Re: Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning
 

[quote=mooby;1355873]Agreed on both counts.

We fuck up picking the wrong qb it will set this franchise back another 3-5 years.

Cred I agree, I'd love a name change. But it's not a priority. Whatever the name is I want people to put respect on it because we're a tough team to play.[/quote]

I love every draft, but this is definitely the most excited I've been about a draft in years. I will be surprised if we don't go QB, but I would be happy with Harrison, Fashanu, or Alt if we don't go QB. Picking at 2 or 3, there are so many options. We have to be a destination spot for GM/HC candidates this year. Money, picks, good ownership, really nothing more to ask for.

Re: Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning
 

[quote=mooby;1355873]Agreed on both counts.

[B]We fuck up picking the wrong qb it will set this franchise back another 3-5 years. [/B]

Cred I agree, I'd love a name change. But it's not a priority. Whatever the name is I want people to put respect on it because we're a tough team to play.[/quote]

not sure how it sets us back 3-5 years; it would set you back in that you are still in the QB hunt game

it think its more damaging to not consistently be trying to find your QB1

Re: Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning
 

[quote=mredskins;1355878]not sure how it sets us back 3-5 years; it would set you back in that you are still in the QB hunt game

it think its more damaging to not consistently be trying to find your QB1[/quote]

I think the set back part is if you sell the farm to trade up to No.1 , that would not seem to be such an issue now being at #2, but with such glaring weakness in the roster with many holes to fill if you send lots of draft picks in trade you can be in a deep hole if the QB doesn't work out. Look at Carolina.

But you are right, in the modern NFL you have to keep looking for a rookie QB1

Re: Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning
 

[quote=EdmundDorf;1355880]I think the set back part is if you sell the farm to trade up to No.1 , that would not seem to be such an issue now being at #2, but with such glaring weakness in the roster with many holes to fill if you send lots of draft picks in trade you can be in a deep hole if the QB doesn't work out. Look at Carolina.

But you are right, in the modern NFL you have to keep looking for a rookie QB1[/quote]

That would be a big warning. Do not trade up to #1 from #2!

Re: Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning
 

[quote=EdmundDorf;1355880]I think the set back part is if you sell the farm to trade up to No.1 , that would not seem to be such an issue now being at #2, but with such glaring weakness in the roster with many holes to fill if you send lots of draft picks in trade you can be in a deep hole if the QB doesn't work out. Look at Carolina.

But you are right, in the modern NFL you have to keep looking for a rookie QB1[/quote]

agree 100%

Re: Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning
 

SF blew it on Trey Lance, and they have still been able to field a high quality team. They got lucky with Purdy, and have competent individuals making personnel decisions though. That makes a difference.

That is also a perfect example though, of the "experts" not having it right. Trey Lance was highly touted, while Brock Purdy was an afterthought.

Re: Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning
 

[quote=mredskins;1355878]not sure how it sets us back 3-5 years; it would set you back in that you are still in the QB hunt game

it think its more damaging to not consistently be trying to find your QB1[/quote]

Depends how the qb plays - if he plays mediocre but flashes every now and then our coaching staff would be more inclined to give him more time to learn and grow. If he still sucks after year 2 or 3 then you press reset but depending on record Harris might not be inclined to let the staff pick a new qb knowing they already fucked it up once. Example - if we go 2-14 in the 3rd year with a new coaching staff it's highly unlikely they'd get a 4th year to fix it. The system is predicated on showing improvement every year. If we aren't in playoff contention by year 3 safe to say the staff and half the roster are goners. Boom - your franchise had a boatload of draft picks, a fresh staff/FO, and a top 3 pick to select a qb and they failed. Who you pick matters way more than where you pick. Who was the last top 2 qb to become a surefire HOFer?

Re: Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning
 

[quote=mredskins;1355878]not sure how it sets us back 3-5 years; it would set you back in that you are still in the QB hunt game

it think its more damaging to not consistently be trying to find your QB1[/quote]

Exactly!

Seems like some Warpathers have a fear of failure and use draft status as a crutch for poor play.

If I have to endure a season like this then I want a chance to get the golden ticket. Drafting a guy like CJ Stroud is the fastest way to turn around a franchise. The guy took the sorry ass Texans from 3 wins to 9 this season with a game to go. It's not all on CJ but he is the most critical piece to their success.
If we get the pick wrong, we will have another great draft pick to get it right.
Shouldn't take 3-5 seasons to know if we have a star or not.

Re: Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1355887]SF blew it on Trey Lance, and they have still been able to field a high quality team. They got lucky with Purdy, and have competent individuals making personnel decisions though. That makes a difference.

That is also a perfect example though, of the "experts" not having it right. Trey Lance was highly touted, while Brock Purdy was an afterthought.[/quote]

It's not just luck. Purdy walked into a pretty purdy situation, a team stocked with All-Pro's and a coaching staff who actually can turn Mr. Irrelevant into a Pro Bowl qb (suck an egg Josh McDaniels).

I'd go so far to argue if you fuck up the GM/coach it doesn't matter who you pick at qb. Purdy succeeded because Kyle S. knows how to develop players.

Re: Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning
 

[quote=mooby;1355889]Depends how the qb plays - if he plays mediocre but flashes every now and then our coaching staff would be more inclined to give him more time to learn and grow. If he still sucks after year 2 or 3 then you press reset but depending on record Harris might not be inclined to let the staff pick a new qb knowing they already fucked it up once. Example - if we go 2-14 in the 3rd year with a new coaching staff it's highly unlikely they'd get a 4th year to fix it. The system is predicated on showing improvement every year. If we aren't in playoff contention by year 3 safe to say the staff and half the roster are goners. Boom - your franchise had a boatload of draft picks, a fresh staff/FO, and a top 3 pick to select a qb and they failed. Who you pick matters way more than where you pick. Who was the last top 2 qb to become a surefire HOFer?[/quote]

Then with this line of thinking; sticking with Sam would set us back 3-5 years

Re: Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning
 

[quote=mooby;1355892]It's not just luck. Purdy walked into a pretty purdy situation, a team stocked with All-Pro's and a coaching staff who actually can turn Mr. Irrelevant into a Pro Bowl qb (suck an egg Josh McDaniels).

I'd go so far to argue if you fuck up the GM/coach it doesn't matter who you pick at qb. Purdy succeeded because Kyle S. knows how to develop players.[/quote]

I get that argument, but then how does that explain why he couldn't do the same with Lance?

Re: Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1355896]I get that argument, but then how does that explain why he couldn't do the same with Lance?[/quote]

I am going to say it is between the ears issue. Matt Stover once said there were 100 kickers better than he was but they didn’t have the mental fortitude for the NFL. imagine QB is the same.

Re: Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1355896]I get that argument, but then how does that explain why he couldn't do the same with Lance?[/quote]

Same reason Jay Gruden did it with Kirk when he couldn't do it with RG3?

Idk Chief I'm not the qb whisperer.

My entire point is if Harris and co. fucks up the GM/coaching staff and they fuck up the qb it might set this franchise back years to come. GM and coach is just as important as the roster.

I'm not saying pick one guy and leave it alone - I agree you have to keep swinging until you hit one. The book isn't closed on Howell either, he might just need a few years of development.

Re: Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1355897]I am going to say it is between the ears issue. Matt Stover once said there were 100 kickers better than he was but they didn’t have the mental fortitude for the NFL. imagine QB is the same.[/quote]

Yeah... thats what I'm saying. Lets go with that :D

Re: Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning
 

[quote=mooby;1355901]Same reason Jay Gruden did it with Kirk when he couldn't do it with RG3?

Idk Chief I'm not the qb whisperer.

My entire point is if Harris and co. fucks up the GM/coaching staff and they fuck up the qb it might set this franchise back years to come. GM and coach is just as important as the roster.

I'm not saying pick one guy and leave it alone - I agree you have to keep swinging until you hit one. The book isn't closed on Howell either, he might just need a few years of development.[/quote]

That's why I believe there's a lot of luck involved. SF was unlucky with Lance, and lucky with Purdy. Which is precisely why you have to keep swinging, as you said.