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[quote=itvnetop]ok... i don't think there's any more reason to waste time trying to defend bush... it's obvious that nothing's going to change some people's perception that he's not all that, no matter what. and there's probably nothing that's going to change the perception of some of us that he is all that... including not just fans, but texans fans (who are about to jump off bridges now) and about six gms that have made calls to the saints re: trade proposals right now. yeah, the "average fast running back" really garners that type of interest from professional talent evaluators.[/quote]
Ki-jana carter was a number one overall pick and he sucked

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[QUOTE=steveo395]Ki-jana carter was a number one overall pick and he sucked[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but Ki-Jana carter didn't have five teams trying to trade away their mothers to get him either...

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you would think they would atleast trade down. There is a reason they are the first pick though

The texans suck at life.

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Now watch him fall to 14 and the Eagles

but in all seriousness, seems like the Jets could use him. They need a successor to Curtis Martin don't they?

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[quote=steveo395]Bush is so overrated, hes just fast...i cant believe some people could compare him to barry sanders

idk if mario williams was worth the number one pick but he will help their team more than bush...D'brickashaw would have been the best pick for them

and domanick davis is a great running back...his stats arent [I]that[/I] great, but he's had a few injuries and he's been running behind the worst o-line in the league[/quote]
Wow,,what planet have u been living on,,Reggie Bush is Marshall Faulk and Ladanian in one body. No wonder the Texans have the 1st Pick in the draft they suck at drafting just like they suck at playing. Mario Williams in Texas equal another losing season...You gotta score to win

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Now watch him fall to 14 and the Eagles

but in all seriousness, seems like the Jets could use him. They need a successor to Curtis Martin don't they?[/QUOTE]

I'm sure the Jets are on the phone trying to get that pick. However, I think Saints fans would be just as upset as Texans fans if they were to pass on Bush in an effort to move down in the round.

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I'm a huge, huge, huge Barry Sanders fan. He was a blast to watch. But the Lions weren't exactly a model of playoff consistency when he was there. How much, if any, can be blamed on him I don't know but could the Lions have been better had they taken Derrick Thomas or Deion Sanders even?

Point is I think Reggie Bush is going to be a very exciting player but will he bring wins? Bush right now strikes me as a final piece to a puzzle then a building block.

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I cant believe the texans,you should hear the fans and the sportcasters on the radio here blasting the texans,I just saw a commercial for a local tv draft show,and they were hyping the reggie vs vince debate,which aint even happening now,99% of the people hear are already pissed off the texans aint taking vince,but have come to accept the bush pick,but this is fked up,now they are really pissed,I wonder if this is casserlys descision? he's on the next train out of town anyway,and none too soon,his drafts here have sucked and i dont want him coming back to the skins

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Bush is nothing more than an over rated Kevin Faulk. You saw it in the Rose Bowl. He is always trying to take the ball to the sidelines where LB's are great at defending in the NFL. I would venture to say that in a year or two he ends up as a WR where he will not be great. For anyone to waste a first round pick on him would be retarded. Now with that said I still do believe that he will be an impact player, but not in the traditional RB or WR positions. He is a scat back without question. He will make big plays on reverses and catches out of the back field, but by no means is he a full time running back or receiver.

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I dont know why everyone is so up in arms about this. Granted, I said from the second they were the #1 pick, that the Texans should have traded down, but I think it takes some balls to not pick Reggie Bush and I agree with Houstons decision to think about the team and where they can fill holes. They dont need to fill holes at running back. I think they are making the right decision in not picking a running back.

However....how did they not trade down??? They could have traded with the Jets at four and I'd be shocked if Mario Williams didn't fall to them there. So I think its a huge mistake on that front, as they defintley could have acquired alot more for that pick.

I like that they are not taking Bush, but I dont like how they went about it.

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Poor texans... they pass on the next tomlinson

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Picking my jaw up off the floor... Oh well, if he ends up with the Jets it helps my fantasy team, cause I have the first pick in the rookie draft of my dynasty league!

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Reggie Bush overrated? That's probably too harsh a word, plus, we don't know the answer to that yet. But can expectations be impossibly high for a player like him? Absolutely. Especially when the Texans don't have an offensive line that can block for him in the first place.

I don't have a problem with the signing. Finding a dominant defensive end is almost as hard as finding a franchise quarterback. But once you've found one, they're irreplaceable, and it does wonders for a defense.

I just don't know how much anyone could expect out of Reggie Bush, especially in Houston. It's kinda like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titantic.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I dont know why everyone is so up in arms about this. Granted, I said from the second they were the #1 pick, that the Texans should have traded down, but I think it takes some balls to not pick Reggie Bush and I agree with Houstons decision to think about the team and where they can fill holes. They dont need to fill holes at running back. I think they are making the right decision in not picking a running back.

However....how did they not trade down??? They could have traded with the Jets at four and I'd be shocked if Mario Williams didn't fall to them there. So I think its a huge mistake on that front, as they defintley could have acquired alot more for that pick.

I like that they are not taking Bush, but I dont like how they went about it.[/QUOTE]

I'm with you on this up to the point about Mario Williams falling to #4. I don't think there's anyway he'd make it past the Saints.

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[QUOTE=bertoskins]Poor texans... they pass on the next tomlinson[/QUOTE]

Well, where has Tomlinson taken the Chargers? Don't get me wrong, he's probably the best running back in the league right now, but that right there tells you that running backs are usually not the players that singlehandedly guide a team to the promised land.

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[quote=Beemnseven]Well, where has Tomlinson taken the Chargers? Don't get me wrong, he's probably the best running back in the league right now, but that right there tells you that running backs are usually not the players that singlehandedly guide a team to the promised land.[/quote]

Portis didnt do it for us. It takes a good line to make a good running bak great. ie Emmit Smith.

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If the Jets trade up to 2, select Bush, and the fans tear down the music hall...do they cancel the draft?

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[quote=GTripp0012]If the Jets trade up to 2, select Bush, and the fans tear down the music hall...do they cancel the draft?[/quote]

No, it then turns into a tailgate party featuring Tagliabue.

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If the Jets trade up to get Bush,, all hell will break loose in NY.
It will be called the Best Jets draft ever. A super running back in the Big Apple, sounds like a plan

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[quote=ChickenMonkey]If the Jets trade up to get Bush,, all hell will break loose in NY.
It will be called the Best Jets draft ever. A super running back in the Big Apple, sounds like a plan[/quote]

Obviously you are one of those people who think that Bush is actually a full time running back. I'm sorry!

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only the packers, raiders, and jets have talked to the saints about trading to #2 right now... i don't think anyone's given them a good enough offer though.

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[B]49ers | Saints asking price high for No. 2[/B]
Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:36:02 -0700
Dave Hutchinson, of the Star-Ledger, reports the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/32/nfl"]San Francisco 49ers[/URL] are trying to trade up with the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/25/nfl"]New Orleans Saints[/URL] to the No. 2 spot in the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/link/159"]NFL Draft[/URL], but the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/25/nfl"]Saints[/URL] asking price is high. The [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/25/nfl"]Saints[/URL] are asking the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/32/nfl"]49ers[/URL] for their No. 6 pick, plus the extra first-round pick they have at No. 22 and next season's first-round pick.

[B]Jets | Saints asking price high for No. 2[/B]
Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:35:35 -0700
Dave Hutchinson, of the Star-Ledger, reports the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/27/nfl"]New York Jets[/URL] are trying to trade up with the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/25/nfl"]New Orleans Saints[/URL] to the No. 2 spot in the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/link/159"]NFL Draft[/URL], but the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/25/nfl"]Saints[/URL] asking price is high. The [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/25/nfl"]Saints[/URL] are asking the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/27/nfl"]Jets[/URL] for one of two packages, according to an agent who represents one of the draft's top players: The Jets' pick at No. 4, plus their first-round selection at No. 29 and their first-round pick next season or the Jets' pick at No. 4, plus their first-round selection at No. 29, their second-round pick at No. 35 and their second-round pick next season.









three 1st round picks? holy crap, no thanks.

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I think the Jets would have to give me picks #4 and #29, as well as Vilma, in order to get high enough to get Reggie Bush. He's worth it. In light of this recent post by that guy, the saints are asking wayyy too much for Bush. That's not worth it. There's no way i believe Reggie Bush is worth three first rounders.

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[quote=mooby]I think the Jets would have to give me picks #4 and #29, as well as Vilma, in order to get high enough to get Reggie Bush. He's worth it.[/quote]

No he is not. Have you not read all that I have posted young grasshopper?

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The best thing about this entire debate is that nobody really knows for sure what Bush is going to do in the NFL. Will he be the next Barry Sanders or Ladanian? Who knows, but personally, I doubt it. Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen so much hype for a part-time college role-playing back. I certainly don't see him being an every-down back in the NFL.......so just how valuable is he really? The hype surrounding him and his success in college actually kind of reminds me of Peter Warrick.

And what about Mario Williams? Is he going to be the next Dwight Freeney/Julius Peppers, or the next Courtney Brown (God it hurts me to say that)? Nobody really knows. Personally, the limited action I've seen him in he's looked outstanding. Either way, I'd be willing to bet Mario Williams will play a higher percentage of snaps for the Texans than Reggie Bush would have.

Questioning the Texans on this move, however, I don't understand. As I see it, the Texans already have a very good, possibly great, starting running back. What they don't have is a pass-rush or a rock-solid LT.......and because of that, I've thought all along the Texans would be better served taking Williams or Ferguson (of course, it seems like they probably should have been able to trade down and still get their guy......not sure why that didn't happen).

Likewise, I think the Saints would be foolish taking Bush with Ferguson still there. If Duece is healthy, what do you need Bush for? The Saints have more pressing needs. If I were them, I'd trade down to 3 or 4 and take Brick and let the Jets or Titans have Bush (two teams that could actually use him....on a part-time basis of course).

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well, i don't agree with you that reggie bush isn't gonna be a full time starter, that's for sure lol. I think Reggie Bush is worth it, he is a gamebreaker, if he goes to a team that has someone else to take part of the load off his back, i say watch out. He could do the same thing Portis did in 2002 as a rookie.

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[quote=That Guy][B]49ers | Saints asking price high for No. 2[/B]
Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:36:02 -0700
Dave Hutchinson, of the Star-Ledger, reports the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/32/nfl"]San Francisco 49ers[/URL] are trying to trade up with the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/25/nfl"]New Orleans Saints[/URL] to the No. 2 spot in the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/link/159"]NFL Draft[/URL], but the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/25/nfl"]Saints[/URL] asking price is high. The [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/25/nfl"]Saints[/URL] are asking the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/32/nfl"]49ers[/URL] for their No. 6 pick, plus the extra first-round pick they have at No. 22 and next season's first-round pick.

[B]Jets | Saints asking price high for No. 2[/B]
Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:35:35 -0700
Dave Hutchinson, of the Star-Ledger, reports the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/27/nfl"]New York Jets[/URL] are trying to trade up with the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/25/nfl"]New Orleans Saints[/URL] to the No. 2 spot in the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/link/159"]NFL Draft[/URL], but the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/25/nfl"]Saints[/URL] asking price is high. The [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/25/nfl"]Saints[/URL] are asking the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/27/nfl"]Jets[/URL] for one of two packages, according to an agent who represents one of the draft's top players: The Jets' pick at No. 4, plus their first-round selection at No. 29 and their first-round pick next season or the Jets' pick at No. 4, plus their first-round selection at No. 29, their second-round pick at No. 35 and their second-round pick next season.

three 1st round picks? holy crap, no thanks.[/quote]

This tells me, without question, the Saints will be picking Bush. They might be willing to take the farm if some team is willing to sell it, but unless they lower that asking price, they don't really think anyone will trade them for it.

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[quote=mooby]well, i don't agree with you that reggie bush isn't gonna be a full time starter, that's for sure lol. [/quote]

Really? When has Bush ever been a full-time back? If he couldn't do it in college, how in the world is he going to hold up in the NFL?

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21]Really? When has Bush ever been a full-time back? If he couldn't do it in college, how in the world is he going to hold up in the NFL?[/quote]

lol i wasn't talking to you, i was talking to angryssg. And besides, you never know. I don't think Cadillac is going to have a long career in the nfl mainly because of how often he ran in college. Time will only tell how good Bush is. At this point, nobody knows.

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Bush is way over hyped and he is certainly not worth 3 first round picks. I'm not really a big fan of Williams either (weak competition) but if he can get pressure on a QB on a consistent basis he is worth picking over Bush. Running backs are a dime a dozen after all and they do tend to get hurt quite a bit.

Oh and he rejected 26 million guaranteed money before stepping on the field? What a stupid move. Call me crazy but I _THINK_ Williams and Bush will turnout to be busts.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]Really? When has Bush ever been a full-time back? If he couldn't do it in college, how in the world is he going to hold up in the NFL?[/QUOTE]

Just because he didn't doesn't me he couldn't.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]Questioning the Texans on this move, however, I don't understand. As I see it, the Texans already have a very good, possibly great, starting running back. What they don't have is a pass-rush or a rock-solid LT.......and because of that, I've thought all along the Texans would be better served taking Williams or Ferguson (of course, it seems like they probably should have been able to trade down and still get their guy......not sure why that didn't happen).[/QUOTE]

The Texans are a trainwreck of an organization, not a team poised to make a SB run, playoff run, or even a run for a .500 season.

The entire organization has a losing mentality from top to bottom. Look how many top, first-round draft picks this team has had and done jacksquat with.

It's just polishing a big ol' turd at this point to add someone like Reggie Bush.

The best DE in college in the past 10, 20 or 30 years isn't going to turn that craphole of a team around, unless he can singlehandedly stop the opposition and score a good 21-28 points a game. Himself of course, since no one else there can score.

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remember everyone thought eagles were crazy for picking mcnabb instead of ricky williams! i got a feeling the texans got the better end of this one

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bush is not built to carry the ball more than 25 times a game he is a warrick dunn type guy

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[quote=mheisig]The Texans are a trainwreck of an organization, not a team poised to make a SB run, playoff run, or even a run for a .500 season.

The entire organization has a losing mentality from top to bottom. Look how many top, first-round draft picks this team has had and done jacksquat with.

It's just polishing a big ol' turd at this point to add someone like Reggie Bush.

The best DE in college in the past 10, 20 or 30 years isn't going to turn that craphole of a team around, unless he can singlehandedly stop the opposition and score a good 21-28 points a game. Himself of course, since no one else there can score.[/quote]

:confused:

Sooooo, they should not draft anyone? I'm not sure what your point is here.

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Reggie Bush is not a every down RB. He reminds me of Brian Westbrook.