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[QUOTE=firstdown]Homeland Security was a result of 9/11 and was developed after 9/11.[/QUOTE]
Yeah the dept was made post 9/11. The agencies within though were all pre-exisiting though. There was no Homeland Security agency or dept before. I am sure that is totally Bush's fault.

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[quote=FRPLG]Yeah the dept was made post 9/11. The agencies within though were all pre-exisiting though. There was no Homeland Security agency or dept before. I am sure that is Bush's fault for sure.[/quote]

Thanks for the clarification. Yes, they pretty much took an alrady existing agency and put Tom Ridges' face on it and called it Homeland Security.

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[QUOTE=Buster]100% correct. New Orleans had been warned for 30 years their levies would not withstand a category 3 or more hurricane and didn't do a thing. The local city officials, ESPECIALLY Mr. Chocolate City Mayor Nagin requested millions of dollars all of the time to upgrade them and spent the money building casinos and blowing it on fun things. The Governor of LA was JUST as bad, very VERY corrupt.

Laws even state that the first response and main responsibility for preparation and evacuation lies with local government. FEMA has in their policies that local governments must be prepared to wait up to 48 hours before they can take over things after the storm. It's like that everywhere in the nation and only New Orleans is stupid enough to be completeley unprepared. Katrina hit MISSISSIPPI directly, not NO and you didn't see them blaming FEMA because they weren't ready. You didn't see them looting and shooting and blowing recovery funds on sex changes and porn. New Orleans is and was a very corrupt place and they've brought ALL of their troubles on themselves.

President Bush even called Nagin two days before the storm hit and said "Uhhh, are you going to do ANYTHING to get people out of the way?" as a reminder and unofficial suggestion. So what did Nagin do? NOTHING! He had hundreds of school buses that were flooded instead of on the road to get people out of the way of the flooding that the corrupt and irresponsible city officials caused by ignoring warnings and not fixing the levies for decades.

When people with the welfare mentality think the government should do EVERYTHING for them, they end up disappointed, as they SHOULD.[/QUOTE]

Perfectly stated.

It's the responsibility of the local government, not the Federal government, to take the first steps in responding to and preparing for such disasters. The local government in LA and New Orleans basically ignored all the warnings until it was too late, then tried to pin it on the Federal government.

Again, a complete inability for people to take responsibility for their actions. Even now the inability of the citizens to clean things up themselves even in minor ways is simply appalling. Everyone expects someone else to come and solve their problems.

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[QUOTE=Buster]100% correct. New Orleans had been warned for 30 years their levies would not withstand a category 3 or more hurricane and didn't do a thing. The local city officials, ESPECIALLY Mr. Chocolate City Mayor Nagin requested millions of dollars all of the time to upgrade them and spent the money building casinos and blowing it on fun things. The Governor of LA was JUST as bad, very VERY corrupt.

Laws even state that the first response and main responsibility for preparation and evacuation lies with local government. FEMA has in their policies that local governments must be prepared to wait up to 48 hours before they can take over things after the storm. It's like that everywhere in the nation and only New Orleans is stupid enough to be completeley unprepared. Katrina hit MISSISSIPPI directly, not New Orleans and you didn't see them blaming FEMA because they weren't ready. You didn't see them looting and shooting and blowing recovery funds on sex changes and porn. New Orleans is and was a very corrupt place and they've brought ALL of their troubles on themselves.

President Bush even called Nagin two days before the storm hit and said "Uhhh, are you going to do ANYTHING to get people out of the way?" as a reminder and unofficial suggestion. So what did Nagin do? NOTHING! He had hundreds of school buses that were flooded instead of on the road to get people out of the way of the flooding that the corrupt and irresponsible city officials caused by ignoring warnings and not fixing the levies for decades.

When people with the welfare mentality think the government should do EVERYTHING for them, they end up disappointed, as they SHOULD.[/QUOTE]
You're crazy man! You and your not blaming everything on Dubya. You have clearly lost it. You must be a card carrying Bushite.

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[quote=12thMan]Thanks for the clarification. Yes, they pretty much took an alrady existing agency and put Tom Ridges' face on it and called it Homeland Security.[/quote]
Actually, the DHS provided an organizational link between all of the agencies which got rid of the wall that Jamie Gorelick put up between the agencies in the Clinton years that prevented the agencies from sharing information. If they had been working together BEFORE 09-11, we could've prevented it by piecing all of their data together.

The DHS is a great thing, and very necessary. Notice how many terrorism plots we've foiled since 09-11...a LOT of them, most unreported by the media.

L.A. Airport for one, would've been blown to smitherines.

Yep, Bush's fault.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Yeah the dept was made post 9/11. The agencies within though were all pre-exisiting though. There was no Homeland Security agency or dept before. I am sure that is totally Bush's fault.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the pieces that now make up DHS were formed from chunks of 22 other government agencies. They weren't operating on their own.

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[quote=mheisig]Perfectly stated.

It's the responsibility of the local government, not the Federal government, to take the first steps in responding to and preparing for such disasters. The local government in LA and New Orleans basically ignored all the warnings until it was too late, then tried to pin it on the Federal government.

Again, a complete inability for people to take responsibility for their actions. Even now the inability of the citizens to clean things up themselves even in minor ways is simply appalling. Everyone expects someone else to come and solve their problems.[/quote]You know they found a survey of the New Orleans people about who would leave if a hurricane of a certain size was going to hit. I think something like 75% said they would not leave and ride out the hurricane. A hurricane does not realy bother me but one of that size and living below sea level I would have benn out of there.

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[quote=Buster]

The DHS is a great thing, and very necessary. Notice how many terrorism plots we've foiled since 09-11...a LOT of them, most unreported by the media.

L.A. Airport for one, would've been blown to smitherines.

Yep, Bush's fault.[/quote]

Amazing how real [good] news doesn't get aired, isn't it?

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[QUOTE=12thMan]Thanks for the clarification. Yes, they pretty much took an alrady existing agency and put Tom Ridges' face on it and called it Homeland Security.[/QUOTE]
They took 22 different agencies and tried to have them coordinate efforts. Anyone who has ever been part of a corporate merger or departmental meger knows how well something like that goes. A bunch of independent agencies(in this case) trying to work together is bound to be a disaster. Especially when the agencies themselves(FEMA is the best example) barely function on their own.

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[quote=FRPLG]You're crazy man! You and your not blaming everything on Dubya. You have clearly lost it. You must be a card carrying Bushite.[/quote]

No, I just don't call him Hitler and blame EVERYTHING on him because I hate him and want him out of office.

If you look at facts instead of agendas, you'll see the blame for Katrina is spread all around but mostly the local and state government was at fault.

The position of President doesn't even have legal jurisdiction to take over responsibilities that state and the federal Constitution have outlined as state responsibilities. Even if President Bush had wanted to push them out of the way and take over, he couldn't legally. He did what he could by making suggestions to get people out, but that's really all he was allowed to do. Look at Florida, they have 20 hurricanes a year and aren't in chaos by one in New Orleans that didn't even hit them directly.

Sign up for a civics course somewhere, it might help you understand. You can't rely on media reports for facts.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]You know they found a survey of the New Orleans people about who would leave if a hurricane of a certain size was going to hit. I think something like 75% said they would not leave and ride out the hurricane. A hurricane does not realy bother me but one of that size and living below sea level I would have benn out of there.[/QUOTE]
My uncle lives 1 block from the French Quarter. He realized the need to evacuate on his own and got out a day or two before Katrina hit. Most of his junk was destroyed, but he thought about it enough to save himself.

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[quote=cpayne5]Amazing how real [good] news doesn't get aired, isn't it?[/quote]

Well, if a story doesn't fit the media's agenda which is now to hurt the President and therefore the nation...they ignore it.

That's why we're not hearing all of the success stories from Iraq like little girls going to school for the first time, how they have better power and utilities and hospitals after the war than they EVER did under Saddam, how people go into the streets to hug and thank our troops, how people aren't being killed and tortured because they walked by a palace at the wrong time, even how their police and military forces helped us kill Zarqawi. They're afraid that publishing good news (facts) will help the President in public opinion.

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back in 1998( or somewhere around there) pres. clinton tried to establish a federal office that is now known as homeland security. the republican run congress laughed in his face saying there is no need to waste anymore tax dollars on something we dont need. the rest, as they say, is history

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as far as iraq, there is still places that pre strike had electricity, that are still dark. my whole beef with iraq is lets take care of our own here in the us before we branch out to help others

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[QUOTE=Buster]No, I just don't call him Hitler and blame EVERYTHING on him because I hate him and want him out of office.

If you look at facts instead of agendas, you'll see the blame for Katrina is spread all around but mostly the local and state government was at fault.

The position of President doesn't even have legal jurisdiction to take over responsibilities that state and the federal Constitution have outlined as state responsibilities. Even if President Bush had wanted to push them out of the way and take over, he couldn't legally. He did what he could by making suggestions to get people out, but that's really all he was allowed to do. Look at Florida, they have 20 hurricanes a year and aren't in chaos by one in New Orleans that didn't even hit them directly.

Sign up for a civics course somewhere, it might help you understand. You can't rely on media reports for facts.[/QUOTE]
I was kidding. I agree with you. My sarcasm doesn't carry well over the net usually. I should know better.

On a different note in the same vein. Is it me or does someone basically throwing bombs about a subject totally rule the political landscape right now? I say this because That Guy, who isn't here right now but I hope he comes back and participates ome more, basically is obviously really anti-Bush. Which most of us can understand. Things are screwded up everywhere and blame lays with him on some. But when people make statements followed by logical and reasonable rebuttals and the original person making the statements justs yells and screams about it don't they invalidate themselves? That Guy come back and continue this!

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[QUOTE=dmek25]back in 1998( or somewhere around there) pres. clinton tried to establish a federal office that is now known as homeland security. the republican run congress laughed in his face saying there is no need to waste anymore tax dollars on something we dont need. the rest, as they say, is history[/QUOTE]
Clinton was also the President who wouldn't let the CIA or NSA share information with the FBI about a terrorist if they had evidence in hand that would stop something catostrophic. They just had to sit back and let it happen. Their hands where tied. I wonder how well his DHS would have worked.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]I was kidding. I agree with you. My sarcasm doesn't carry well over the net usually. I should know better.

On a different note in the same vein. Is it me or does someone basically throwing bombs about a subject totally rule the political landscape right now? I say this because That Guy, who isn't here right now but I hope he comes back and participates ome more, basically is obviously really anti-Bush. Which most of us can understand. Things are screwded up everywhere and blame lays with him on some. But when people make statements followed by logical and reasonable rebuttals and the original person making the statements justs yells and screams about it don't they invalidate themselves? That Guy come back and continue this![/QUOTE]
You forgot to set your sarcasm bit.

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[quote=cpayne5]My uncle lives 1 block from the French Quarter. He realized the need to evacuate on his own and got out a day or two before Katrina hit. Most of his junk was destroyed, but he thought about it enough to save himself.[/quote]

That's great that he had the common sense that most people there didn't. :)

Really, the hurricane passed by and it didn't do much damage at all, it was the levies breaking afterwards that caused pretty much all of the damage. They'd be warned for decades and they didn't even have the sense to know that Mother Nature always wins.

I feel sorry for the older people who wanted to leave but the Mayor didn't want to start the buses for some unknown reason, but most of the people who stayed were just playing Russian Roulette with their life.

It's a party town. You can't expect responsible people to live there for the most part. Look how they had their Mardi Gras boobie party a few months later when they could've been spending the funding on cleanup and getting people back into their homes. Personally, I don't think they should waste the money to rebuild the city, it will STILL be in a position below sea level that will leave it vulnerable to being flushed again. It's just NOT a place to build a city and since all of the port businesses have been leaving for years anyways, it's no longer useful for the purpose that it was built for in that toilet bowl-like position.

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[QUOTE=dmek25]as far as iraq, there is still places that pre strike had electricity, that are still dark. my whole beef with iraq is lets take care of our own here in the us before we branch out to help others[/QUOTE]
Isolationist?

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]I was kidding. I agree with you. My sarcasm doesn't carry well over the net usually. I should know better.

On a different note in the same vein. Is it me or does someone basically throwing bombs about a subject totally rule the political landscape right now? I say this because That Guy, who isn't here right now but I hope he comes back and participates ome more, basically is obviously really anti-Bush. Which most of us can understand. Things are screwded up everywhere and blame lays with him on some. [B]But when people make statements followed by logical and reasonable rebuttals and the original person making the statements justs yells and screams about it don't they invalidate themselves?[/B] That Guy come back and continue this![/QUOTE]

You would think so...

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[quote=FRPLG]I was kidding. I agree with you. My sarcasm doesn't carry well over the net usually. I should know better.

On a different note in the same vein. Is it me or does someone basically throwing bombs about a subject totally rule the political landscape right now? I say this because That Guy, who isn't here right now but I hope he comes back and participates ome more, basically is obviously really anti-Bush. Which most of us can understand. Things are screwded up everywhere and blame lays with him on some. But when people make statements followed by logical and reasonable rebuttals and the original person making the statements justs yells and screams about it don't they invalidate themselves? That Guy come back and continue this![/quote]

We should have an official sarcasm font color or something. Sorry about that, I'm just a little edgy with the people who hate Bush but can't tell you why with actual facts. They're everywhere. They never use facts, they only argue with emotions. They'll even hope for bad news for the nation because they hate a single man so much. It's the COOL thing to do according to Hollywood scumbags and MTV, but thankfully MOST of them aren't old enough to vote and if they are...are too lazy to leave their computers to do so.

Yeah, like I said, there's a LOT of blame to go around about Katrina, but to try to place it on any single person or even agency if just stupid.

Hey, I heard sirens go by...I hope Bush and his cronies are responding NOW. If someone is sick, it's HIS fault if they die.

See how stupid that mindset is? He can't be everywhere all of the time and really, he isn't supposed to be. That's why we have state and even local governments...for LOCAL issues.

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[quote=dmek25]back in 1998( or somewhere around there) pres. clinton tried to establish a federal office that is now known as homeland security. the republican run congress laughed in his face saying there is no need to waste anymore tax dollars on something we dont need. the rest, as they say, is history[/quote]Do you have any link to this or know what the bills number or name was. The only reason I ask is because I have never heard of this and with all the mud slinging and blamming after 9/11 I think that we would have herd of this over and over again.

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[quote=cpayne5]Isolationist?[/quote]

Yep.


We're the world's superpower. With the power comes responsibility whether you like it or not. Hussein was on his way to being the next Hitler. He had already killed about half a million people for no good reason at all.

Also, despite what you might've heard on the news, al Qaeda WAS in Iraq before us. Qusay Hussein (the now dead son who liked raping women in front of families and chopping off arms) offered Zarqawi medical aid when he was injured in some little Jihad battle in Afghanistan. Between the UN's Oil-for-Food program that gave Hussein cash "for food" in exchange for oil, which Saddam used on WEAPONS (regular and chemical)...along with their relationship with terrorists who had vowed to kill all Americans...we needed to put an end to it all before they did something to make 09-11 look like an insect bite. We have satellite images of WMDs being moved, probably to Syria, before we went in. If we didn't have to follow UN "let's warn them for 12 years and play nice" tactics, he wouldn't have had time to move them out. Saddam buried his fighter jets for crying out loud, which we found...so what's to say he couldn't bury a few little nuke warheads too? We've also found chemical weapons labs that went unreported. We WILL find the rest of the WMDs but at least the madman is out of power and won't be killing women and children or supplying terrorists with weapons any more.

We tried to ignore the war that was started against us in 1993 for WAY too long. Terrorists were targeting Americans all over the world all of the time, from the USS Cole bombing, to several embassy bombings, night club and hotel bombings, the WTC in 1995 and 2001, the Pentagon...who knows what would be next.

Ignoring them WON'T make them go away. Bill Clinton taught us that lesson.

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[quote=firstdown]Do you have any link to this or know what the bills number or name was. The only reason I ask is because I have never heard of this and with all the mud slinging and blamming after 9/11 I think that we would have herd of this over and over again.[/quote]

All he would've had to do was fire Gorelick. She prevented data sharing between the agencies. The fact that she was on that 09-11 Commission instead of being investigated BY them was a joke.

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[quote=Buster]We should have an official sarcasm font color or something. Sorry about that, I'm just a little edgy with the people who hate Bush but can't tell you why with actual facts. They're everywhere. They never use facts, they only argue with emotions. They'll even hope for bad news for the nation because they hate a single man so much. It's the COOL thing to do according to Hollywood scumbags and MTV, but thankfully MOST of them aren't old enough to vote and if they are...are too lazy to leave their computers to do so.

Yeah, like I said, there's a LOT of blame to go around about Katrina, but to try to place it on any single person or even agency if just stupid.

Hey, I heard sirens go by...I hope Bush and his cronies are responding NOW. If someone is sick, it's HIS fault if they die.

See how stupid that mindset is? He can't be everywhere all of the time and really, he isn't supposed to be. That's why we have state and even local governments...for LOCAL issues.[/quote]I liked now in the last election MTV and some other groups did all this work to get out the young vote. They talked about how the younger generation was going to show up in full force and become a factor in the elections. After the election there was a drop in the younger generations voting. I think its funny because all those MTV people thought they where doing something but its sad that more people do not get out and vote.

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[quote=firstdown]I liked now in the last election MTV and some other groups did all this work to get out the young vote. They talked about how the younger generation was going to show up in full force and become a factor in the elections. After the election there was a drop in the younger generations voting. I think its funny because all those MTV people thought they where doing something but its sad that more people do not get out and vote.[/quote]

I remember that. That was hilarious.

Oh, to get back on topic...sure, I could say FEMA sucks. Any bureaucratic agency does...it doesn't make them evil though. It's just a fact of life.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]I liked now in the last election MTV and some other groups did all this work to get out the young vote. They talked about how the younger generation was going to show up in full force and become a factor in the elections. After the election there was a drop in the younger generations voting. I think its funny because all those MTV people thought they where doing something but its sad that more people do not get out and vote.[/QUOTE]
I'm young and I voted. Probably not how MTV wanted me to, though.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]I liked now in the last election MTV and some other groups did all this work to get out the young vote. They talked about how the younger generation was going to show up in full force and become a factor in the elections. After the election there was a drop in the younger generations voting. I think its funny because all those MTV people thought they where doing something but its sad that more people do not get out and vote.[/QUOTE]

Well "P Diddy" said to "Vote or Die," which MUST mean that's it's very important for me as a young person to vo...oh look! Shiny things on MySpace!

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[quote=cpayne5]I'm young and I voted. Probably not how MTV wanted me to, though.[/quote]I was not knocking young voters I was knocking MTV. Its great that you take the time to go out in vote. If you vote you can complain if you don't vote shut up.

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Look I voted for Bush. I voted for Bush at the time because I believed in him. I voted for Bush because I agree with the basic ideals of conservatism (which apparently aren't obeserved by our elected conservatives. that's a whole other argument). I now have little appreciation for him and the job he has done on many things but I also think he gets a totally raw deal on a lot of things. The political temperature in this country is now one of attack and destroy. If a democrat had been in power for the last 2 terms he would have been attacked on whatever issues came about in the same way Bush has been. It is just terrible the way our political process has been hijacked by spcieal issuers who know how advance their agendas regardless of tactic and truth. The truth is that Bush has done a poor job in some ways and a great job in some ways. Just like every president he has success and failures. I have no problem pointing out his failures. I could make a list. But I also try to be even handed and objective about analyzing and realize that this situation in NO isn't "HIS" fault. It is the collective fault of a very large number of people including him.

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i agree with that statement.although the large part of blame will always lie with the commander and chief. its just like if the redskins really stink it up, coach gibbs bares the brunt of why? is it justified? sometimes yes, sometimes no. we will agree to disagree on pres bush and his croonies are doing a good job.

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[quote=FRPLG]I was kidding. I agree with you. My sarcasm doesn't carry well over the net usually. I should know better.

On a different note in the same vein. Is it me or does someone basically throwing bombs about a subject totally rule the political landscape right now? I say this because That Guy, who isn't here right now but I hope he comes back and participates ome more, basically is obviously really anti-Bush. Which most of us can understand. Things are screwded up everywhere and blame lays with him on some. But when people make statements followed by logical and reasonable rebuttals and the original person making the statements justs yells and screams about it don't they invalidate themselves? That Guy come back and continue this![/quote]

hate to tell you i tend to vote republican :P and I only blamed bush for appointing idiots, yet you somehow misconstrue everything into strawmen and infer lots of things that aren't said or implied. there's no real reason to continue cause you're doing nothing but making up phantoms to argue against.

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[quote=FRPLG]Where did I rant on anything? YOU made a statement in reference to organizing a better evacuation. It implied that FEMA and or the fed should have done a better job in this regard. cpayne correctly pointed out that FEMA and the federal government isn't responsible for that. In fact they have no jurisdiction to do it at all in any way. Actually it would be illegal. That shows that on that subject you were uninformed. I made no comments about race or anything like that. YOU are the one cursing. YOU are the one over-reacting.[/quote]

wrong, it implied that a better job should have been done (period). I blamed the locals for being inept, but FEMA didn't help either. I think bush could have also done more like spend 10 minutes on national TV saying "this is going to be bad" or trying harder to convince the locals that an evacuation was really needed. I think bush should have had FEMA run by someone with a proper background. Maybe FEMA sucks, but if someone who actually does logistics an civil engineering for a living was in charge, at least a proper game plan could be made.

I also mentioned that if the locals are willing to do nothing, someone should step in, not based on legal doctrine but on common sense (like working harder to convince the locals if nothing else).

I can't see were all your arguements come from cause you're bashing me while not rebutting anything i've actually mentioned and instead ignoring it. Your responses make lots of rash and overreaching assumptions that just aren't true. sorry.

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Anyone else here imagining a meeting between Buster and Shane (old schoolers remember Shane)?

What I find a bit amusing is how a lot of people think it's something new, appointing people you're familiar with to high positions around you. I mean there's that story about how Lincoln appointed his "enemies" to his cabinet (Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer), but politics is a lot about connections and favors. Been that way long before W came along, and will be long after. You'd like to think that the best people are always chosen, but that's not necessarily always the case-and it's not always clear whose fault it is.

You know who doesn't appoint friends? TheWarpath.net baby, that's who. None of us mods really know each other all that well. A lot of us have never spoken to each other. Yet we run a tight ship...oiled by the blood of its members.

There's no cronyism here, no favoritism. We just get shit done....this message sponsored by the Warpath Mods '08 exploratory committee and the Ad Council

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[quote=TAFKAS]Anyone else here imagining a meeting between Buster and Shane (old schoolers remember Shane)?

What I find a bit amusing is how a lot of people think it's something new, appointing people you're familiar with to high positions around you. I mean there's that story about how Lincoln appointed his "enemies" to his cabinet (Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer), but politics is a lot about connections and favors. Been that way long before W came along, and will be long after. You'd like to think that the best people are always chosen, but that's not necessarily always the case-and it's not always clear whose fault it is.

You know who doesn't appoint friends? TheWarpath.net baby, that's who. None of us mods really know each other all that well. A lot of us have never spoken to each other. Yet we run a tight ship...oiled by the blood of its members.

There's no cronyism here, no favoritism. We just get shit done....this message sponsored by the Warpath Mods '08 exploratory committee and the Ad Council[/quote]

right, but appoint your engineering friends to head things like FEMA and your idiot friends to jobs like head ambassador to uganda.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]right, but appoint your engineering friends to head things like FEMA and your idiot friends to jobs like head ambassador to uganda.[/QUOTE]

I'm a quarter Ugandan and your lack of respect is downright insulting...ok I'm really not a quarter Ugandan

Anyway, I thought that Bush had hired someone else to be Director of FEMA, I forget who, and that man hired his best friend Mike Brown to be his Deputy. And eventually he just moved to director. Then Bush made it official.

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That Guy.

In this thread about FEMA you have said:

[quote]
I'd say the drastic mismanagement that got a lot of people killed unnecessarily was pretty extreme too, since, you know, their entire job is to prevent that.
[/quote]
This was a direct response to a statement about FEMA. FEMA had nothing to do with the evacuation or the deaths of "millions" of people. They just didn't as several others point out without rebuttal.

[quote]
or that they should have a civil engineer or logistics guy in charge of FEMA instead of some clueless crony.
[/quote]
This goes along the path of blaming FEMA for the actual deaths associated with the Hurricane. Unless of course you meant an engineer would have helped somehow manage the money doling out. I think you weren't meaning that though.


[quote]
FEMA needed to step in an over rule the idiot mayor who also had a huge hand in making a bad situation much worse
[/quote]
As stated by others and myself they have no legal authority to do this. This again shows that you thought FEMA should have tried to get people out when in fact they simply have no legal way to do so.

[quote]
someone qualified could have done better... like with 2 weeks of info from the local experts (levy workers and meteorologists) at least try to organize a real evacuation.
[/quote]
In the context of the converstaion I am pretty sure you were again referring to FEMA.

then i said:
[quote]
As cpayne said. If you have an opinion know ALL the facts and facets as best you can. Uninformed debate is worthless. The world runs on opinions so it is our job to have the right info to form them correctly. To me your statement shows a general lack of respect for Bush(understood given many OTHER issues) and a lack of knowledge on the subject. Blaming Bush or FEMA for the evacuation situation is like blaming Bush for the pothole in front of your house.
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Which was meant to say that your statements blaming things on FEMA and/or Bush for the lack of a solid evacuation showed a lack of understanding towards what the responsibilties of the various parties being discussed were. It also was meant to say that lack of knowledge on this one issue works subversively towards your point since it really undermines it greatly. Yes i did not specifically point out that I felt you had a lack of knowledge on this one point but I think when you have one huge gap of understanding on an issue it works to invalidate your entire opinion. How this was uncivil is completely beyond me. Sorry for thinking that you making statements that have no solid basis shows a lack of knowledge. It wasn't meant to infer you have no "f***ing clue" what you are talking about. In fact I am pretty sure I never said that.

Your response to this statement was out of line. It was immature and IT was the uncivil part of this thread. For someone with a long posting history here and a very good standing you should be able to see where you have gone down the wrong path in this thread.

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in other words fema is a government agency with absolutely no power? come on, if pres bush and fema wanted new orleans evacuated, it would have happened. im surprised that wewhite hasnt chimed in yet because i think if the same thing was going to occur in w's hometown, it probably would have been handled alittle differently

Re: Simply put, FEMA sucks!!
 

[QUOTE=dmek25]in other words fema is a government agency with absolutely no power? come on, if pres bush and fema wanted new orleans evacuated, it would have happened. im surprised that wewhite hasnt chimed in yet because i think if the same thing was going to occur in w's hometown, it probably would have been handled alittle differently[/QUOTE]
If the federal governement had evacuated New Orleans (against the wishes of both the mayor and the governor) and nothing catostrophic happened I can probably guarantee you that right we would be in the middle of the biggest Supreme Court battle this country has ever seen.

Re: Simply put, FEMA sucks!!
 

[QUOTE=dmek25]in other words fema is a government agency with absolutely no power? come on, if pres bush and fema wanted new orleans evacuated, it would have happened. im surprised that wewhite hasnt chimed in yet because i think if the same thing was going to occur in w's hometown, it probably would have been handled alittle differently[/QUOTE]
We have laws in this country that democrats love to scream and yell about when Bush does something that amounts to the same thing. When he and the administration start collecting phone call information (to protect us they say) it isn't ok but when NO and the local/state government won't evacuate a below sea-level city in the face of a catastrophic hurricane he is then uppose to break the law then? Sure Bush could have pulled some federal authority out of his ass and made it happened and then what? From now on it is the job of federal government to protect us from oursleves and our unwillingness to take care of ourselves? People died because they local governemt and state government didn't do THEIR JOB. Not because Bush didn't illegally do their job for them.