Re: O-Line Edition: Free Agency and the Draft
 

It's interesting that a lot of teams supposedly talked to Rieff at the combine about playing guard

Re: O-Line Edition: Free Agency and the Draft
 

[quote=SmootSmack;891529]It's interesting that a lot of teams supposedly talked to Rieff at the combine about playing guard[/quote]

Isn't the knock on Rieff that he plays too upright and stiff, which is less of a liability in a guard than in a tackle?

Re: O-Line Edition: Free Agency and the Draft
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;891524[B]]Mike Briesel, Evan Mathis[/B], Samson Satele, Dan Connolly.[/quote]

Briesel and Mathis are def solid players. Wouldnt be mad about either one. Im just really concerned if we just stick with Kory L, that injury was tough.

Re: O-Line Edition: Free Agency and the Draft
 

^ Yeah I mean you just don't know how a guys ACL is going to hold up the next year. Usually not good, but we'll see.

[QUOTE=44Deezel;891453]I'm no expert, but it seems to me that the #1 thing that affects the performance of the O-line is the play of the QB behind it. The same O-line that couldn't keep Jason Campbell upright created huge running lanes and gave Todd Collins all the time he needed to make plays down the field.

Look at the Colts O-line last year without Peyton Manning under Center. And look what happened when John Beck played against one of the worst pass rushing teams in the NFL, the Bills. He was sacked 10 times. QBs that can make Defenders miss, don't hold onto the ball too long and can anticipate where the pressure is going to come from before the ball is snapped take a lot of pressue off their O-lines. QBs that punish the blitz like Kurt Warner did so well, make Defenses play in nickel and dime sets more often. Look how the Jets play Brady - 3 down linemen with 8 DBs.

I didn't get the sense that our QBs were under constant duress last year, and the running game looked pretty damn good late in the season even though we were missing starters on the O-line. Plus, there are ways to negate a good pass rush with play calling. Draw plays, screen passes, bootlegs, etc.

I laugh when people claim we have SO MANY holes. Every team has holes. The Giants were dead last in Rushing and the Pats were one of the worst Defenses in the league all year. Aaron Rodgers was one of the most sacked QBs in the league when they won it all, and so was Big Ben when one of the times they won it.

I have no doubt we'll add some pieces across the O-line and will find a WR either in Free Agency or the Draft, but until we get a legitimate starting QB, the team will appear to have more holes than it really does.

Besides, isn't Shanny known for making good O-lines out of middle to late round no-namers that fit his zone blocking scheme?[/QUOTE]

I agree with this whole post. Our O-line may not be elite but a good qb behind it will make a decent line that much better.

Re: O-Line Edition: Free Agency and the Draft
 

i agree we need a RT and an OG. send chester to the bench and brown to the unemployment line.

our line kinda got it together at the very end last year, but a quality tackle would be welcome.

we'd still need to get a QB, #1 WR and a DB (safety and/or #1 CB) first though in order of needs... I think the WR/RT have to be FAs since our draft will either send picks for RGIII or draft a guy claiborne at 6 and a QB in the 2nd round. you can get OG/Cs in the 3rd without too much trouble.

Re: O-Line Edition: Free Agency and the Draft
 

LT-Williams
LG-DeCastro
C-Lichtensteiger/Montgomery (health issue for Lightensteiger)
RG-Chester
RT-Brown or Smith

I say drafting DeCastro after trading down is the way to go, best G since Steve Hutchinson. Rather have him than drafting a RT since Smith showed he could play. If you guys haven't seen DeCastro pull, I suggest you find a you tube video and watch him in action.

Another reason to draft him is to keep the Cowboys from drafting him, they would have one of the best young OL's if they do. I rather it be the Redskins.

Re: O-Line Edition: Free Agency and the Draft
 

[quote=44Deezel;891453]I'm no expert, but it seems to me that the #1 thing that affects the performance of the O-line is the play of the QB behind it. The same O-line that couldn't keep Jason Campbell upright created huge running lanes and gave Todd Collins all the time he needed to make plays down the field.[/quote]I don't remember Todd Collins ever having a good game in the last four seasons.

Re: O-Line Edition: Free Agency and the Draft
 

[quote=GTripp0012;891653]I don't remember Todd Collins ever having a good game in the last four seasons.[/quote]

Is there a point in there somewhere?

Re: O-Line Edition: Free Agency and the Draft
 

[quote=SmootSmack;891529]It's interesting that a lot of teams supposedly talked to Rieff at the combine about playing guard[/quote]

Were the Skins one of those teams? Only thing I heard about Rieff was his stock has been dropping big time.

Re: O-Line Edition: Free Agency and the Draft
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;891524]Mike Briesel, Evan Mathis, [B]Samson Satele[/B], Dan Connolly.[/quote]

Isn't he a CTR.

Re: O-Line Edition: Free Agency and the Draft
 

[quote=Chico23231;891675]Were the Skins one of those teams? Only thing I heard about Rieff was his stock has been dropping big time.[/quote]

I don't know

Re: O-Line Edition: Free Agency and the Draft
 

I would love to improve our oline this offseason. Id prefere to build through the draft but since im in the trade the world for RG3 camp then we will be short on early picks. Luckily shanny likes to generally use mid to late rounders on oline. This draft is actually rather deep at the gaurd position while being weak at tackle. Outside of ziebre sanders in the 2nd i doubt we will be able to find a starting RT in this draft even though i do believe RT is our biggest need. Nate potter in the late 3rd early 4th will need some development at RT but could also play gaurd in the mean time. Potter is also a good zbs fit. Alot of the gaurds in this draft are good zbs fits like kevin zietler 2/3rd, ben jones c/g 2/3rd, lucas nix 4/5th are all guys that i would like to grab if we can try and reaccumulate picks. Adam gettis is small but showed great athleticism at the combine with the fastest 40 and very long jumps, he might be worth a 6/7th round flier even though he could stand to put on a few extra pounds. Finally probably my favorite guy this year will be the already mentioned phillip blake. Again, if we trade up for RG3 then i fully believe drafting the same center he has alteady built a chemistry with the past few years will speed up his development. Before the senior bowl and combine i was hoping to grab him in the 5th round or so but i think his stock might have risen to possibly as high as the 3rx but i think he is safely in the 4th round discussion. He showed alot of athleticism along with power and good technique to not only fit the zbs as a center but even fill in at gaurd if need be. Tell me what you guys think, thanks!!!

Re: O-Line Edition: Free Agency and the Draft
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;891689]Isn't he a CTR.[/quote]

Yeah, but Oakland moved him to guard this year with Stefan Wisnewski, and he did a very solid job there. He's basically Will Montgomery 2.0, but is slightly better at Guard than Will was.

Re: O-Line Edition: Free Agency and the Draft
 

[quote=joeyt56;891717]I would love to improve our oline this offseason. Id prefere to build through the draft but since im in the trade the world for RG3 camp then we will be short on early picks. Luckily shanny likes to generally use mid to late rounders on oline. This draft is actually rather deep at the gaurd position while being weak at tackle. Outside of ziebre sanders in the 2nd i doubt we will be able to find a starting RT in this draft even though i do believe RT is our biggest need. [B]Nate potter[/B] in the late 3rd early 4th will need some development at RT but could also play gaurd in the mean time. Potter is also a good zbs fit. Alot of the gaurds in this draft are good zbs fits like [B]kevin zietler[/B] 2/3rd, ben jones c/g 2/3rd, lucas nix 4/5th are all guys that i would like to grab if we can try and reaccumulate picks. Adam gettis is small but showed great athleticism at the combine with the fastest 40 and very long jumps, he might be worth a 6/7th round flier even though he could stand to put on a few extra pounds. Finally probably my favorite guy this year will be the already mentioned [B]phillip blake[/B]. Again, if we trade up for RG3 then i fully believe drafting the same center he has alteady built a chemistry with the past few years will speed up his development. Before the senior bowl and combine i was hoping to grab him in the 5th round or so but i think his stock might have risen to possibly as high as the 3rx but i think he is safely in the 4th round discussion. He showed alot of athleticism along with power and good technique to not only fit the zbs as a center but even fill in at gaurd if need be. Tell me what you guys think, thanks!!![/quote]

In bold are the guys I think could be good picks. I think the RT position is pivotal and outside the obvious (which Im not gonna say RUskins) is our greatest need along with WR. If we get Manning, our first round pick [B]MUST[/B] be a RT. Philip Blake is the guy I want us to grab mid round as well.