Re: Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo
 

[quote=Daseal;562871]How so?[/quote]

I could be completely wrong, but I think he's a bit of a dirty player. I've seen a couple of games where he's been flagged for personal fouls, taking some cheap shots at QBs. I know B'more and Pittsburgh hate each other, but I remember one game he got flagged for taking a cheap shot at Big Ben. I looked up to see if I can find stats for most personal fouls, this is the best I could find (but it is from 2 yrs ago)

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3102510]Flag these guys down when there's a penalty on the play - NFL - ESPN[/url]

Unfortunately I couldn't find anything more recent regarding personal fouls, but it wouldn't surprised me if he was up there. I know the guy is a beast of a player, but he rubs me the wrong way.

Re: Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo
 

[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;562872]If Orakp ends up at the right end next to Albert then who plays the left end on passing downs? Carter or Wilson, jackson. Also, Tennessee used Albert at d-end on passing situations so do we put Orakp at the right tackle position. With Albert at right end he will definitely get a push from the outside which cold benefit our blitzes from the other side.[/quote]

There are so many options right now. More than we've had in many years. I read where one "expert" said, "If Haynesworth decided to change positions and play DE the rest of his career, he would automatically be the best DE in the NFL." I would love to see some downs with Orakpo at RDE and AH at LDE.

Re: Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo
 

[quote=diehard;562833]4.61 vs Orakpo's 4.7 on a bad hammy

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2003/draft/players/4958.html]SI.com - 2003 NFL Draft - Terrell Suggs[/url][/quote]

That wasn't his actual 40 time that was what they thought he would run.
Its well documented that Suggs ran a 'slow' 40.

[COLOR="DarkOrange"]That same year, the AP Defensive Rookie of the Year, Terrell Suggs, didn’t run fast for scouts, either. At Arizona State in the fall of 2002, Suggs collected an NCAA-record 24 sacks. But at 6-3, 262 pounds, Suggs was considered too small to be a three-down defensive end. And because he ran a disappointing 4.8 in the 40-yard dash during a private workout that March, Suggs was considered too slow to drop back in coverage as an outside linebacker in the 4-3. Suggs was a “tweaner,” a guy who didn’t belong at any particular position; at least that’s how his measurable qualities sized him up.[/COLOR]
[url=http://www.draftstock.com/site_main/content/view/185/26/]Draft Stock - How important are 40 times?[/url]

Although i would rather see Orakpo start at RDE, i think that he could be good at SAM in fact i think he could be very good.

I don't think Blache intends to use 'Rak like a typical 4-3 SAM/OLB.
Towards then end of the season Blache began playing JT at SAM and put him close to the line of scimmage and the plan was to move him to SAM fulltime in 2009, now i think that Orakpo will fill that role.
Also Blache had success w/ Rosevelt Colvin at OLB w/2 10 sacks seasons.

:food-smil

Re: Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo
 

[quote=Ruhskins;562868]Suggs is a thug, he can stay in Baltimore for all I care.[/quote]

Lol, come on Ruh. You say that like we're in Washington State.

Re: Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo
 

yea, I thought I read that Suggs ran a 4.8 40 but I can't find the link now.

Re: Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo
 

Suggs is a very good player, and we can only hope Orapko at least reaches his level if not surpass it.

Re: Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo
 

Again, I'll reiterate that this isn't a "where are Orakpo's skills best" kind of thing. This is just a play now/play later deal.

Maybe one day, Orakpo could be the type of player Suggs is. We can dream. But in 2003, 263 was small for a Rush DE. Now, it's about average. Suggs also got taken in the top-10, so he didn't exactly fall through the NFL Draft floor.

Re: Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo
 

[quote=Daseal;562850]4-3 and 3-4 makes a big difference. I still hate using Orakpo at SLB. Toss him in next to AH and let him focus on DE.[/quote]


Now you are comparing apples with apples!!! It is tough to compare players in different systems. Even more tough when you have never seen Orakpo Standing!

I hope he works out!

Re: Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo
 

[quote=diehard;562830]Obviously Orakpo doesn't have any NFL stats, but it seems as the team is going to toy with his athleticism as BAL 'did'. They are listed at the same height and weight, 6'3'' 260lbs. Bottom line, if T-Sizzle can be productive as a stand up OLB (3-4) and a hand in the dirt 4-3 DE, why can't Orakpo? I hope Orakpo isn't listening to all the doubters and using Suggs' success as motivation.[/quote]

T-Sizzle? :doh:

Re: Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo
 

[quote=Buster;562920]T-Sizzle? :doh:[/quote]

Do you prefer O-Sizzle or O-mazing?

Re: Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo
 

[quote=Ruhskins;562868]Suggs is a thug, he can stay in Baltimore for all I care.[/quote]

What has he done to be considered a thug? I am interested to know..

Re: Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo
 

[quote=Ruhskins;562874]I could be completely wrong, but I think he's a bit of a dirty player. I've seen a couple of games where he's been flagged for personal fouls, taking some cheap shots at QBs. I know B'more and Pittsburgh hate each other, but I remember one game he got flagged for taking a cheap shot at Big Ben. I looked up to see if I can find stats for most personal fouls, this is the best I could find (but it is from 2 yrs ago)

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3102510"]Flag these guys down when there's a penalty on the play - NFL - ESPN[/URL]

Unfortunately I couldn't find anything more recent regarding personal fouls, but it wouldn't surprised me if he was up there. I know the guy is a beast of a player, but he rubs me the wrong way.[/quote]

So since he rubs you the wrong way and he is vicious on the ball field and takes cheap shop he's a thug. Dude are you serious?.....

Do you know what a thug is?...I can direct you to some..lol

Re: Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;562957]So since he rubs you the wrong way and he is vicious on the ball field and takes cheap shop he's a thug. Dude are you serious?.....

Do you know what a thug is?...I can direct you to some..lol[/quote]

What is wrong with me having the opinion of not liking a player who tends to get a his fair share of personal fouls? I never said anything about Suggs ability to play, just his attitude and his personal fouls. He could have changed now, but I've seen in some Ravens boards that discipline was an issue with him in his first couple of years in the league.

Sheesh, I hear people here call Redskins players worst things, and I call Terrell Suggs a thug (which once again, my opinion, I'm just some yahoo on a soapbox in the internet) and people get all worked up over it?

Re: Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo
 

When I think of thug, I think more of someone's off-field behavior. As far as I know, Suggs isn't a problem off the field. He's aggressive on the field, but to me that's not a thug.

Re: Terell Suggs vs Brian Orakpo
 

[quote=SmootSmack;562972]When I think of thug, I think more of someone's off-field behavior. As far as I know, Suggs isn't a problem off the field. He's aggressive on the field, but to me that's not a thug.[/quote]

That makes sense. Alright, maybe I should say he is overly aggressive on the field and this has led to a number of personal fouls. Or maybe that he's a dirty player (although it seems that Rodney Harrison has that title according to some ESPN articles last year).

I am still curious to see where he'd rank in regards to personal fouls (and actually Rodney Harrison for that matter), so if anyone finds it, let me know.