Re: Joe Paterno dies at age 85
 

[quote=djnemo65;877636]Haven't you noticed that no one is bashing the janitor who failed to report Sandusky? That guy certainly was a Joe Schmoe. The whole point of this Scandal vis-a-vis Paterno was that in failing to take decisive action Paterno fell short of the moral standard and example he had set for himself and the university, even if he had obeyed the law. He was and should have been held to a higher standard. But where did that standard come from? Well, it come from the way he had lived his life, and to just pretend that he didn't have a profoundly positive impact on thousands of football players and hundreds of thousands of students is to completely miss why Paterno's involvement in this was a news story in the first place. So while the last two months aren't forgotten and forgiven just because he died, it's perverse to just blindly deny all the positive things he accomplished in his life. Anyway, human beings - including Paterno - are genuinely complex, and rarely the type of unambiguously good/evil characters we see in movies like Star Wars. Unless these people are named NC_Skins or Firstdown, in which case they are unambiguously irritating beings who have been sent to this world solely to annoy me with their insensitive and ill-considered posts.[/quote]

Poor baby, did I hurt your feelings? If you read other articles, you find that this isn't the first time that JoePa covered up something bad. I think I recall reading a article where he supposedly made this claim of rape by one of his football players go away without a proper investigation. You really think this child molestation is the first case of him covering up something bad?...lol

Again, the mere fact you put this asshole on a pedestal all because of his legend a football coach speaks about your morality and character. As for the others, when they die, I too will wish that they burn in hell just like I did with JoePa. This isn't only directed at JoePa, it's directed at ALL of them involved.

Excuse me if you have a problem with me hating child molestation, obviously you are ok with it as long as the person does other good deeds.

[quote=djnemo65;877636]haven't you noticed that no one is bashing the janitor who failed to report sandusky? That guy certainly was a joe schmoe. The whole point of this scandal vis-a-vis paterno was that in failing to take decisive action paterno fell short of the moral standard and example he had set for himself and the university, even if he had obeyed the law. He was and should have been held to a higher standard. But where did that standard come from? Well, it come from the way he had lived his life, and to just pretend that he didn't have a profoundly positive impact on thousands of football players and hundreds of thousands of students is to completely miss why paterno's involvement in this was a news story in the first place. So while the last two months aren't forgotten and forgiven just because he died, it's perverse to just blindly deny all the positive things he accomplished in his life. Anyway, human beings - including paterno - are genuinely complex, and rarely the type of unambiguously good/evil characters we see in movies like star wars. Unless these people are named nc_skins or firstdown, in which case they are unambiguously irritating beings who have been sent to this world solely to annoy me with their insensitive and ill-considered posts.[/quote]

outstanding post!

Re: Joe Paterno dies at age 85
 

[quote=NC_Skins;877643]Poor baby, did I hurt your feelings? If you read other articles, you find that this isn't the first time that JoePa covered up something bad. I think I recall reading a article where he supposedly made this claim of rape by one of his football players go away without a proper investigation. You really think this child molestation is the first case of him covering up something bad?...lol

Again, the mere fact you put this asshole on a pedestal all because of his legend a football coach speaks about your morality and character. As for the others, when they die, I too will wish that they burn in hell just like I did with JoePa. This isn't only directed at JoePa, it's directed at ALL of them involved.

Excuse me if you have a problem with me hating child molestation, obviously you are ok with it as long as the person does other good deeds.[/quote]

You don't know what you're talking about and you're not worth my time. Have a nice life.

Re: Joe Paterno dies at age 85
 

[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;877641]Very well said. The main reason I said "it's sort of sad" in the initial post is for the exact reasons you pointed out. While he went out with a severely tarnished legend due to his inaction regarding the piece of garbage, Sandusky, it's hard to discount the fact that he gained that legendary status based on more than just wins.[/quote]


Doesn't that speak volumes of you though? Ok, this guy did a lot of good in his life, but still allowed child molestation to go on? Would you be saying this if it were your kids? I want a answer to that.


Really? Are you people that pathetic in your morality?...lol

Re: Joe Paterno dies at age 85
 

[quote=djnemo65;877645]You don't know what you're talking about and you're not worth my time. Have a nice life.[/quote]

..and you've never been sexually molested as a kid. (retracted...I've cooled down)

Re: Joe Paterno dies at age 85
 

alright guys let's cool it

Re: Joe Paterno dies at age 85
 

I dont know what your deal is, NC Skins. You get so worked up about this Penn St thing it's like you take everything surrounding it personally.

Back off on the profanity, and let's try to be a little more mature when expressing a difference of opinion.

Re: Joe Paterno dies at age 85
 

[quote=GMScud;877651]I dont know what your deal is, NC Skins. You get so worked up about this Penn St thing it's like you take everything surrounding it personally.

Back off on the profanity, and let's try to be a little more mature when expressing a difference of opinion.[/quote]


Stop and think. Why would a person get so worked up about a case involving child molestation unless...*gasp*...he was molested himself? None of you know my history or my childhood, so when people are highly visible about something, chances are because it hits home with them on a personal level. As a victim, to see people sit back and celebrating some asshole all because he was a good football coach and donated money for a library doesn't cut it with me.

Not a single one of you have answered my question. Would you be wishing him "peace" if it were your kid or even you that he allowed to be molested?


edit: Also, I was attacked first for my opinion, so how about you say that to them.

The funny thing about all of this is Joe has taken more hits then Jerry S. People like lawyers go for deep pockets when they convicted.

Re: Joe Paterno dies at age 85
 

[quote=mredskins;877655]The funny thing about all of this is Joe has taken more hits then Jerry S. People like lawyers go for deep pockets when they convicted.[/quote]

I'm hoping they put that man in general population come prison time.

RIP Joe pa.. sad way of ending a great life and career

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;877656]I'm hoping they put that man in general population come prison time.[/QUOTE]

I think you should just let this all go and worry about the things that you can change. This and your past seem to make you just a bitter person. In the end your angry and bitterness are just destorying your quailty of life.

Re: Joe Paterno dies at age 85
 

[quote=NC_Skins;877652]Stop and think. Why would a person get so worked up about a case involving child molestation unless...*gasp*...he was molested himself? None of you know my history or my childhood, so when people are highly visible about something, chances are because it hits home with them on a personal level. As a victim, to see people sit back and celebrating some asshole all because he was a good football coach and donated money for a library doesn't cut it with me.

Not a single one of you have answered my question. Would you be wishing him "peace" if it were your kid or even you that he allowed to be molested?


edit: Also, I was attacked first for my opinion, so how about you say that to them.[/quote]

I'm sorry if you were a victim as a child. That's nothing short of terrible.

However, nobody "attacked" you in this thread. They disagreed with you. Djnemo said you were irritating, but I wouldn't say that's being attacked. Telling someone to "f*ck off and die" and calling them a POS however is a different story.

Maybe it's best you just leave this thread alone. We all know how you feel. Kind of a waste of energy on your part to keep this up.

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[quote=mredskins;877660]I think you should just let this all go and worry about the things that you can change. This and your past seem to make you just a bitter person. In the end your angry and bitterness are just destorying your quailty of life.[/quote]

My life is just fine and so is the quality of my life. I lack nothing, I can love and trust people with no problems. My anger doesn't stem from what happened, it stems from being picked on as a kid and I decided that would never happen again. If you notice, I get really angry about bullies. I despise them. I don't dwell on it though, I rant, say my piece and move on.

However, when I share my feelings towards a man that allowed this type of stuff to go on, it shouldn't be met with "OMG HES A LEGENDARY COACH SO ITS OK BECAUSE HE DID A LOT OF GOOD STUFF."

It's not ok. It's insulting to the victims (both in this case and others) to glorify him, but we don't care about the victims because they really don't concern us since it's not us or our loved ones.

Try looking at the whole picture instead of trying to adjust my life. I may appear to be a "angry" dude, but the reality is I"m not.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;877665]My life is just fine and so is the quality of my life. I lack nothing, I can love and trust people with no problems. My anger doesn't stem from what happened, it stems from being picked on as a kid and I decided that would never happen again. If you notice, I get really angry about bullies. I despise them. I don't dwell on it though, I rant, say my piece and move on.

However, when I share my feelings towards a man that allowed this type of stuff to go on, it shouldn't be met with "OMG HES A LEGENDARY COACH SO ITS OK BECAUSE HE DID A LOT OF GOOD STUFF."

It's not ok. It's insulting to the victims (both in this case and others) to glorify him, but we don't care about the victims because they really don't concern us since it's not us or our loved ones.

Try looking at the whole picture instead of trying to adjust my life. I may appear to be a "angry" dude, but the reality is I"m not.[/QUOTE]

I understand what u are saying in fact I agree, he was not such a great man as made out to be, I say he was a great coach obviously but not a human especially after knowing what those kids went through. Also if you were abused as a kid I'm sorry for u man, and I hope who ever did it gets or got what they deserved