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[quote=Big C;207375]betts has to get traded now, no question[/quote]

This is a post from Extremems Skins. Best post I've read yet about the RB's.

I hope the mods forgive me for starting another thread discussing the Duckett trade, but this thread isn't about the trade itself as much as the staff that made it and why they did.

As fans, we identify with players. We root for our favorite players, we buy their jerseys, and we name ourselves after them on websites like ES. Fans love underdogs. I always identify with underdogs and pull for them. When roster moves affect our favorite players, we take it personally. The players of course take it personally, and we identify with the players, so we take it personally too. When Ramsey got benched for Brunell, we groaned. Many extremers took it much further than that, calling Gibbs a liar, and saying that Ramsey got screwed. Ramsey was hugely popular in here. He was a class act, he was an underdog that we all pulled for. Uhfortunately though, he didn't perform and struggled with the mental aspects of the game, and Gibbs saw it. Gibbs went with his well honed instincts and it paid off. Ramsey meanwhile is with the Jets, and he's still not performing.

Fast forward a year, and more of the same type of roster moves are happening. Williams and Gibbs sent Lavar on his way, and once again extreme skins was divided. Lavar was never really an underdog, but he was definitely another fan favorite. Lavar goes to New York, and he still can't stay on the field. Chris Clemons gets hurt again, and he's cut. Clemons was another fan favorite and an underdog. Chris also couldn't stay on the field though and now he's gone. Betts is another guy us fans have been pulling for, but like Clemons and Lavar, he hasn't been able to stay on the field. See a pattern here?

Going back a couple of weeks, after Clemons got cut, Williams said in an interview with the Post, [I]"There are two 'As' you have to have if you want to play for me: accountability and availability. Chris suffered from the second one. He was never able to stay on the field."[/I] Take a minute and let that quote sink in b/c it really states what this staff is all about. If you want to play for the Skins, you have to perform, and you have to be able to stay healthy, it doesn't matter who you are, how much you are paid, or when you were drafted.

No look at the preseason. The mediots have been predicting a Superbowl run for the Skins, and they come out flat in the preseason, and put in a very poor effort against the Jets. The team turns to Betts and Rock for a spark and really get nothing. Maybe the blocking in front of them wasn't great, but neither guy looked like they were running hard to me. After the game, Gibbs was so mad he didn't even wait for the media to be ready be to send a message to the team, saying, [I]"I thought we would get a great effort and play extremely hard," Gibbs said in explaining his anger Saturday night. "We're coming home and I talked about it, and we play a game like that. So it does a number of things to you. You get upset about it and you get concerned about it, too, because there's no reason why you shouldn't play well there."
[/I]No doubt about it, Gibbs was pissed.

Gibbs goes out and gets himself a classic bruiser in Duckett. He says he's a great locker room and we'll just put him in there and see how it turns out. Message to Betts and Rock: you boys better step the hell up or you're gone.

Betts says he doesn't understand, and Rock calls it a slap in the face. Sorry, but you've got it backwards guys, as do many fans who identify with you. You have to perform and stay healthy to be on this team. Gibbs is committed to winning. If his players can't deliver, he'll bring in players that can. Gibbs and his staff mean business, it's as simple as that.

Re: RB's are worried in Washington
 

Sounds like a plan to me.

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;207411]This is the greatest Team ever assembled. Did I mention we still have Ethan Albright.[/quote]


Were you being sarcastic? We have agreed on a few things the last couple of days Joe ....but we had some great teams in the 80s and a 1991-92 superbowl team that was lights out. honestly I think that team of 1991 was the most dominant I have seen ( I'm only 28 so I was very young for the '82 to remember ). The 1991 team defense took how many games for someone to score on us? The Offense was so dominant as well. I don't know what cam over Mark Rypien that year but he was as great a quaterback as we could as for. We never saw itr again, but he was great for one year. Anyway just my two cents. I know I'm way off topic as well.

Re: RB's are worried in Washington
 

I think you should lose points copying and pasting from ES.

I'm disappointed in you. :(

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[quote=Schneed10;207566]Exactly.

Rock will be kept for teams, Duckett for goal lines, and Betts for workhorse insurance on Portis.[/quote]

I agree... end of the year sign 1 .. also I heard Betts wants starter money and wanted to test the market after this year.

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Exactly. So he shouldn't have any REASON to bitch.

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[quote=Mattyk72;207574]I think you should lose points copying and pasting from ES.

I'm disappointed in you. :([/quote]

WHY??? It's a great post. I gave the guy credit! I didn't post it is "my" post!

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[quote=hesscl34;207599]WHY??? It's a great post. I gave the guy credit! I didn't post it is "my" post![/quote]

I'm just kidding. It's ok if you want to repost from "over there".

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You usually don't find all that much wisdom over there at ES, but that was an exception, a really good post.

Gibbs has always said he'll do whatever it takes to improve the team. He'll trade away draft picks, demote himself from playcalling, and cut underperforming fan favorites.

All in the interests of getting better as a team.

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[quote=Mattyk72;207601]I'm just kidding. It's ok if you want to repost from "over there".[/quote]

They have some great posts on there every once and awhile.

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Bottom line is that Duckett makes this team better. Why would Rock and Ladell complain if they were secure in their roles and were really stepping up? Do your job, get after it, TAKE THE POSITION AND MAKE IT YOUR OWN!!! I agree with the ES poster here. Duckett was a NEED. When he is bulldozing his way in from the 6 yard line, everyone here will be cheering him on. I hope he wears #39!

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They should cut the price of Diesel fuel in half for DC residents to comemorate this trade for today.

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[quote=hesscl34;207614]They have some great posts on there every once and awhile.[/quote]

Yeah if you can wade through all the fair-weather bandwagoners. There are a few posters that I look for in general. The rest is usually a steaming turd.

He was a #2 back in ATL, but better than our backups
 

He was the #2 RB in ATL, he comes here and is known to be much better than our #2 and 3 RBs. That says we didn't have much behind portis.

Well boo fricken hoo, betts and rock, our backups are upset because they are deeper BACKups...possibly bad for team chemistry and this and that...blah blah blah. Betts and Rock are upset because we brought in a #2 back from another team and they know he is better than them. They know this means thier mediocre talent is going to be sent to another team or burried deep in the depth chart only to come out sparringly.

The only chemistry it hurts is how content Betts and Rock were with being handed #2 and 3 in the depth chart because the young guys couldn't stop screwing up. Its not that Betts and Rock did that well in camp/over the years, its that the new folks/other folks did that horrible. Is there a team in the league that Rock could contend for the starting job? Betts is better, and though there may be a few teams that he could compete for the starting job it would be far from a sure thing, he would have to do WELL.

Betts and Rock were content knowing they aren't that good but they will be on the roster and get playing time because they were it behind portis and we had nothing else.

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O yeah, and portis wasn't exactly happy about it. He is quoted as saying that he's a big tough back thats a bruiser as well as being fast, that he's a complete back.

There is a difference between being 205-210 and willing to hit as hard as you can, and having the balance to take shots and fight for yards....and being 50 pounds heavier at 255 and knowing when you take a shot you can fight a few yards, AND have your momentum give you a few more yards. Portis impressed the hell outta me last year with his willingness and ability to be physical, but size is size. Heart (and Portis has more than most in the NFL) and will are what make Portis SO good after contact, but it just can't make up for the bulk TJ brings.

Besides, once Portis realizes he'll be getting 20+ carries a game, that TJ will be getting 10 or so, that TJ's carries will make his carries more effective(affective?), that he can be 100% in the 4th because he's had help beating on the other team's defense, and that TJ will only help him get better stats(and I seriously doubt fewer TDs), Portis will be happy to have TJ in D.C.

I think...
-portis will NOT lose any TD's because of TJ compared to last year
-because we score MANY more TDs this year
-many of those risky goal line passes to big recievers will go to TJ instead of recievers, not taking from portis
-portis will have more TDs and will be in there plenty near the goal line this year, it won't be ONLY TJ ON THE FIELD WHEN INSIDE THE 10yd LINE.

i'm done with other RB reactions now. Basically, 2 were upset because they know they weren't good enough but were given the 2 and 3 positions because there was no one else and that portis was upset because he didn't want to lose TDs coming from short and goal situations. Portis will be happy with TJ, I for one don't care how Betts and Rock cope with TJ coming to town. They need to fight for their spots, not get it by default.

***the past 2 posts are my opinion, I will discuss opinion/point of view questions/comments that are opposite my own, but will not discuss posts/comments made as if the posters opinion is fact and other opinions are wrong. I read this forum daily (hardly ever post) and constantly see folks ripping other folks because of opinions. Numbers from last year and that type of thing can be wrong, but what someone thinks will happen is not wrong, and they should not be talked down to/insulted because of their thoughts/opinions.***

geez...I always start out with one thought I want to post real quick and end up with a fricken essay. WAY too many thoughts/words from a mind as shallow as mine.

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Ahh, you dumbass. :D

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;207438]There isnt a hole on this team.
[/quote]

You're forgetting about kicker and punter. Other than that, we're awesome everywhere. :)

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portis is the guy that wanted edge to come to DC and also stated he's fine with getting 10 carries a game. so why's he bitching now? right now he's hurt and the ground game sucks, and that's that.

seriously. duckett >>>>>>> betts. I still don't see the logic behind a 3rd rounder for a rent-a-player, but the talent is there.

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[quote=That Guy;207838]portis is the guy that wanted edge to come to DC and also stated he's fine with getting 10 carries a game. so why's he bitching now? right now he's hurt and the ground game sucks, and that's that.

seriously. duckett >>>>>>> betts. I still don't see the logic behind a 3rd rounder for a rent-a-player, but the talent is there.[/quote]


I agree about the 3 rounder for 1 year...Makes me wonder if gibbs and crew plan on putting the charm on Duck and buttering him up to sign a new deal/extension before the season starts/early in the season this year.

The other thing I wonder about is if they've already spoken with Duck's agent/Duck about what he wants in the future and plan on him being here for a while even though the current contract runs out soon.

Or they could expect that since the skins have great locker room chemistry, the best fans in the world, and are going to win the super bowl this year that he won't be able to help himself and will have to be a skin as long as they want him.

Or...

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Betts has been hurt this year, correction, every year. As much as Rock gets hyped on this site the coaches know that he is not a solution. Rock and Betts have had plenty of chances to win over the coaches and I don't think that either one of them has proven that the team can count on them for a long period of time. If they don't like the trade then step up and prove the coaches wrong.

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[quote=onebum;207856]
Or they could expect that since the skins have great locker room chemistry, the best fans in the world, and are going to win the super bowl this year that he won't be able to help himself and will have to be a skin as long as they want him.

Or...[/quote]

too bad winning a superbowl puts dollar signs in everyone's eyes and all the FAs tend to jet ASAP for big deals... after losing pierce, Gibbs and co. have done a good job keeping people off the FA market (lemar (before being named the starter) + rock got a 3 year deal, santana, el, etc all got 7 year deals, and so on).

Super Bowls become really expensive once the celebration dies down.

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[quote=That Guy;207862]too bad winning a superbowl puts dollar signs in everyone's eyes and all the FAs tend to jet ASAP for big deals... after losing pierce, Gibbs and co. have done a good job keeping people off the FA market (lemar (before being named the starter) + rock got a 3 year deal, santana, el, etc all got 7 year deals, and so on).

Super Bowls become really expensive once the celebration dies down.[/quote]



You are either being a silly billy or didn't realize the other part of my post. Because of the great fans and the incredible locker room chemistry, everyone who's contracts are up will sign for the veteran minumum...the incentive will be the $5,000 extra they are paid for each trip around redskins park giving snyder piggy back rides. Seriously, if they do win the big one and almost everyone on the team will have an article or 20 about how they are the player that had the most to do with the sucess of the redskins, why would any of them expect big money?

Also, speaking of superbowls, did you know that Jerome Bettis founded Detroit City? Did you know that no Steelers players from last year cared about football or winning? They only worked hard, sacrificed, struggled, studied, and willed their way to victory because they wanted Bettis to win a ring, the fact they got rings didn't matter to them, only Bettis' ring matters.

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Doesn't sound like this is going to be a big issue, the Post says that Betts was helping Duckett with plays yesterday.

I also think it's an advantage having Byner as the RB coach. He went through the same thing in '91 so he can relate to the guys that they'll all get their carries at some point.

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Duckett only needs one play: line up behind Sellars and run over/step on anyone not wearing Skins colors.