listen to games in which my team does that poorly. No worries, but i don't like hearing them lose at anything, even a which teams locker room has the cleanest floors competition.

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I agree it is certainly not entertaining. That's where beer comes to the rescue.

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no worries..its early, we are playign scrubs to see if they are any good...and we arent game planning.

The coaches are looking at our players, not studyign the other teams film. They will be ready for the regular season becasue they will prepare to play the Vikings, not prepare to evaluate talent

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All you people saying it is not a big deal, I really admire your optimicism. Yeah we won the Super Bowl in 91 with a bad preseason, and same with Saunders overall record in the preseason. But if you go back and look at those scores, there is a huge difference.

Our offense hasn't done shit, and maybe we should not be so hard on them because they have only used "2 percent" of their offense, but still we generated almost no points last couple games, so that is not a good sign.

We should be much harder on our defense, because there is no excuse to give up so many points, regardless of what string you are.

On the positive note, it is better to lose now than later, but that doesn't mean we should not be a bit worried. Same applies with injuries as well.

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Saturday's game against the Pats wasn't pretty. No way to sugarcoat that. And being the third preseason game it's the most important one. Which I guess is like saying Ashlee is the smart Simpsons sister. And, like someone keenly observed in another thread, you can't really compare this team entirely to 1991 because the core of that group had been around for a few years.

However, a few things to note. Raise your left hand if you recall at the end of 2004 and a 6-10 record when a whole bunch of people here were screaming "Gibbs has lost it, the game's passed him by." Now raise your right if you recall people panicking when Coles said he wanted out, and then we lost Pierce and Smoot on top of that. Now stand on your right foot if you recall the mass hysteria when Gibbs insisted that we hadn't seen the last of Brunell. Now hop on your foot if you remember the sheer devastation that engulfed much of this board when we lost three in a row last year including a pathetic loss to the Raiders that left us at 5-6. All hope was lost then remember?

By now most of you should be jumping up and down with your hands high in the air. But what ended up happening last year? 10-6 with a playoff win. Point is, actually I don't know what the point is, just that it seems there are way too many sky is falling attitudes.

What I've always felts separates Gibbs from other coaches is his ability to finish strong. There are few, if any, coaches in the history of the NFL that have his December record. What that tells me is that so long as the Redskins stay in contention through the first 8 or 10 games, they're in good position to separate themselves from the rest of the pack down the stretch.

So no, I'm not worried.

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I know, I know...I'm late on this poll but here goes. The Redskins really have me scratching my head after Saturday. The one consistent thing that I've seen in all three games is that the team is flat. They're flat during the game and they are flat during the interviews to be honest. And if I hear one more time that we are only using 2 percent of Al Saunders' vaunted playbook, I'm going to puke. What is that suppose mean? Do you really think the Bengals, Jets, and the Pats were going all out? The Pats were basically sending Ben Watson, no guys in motion, straight down the middle to shred our defense.

The two bright spots, the only two bright spots, during the game were both Sean Taylor and LeMar Marshall. Both were in or around nearly every play. I thought ST was playing middle linebacker for a while there. Seemed like he snuffed out the run plays quite often. Marshall was effective on both the run and defending the pass. It appears to me that these guys, along with M.Washington, really bring it every game.

I think our dilima could be somewhat of a carry over from last year. I'm reaching on this one but I think it's possible this team only responds well to adversity. I hope I'm wrong but we'll see in three weeks.

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what me worry nope not me cause it,s preseason.
i,m thinking of hitting the easy button cause i,m realizing the skins are running a vanilla offense and defense to begin with.

not to worry... bring on 9/11..

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one of coach gibbs greatest attributes is the ability to make game time adjustments. this is something that just doesnt happen during preseason

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[quote=TAFKAS;209148]Saturday's game against the Pats wasn't pretty. No way to sugarcoat that. And being the third preseason game it's the most important one. Which I guess is like saying Ashlee is the smart Simpsons sister. And, like someone keenly observed in another thread, you can't really compare this team entirely to 1991 because the core of that group had been around for a few years.

However, a few things to note. Raise your left hand if you recall at the end of 2004 and a 6-10 record when a whole bunch of people here were screaming "Gibbs has lost it, the game's passed him by." Now raise your right if you recall people panicking when Coles said he wanted out, and then we lost Pierce and Smoot on top of that. Now stand on your right foot if you recall the mass hysteria when Gibbs insisted that we hadn't seen the last of Brunell. Now hop on your foot if you remember the sheer devastation that engulfed much of this board when we lost three in a row last year including a pathetic loss to the Raiders that left us at 5-6. All hope was lost then remember?

By now most of you should be jumping up and down with your hands high in the air. But what ended up happening last year? 10-6 with a playoff win. Point is, actually I don't know what the point is, just that it seems there are way too many sky is falling attitudes.

What I've always felts separates Gibbs from other coaches is his ability to finish strong. There are few, if any, coaches in the history of the NFL that have his December record. What that tells me is that so long as the Redskins stay in contention through the first 8 or 10 games, they're in good position to separate themselves from the rest of the pack down the stretch.

So no, I'm not worried.[/quote]

Great Post. I agree with you and I'm not worried yet. I've bought into watching the preseason this year because I was so excited about all of our new talent and our new coach. The couple of things I have learned this preseason are this, Al Saunders is not going to give me a hint of what we will run on 9-11 and our new offensive talents aren't going to shine until 9-11.

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There is no need to be completely worried. I keep hearing about "vanilla" and "2%" but we got whooped saturday in one on one situations. I know they were trying to look at the offensive line as individuals and see what the could do in space and well they failed miserably everyone of them. Randy Thomas, Casey Rabach, and Dockery could not stop the middle blitzers for nothing. Now the good news is this will be fixed in 2 ways, one Bugel will not put up with that type of play and secondly they will be able to work together and pick those blitzers up. They were trying to see what they could do on an island all alone that is very hard to do as a offensive lineman. The tackles were horrible as well and Jansen got plum run over, this area should be a little more of a concern cause the tackles are alot of times left alone on an island, but you never saw a Tight End or Running back assist with the tackles which they normally do even if it is a shiver push. The tackles had to do it all on there own again a daunting task that will not happen during the regular season. Brunell did not throw to well but that was hard from the bottom of the pile he was consistantly under but he did look to have still some life in those feet of his which is good because that is how he makes plays.

The Defense well they worried me alot more again I know it was One on One type of stuff but our secondary looked very pedistrian. Kenny Wright could cover a bed if he was a blanket, we need to find someone else to back up springs ( I think Rumph should eventually take over that spot he looked okay from what little I saw of him) if not we are in trouble. I was so amped about the signing of Archealeta, i thought him and Taylor back there, here comes the pain but dang he is slow and could not keep up with there tight ends, and in this division he is going against tight ends like Shockey, Smith, and Witten he and our linebackers better figure a way to stick those tight ends. As great as Sean Taylor is he needs to stop looking into the backfield and watch the ball he got caught a few times peaking into the backfield and got burnt that is a rookie type of mistake not something he should be doing. I know he wants to stuff the run but dang gotta stop looking in the backfield and start following the ball, Archuelata does this also and I think that is why he was getting burnt by the tight ends. Still a scarey tandum but I guarantee Coughlin, Parcells, and Reid saw that and will test them with play action and use of there tight ends.

You can say this is preaseason or vanilla offense and defense but a good bit of these mistakes are things you teach kids in high school not to do and need to be fixed. There is no reason to panic just yet but Someobody needs to step up and lead this team and hold individuals accountable. There are still to many mental errors. But I truley beleive they will fix this there are to many great athletes on this team, and to much pride to let this go on. I know we wont see much of the startes Thursday but I do beleive what you do see will be a lot different and lot more crisp.

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No worries. It's preseason. We're always "bad" in the preseason.

We were 1-3 last year and were outscored 88-64...and were a few points from playing in the championship game. :)

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[QUOTE=mooby;208923]The hammer is in my hand ready to break the glass. We looked horrible last night. Offense didn't do shit, defense didn't do shit, backup defense didn't do shit, nobody did shit. It's one thing to say it was just one game, but this has been happening the whole preseason. Our starting offense hasn't even scored a touchdown yet. We've looked bad across the board. I still have a little hope that things are gonna change one the regular season starts. It's just that this team hasn't shown me anything to believe that might happen.[/QUOTE]

Nuff said! At least last year we did have 64 points. I trust Gibbs will right the ship but even He seems a little concerned. Thank god we have a pretty easy start to the season.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;209148]

However, a few things to note. Raise your left hand if you recall at the end of 2004 and a 6-10 record when a whole bunch of people here were screaming "Gibbs has lost it, the game's passed him by." Now raise your right if you recall people panicking when Coles said he wanted out, and then we lost Pierce and Smoot on top of that. Now stand on your right foot if you recall the mass hysteria when Gibbs insisted that we hadn't seen the last of Brunell. Now hop on your foot if you remember the sheer devastation that engulfed much of this board when we lost three in a row last year including a pathetic loss to the Raiders that left us at 5-6. All hope was lost then remember?

By now most of you should be jumping up and down with your hands high in the air. But what ended up happening last year? 10-6 with a playoff win. Point is, actually I don't know what the point is, just that it seems there are way too many sky is falling attitudes.

What I've always felts separates Gibbs from other coaches is his ability to finish strong. There are few, if any, coaches in the history of the NFL that have his December record. What that tells me is that so long as the Redskins stay in contention through the first 8 or 10 games, they're in good position to separate themselves from the rest of the pack down the stretch.

So no, I'm not worried.[/QUOTE]

^^^^ co-sign

I'm not even really going to worry if our offense struggles the first few games of pre-season... it's a new system and we are basically going to be leaning on the D for a while until everyone is comfortable with the scheme. In addition to primarily evaluating fringe players, I have an inkling our veteran coaching staff wants to make sure our players don't start believing the hype before the season starts... These past few games (while meaning absolutely nothing in the standings) should keep their heads level.

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The glass has been broken, the key is in the ignition, just waiting for the word to hit it -- Our first string offense has not scored a point in preseason. I understand that we do not want to unveil the offense but you have got to have some success to build on. That's not my biggest worry. The first string defense has been toasted with play action fakes, end reverses and flea flickers. Adam Archuleta could not cover my grandmother. He is a defensive liability. There were a lot of posts of people being excited Arch was picked up by the Redskins. I was saying -- NNNNOOOOOOOOO!!! I live in St. Louis and by default have to see too many Rams games and I can tell you, Arch can't cover. His only ability is to blitz, thats why the Rams let him go. Now the Skins are stuck with him because they overpaid the bum. Should have paid that money to Ryan Clark. Big mistake. Brady showed how to expose Arch's weakness. We will see it again.

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not worried, but i'm pretty sure we'll get off to a slow start. hopefully our D bails us out and the skins pick up steam instead of degenerating.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop;209423]^^^^ co-sign

I'm not even really going to worry if our offense struggles the first few games of pre-season... [B]it's a new system [/B]and we are basically going to be leaning on the D for a while until everyone is comfortable with the scheme. In addition to primarily evaluating fringe players, I have an inkling our veteran coaching staff wants to make sure our players don't start believing the hype before the season starts... These past few games (while meaning absolutely nothing in the standings) should keep their heads level.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, we keep hearing this (the bolded phrase) but yet, they're running "vanilla" schemes, the basic stuff that every offense runs -- including Gibbs' from just last year -- and having lots of trouble executing it.

You can't claim that "they're learning a new system" and cry that the coaches are calling plays that are "simple," and "too vanilla."

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[quote=Bushead;208975]Every superbowl champ for the past 10 years has had very good preseasons....but of course, who cares? Its football and anything can happen. If the Redskins hadn't pulled of that winning streak last year who knows what we would be thinking about ourselves right now. The coaching staff has been doing nothing to help its players out; there haven't been any great schemes or trick plays or what not. Obviously they don't care that much or they would be running those flea flickers and reverses like the other teams have been doing.[/quote]

hmmm how many of the preseason games count towards the regular season.
so record during preseason means squat to me. like i have said all along have faith... only a few seem to believe that...

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Does anyone remember Steve Spurrier and his "fun and gun" offense in the pre-season his first season. Our preseason looked great and I believe we were 3-1. WHO CARES that we are losing right now. Joe Gibb's teams never do well in the preseason in terms of win-lose records, but they do produce during the year. Preseason is not about getting wins, it is about fine tuning your teams and seeing what fits and doesn't fit. Al Saunders told the press that he has used less than 2% of his masterpeice of offensive plays. We have hardly seen Randel-El in any plays. He will be a major part of our offense this year. So all of you Hogs and Hogettes out there, don't worry we will be O.K come Sept. 11.

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[QUOTE=Skins&PsuFAN4LIFE;209714]Does anyone remember Steve Spurrier and his "fun and gun" offense in the pre-season his first season. Our preseason looked great and I believe we were 3-1. WHO CARES that we are losing right now. Joe Gibb's teams never do well in the preseason in terms of win-lose records, but they do produce during the year. Preseason is not about getting wins, it is about fine tuning your teams and seeing what fits and doesn't fit. Al Saunders told the press that he has used less than 2% of his masterpeice of offensive plays. We have hardly seen Randel-El in any plays. He will be a major part of our offense this year. So all of you Hogs and Hogettes out there, don't worry we will be O.K come Sept. 11.[/QUOTE]

You're right. It's not whether you win or lose in preseason, it's how you look. If they're losing 28-24, or 17-16, and the offense is moving down the field in some sort of cohesion; converting a third down here and there; getting a long, time consuming drive; but falling just short in some way, you wouldn't hear the alarms going off here at the Warpath.

The problem is, we have seen NONE of what I just described. Joe Gibbs even said at one point that it looks like a lack of drive, that some players are expecting the playoff run last season to buy them success this season. That says a lot. It speaks more to a problem mentally, on a subconscious level -- about an eerie feel to a team that looks completely out of focus.

But hey -- don't worry! All they have to do is flip a switch around 8pm on September 11th, and everything will be just fine!

...Right?

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[quote=Beemnseven;209758]But hey -- don't worry! All they have to do is flip a switch around 8pm on September 11th, and everything will be just fine![/quote]

Exactly.

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i dont recall espn looking so much into preaseason as they are right now. kinda annoying. its freaking pre-season! freak out if we lose v minnesota bad, not if we lose in pre season