Re: Cooley comments on Jason Taylor
 

The whole thing is just weird to me. On the one hand, I can see where Taylor is coming from in terms of "hey we made an agreement before I was traded, my deal stays exactly the same for two years."

And then you have these comments by Cerrato, that make you say "WTF??" He's basically saying he's expecting to be able to make JT do what Parcells couldn't.

[QUOTE]"We felt like to get the best out of him, because he didn't work out all last year, because he was doing dancing" they needed him to be at the complex, Cerrato said. "And that's what Bill had the problem with, because he wasn't in [Miami's] offseason program. We just wanted to get him in shape to make sure that he was in shape."

Cornerback Shawn Springs, released last Friday in a salary-cap move, did not participate in the workout program at the complex, preferring to train in Arizona. "People say, 'What about Shawn Springs?' But Shawn went to Arizona to work out, not at his home. He [Taylor] just wanted to stay home with his kids."[/QUOTE]

This is kinda like Larry Centers all over again. My guess is that Zorn (and/or maybe Blache) pushed for this (I think it's also in Hall's and Haynesworth's new contracts), and Cerrato was probably lukewarm about it. But I'm a bit surprised VC is surprised Taylor turned it down.

But, as I've said before, I have a hard time believing it was only about this workout clause. There had to be more to it.

Re: Cooley comments on Jason Taylor
 

[quote=SmootSmack;533659]The whole thing is just weird to me. On the one hand, I can see where Taylor is coming from in terms of "hey we made an agreement before I was traded, my deal stays exactly the same for two years."

And then you have these comments by Cerrato, that make you say "WTF??" He's basically saying he's expecting to be able to make JT do what Parcells couldn't.



This is kinda like Larry Centers all over again. My guess is that Zorn (and/or maybe Blache) pushed for this (I think it's also in Hall's and Haynesworth's new contracts), and Cerrato was probably lukewarm about it. But I'm a bit surprised VC is surprised Taylor turned it down.

But, as I've said before, I have a hard time believing it was only about this workout clause. There had to be more to it.[/quote]

I agree. From JT's standpoint, he's most likely saying, hey look we had a deal last year, why are we trying to change the contract? What's changed since then? I'm sure these things were talked about last year. Well, who knows actually.

From the VC standpoint...what d hell? You are suprised? Why did you cost us 2 draft picks last year for a 1 year guy? Wasteful if you ask me.

VC basically sais JT is not working out. I highly doubt this is true. You can spend time at home and work out. It's almost like another smear campaign...allegedly. VC would never do something like that (cough...gregg williams...cough...spags...etc).

Re: Cooley comments on Jason Taylor
 

I don't think this is a smear campaign (I also don't think there was one against Williams, people just thought there'd be one but this thread ain't about that).

I think this is simple ignorance (or arrogance) on Cerrato's part. Actually, I think he and Zorn/Blache had different ideas on Taylor and his future with the Redskins (one side thought he shouldn't have one, or at the very least he should work for it), Snyder overruled VC and now Vinny has to scramble to stay in lockstep with the organization's stance.

Re: Cooley comments on Jason Taylor
 

[quote=SmootSmack;533659]The whole thing is just weird to me. On the one hand, I can see where Taylor is coming from in terms of "hey we made an agreement before I was traded, my deal stays exactly the same for two years."

And then you have these comments by Cerrato, that make you say "WTF??" He's basically saying he's expecting to be able to make JT do what Parcells couldn't.



This is kinda like Larry Centers all over again. My guess is that Zorn (and/or maybe Blache) pushed for this (I think it's also in Hall's and Haynesworth's new contracts), and Cerrato was probably lukewarm about it. But I'm a bit surprised VC is surprised Taylor turned it down.

But, as I've said before, I have a hard time believing it was only about this workout clause. There had to be more to it.[/quote]


I think its pretty clear that we didnt want Taylor in 2009 and he didnt want to be here. This arrangement allows both sides to save face - The skins get to look like they wanted Taylor here with his teammates and Taylor gets to take the high road with wanting to be with his family. The skins have a legitimate excuse to cut Taylor, and Taylor doesnt have to suffer the disgrace of being cut for his performance.

Re: Cooley comments on Jason Taylor
 

Being the father of 3 young children I can see JT point of view, but at the same time as Cooley mentioned; 1 year for 9Mil? Time would fly by and you can take that money to the bank. Maybe JT is so loaded, that 9Mil is not shit to him or he misses his kids and banging his wife (she's hot).

Re: Cooley comments on Jason Taylor
 

According to an article I read somewhere, Vonnie Holliday who was recently released by the Dolphins, said that JT was pretty much fed up with the Redskins. JT felt he was used out of position, and after 2 surgeries and not really clicking with Blache and then having the ammendment added to his contract, did'nt want to come back. Said he was'nt happy here.

Re: Cooley comments on Jason Taylor
 

JT is a total dumbass. He wasn't worried about spending time w/ his kids when he was on TV last off season. The FO saw that he showed up out of shape, he didn't play well even when he wasn't hurt so now they want to keep an eye on him. So what? They have a right to do that when they're paying you 8.5 mil. Where else is he going to make that kind of $? No other team is going to pay him that kind of money. They wanted him here for 25 workouts from March to June? WTF?? That's not a big deal and not too much to ask. I give the FO credit for this. Bottom line is he doesn't want to be here, good bye and good riddance.

Re: Cooley comments on Jason Taylor
 

[quote=skinsfan69;533669]JT is a total dumbass. He wasn't worried about spending time w/ his kids when he was on TV last off season. The FO saw that he showed up out of shape, he didn't play well even when he wasn't hurt so now they want to keep an eye on him. So what? They have a right to do that when they're paying you 8.5 mil. Where else is he going to make that kind of $? No other team is going to pay him that kind of money. They wanted him here for 25 workouts from March to June? WTF?? That's not a big deal and not too much to ask. I give the FO credit for this. Bottom line is he doesn't want to be here, good bye and good riddance.[/quote]

Sure they do have the right. I would have preferred them to realize this before we gave up 2 draft picks. One an ultra valuable 2nd rounder.

Re: Cooley comments on Jason Taylor
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;533666]Being the father of 3 young children I can see JT point of view, but at the same time as Cooley mentioned; 1 year for 9Mil? Time would fly by and you can take that money to the bank. Maybe JT is so loaded, that 9Mil is not shit to him or he misses his kids and banging his wife (she's hot).[/quote]

And the reason you can't take a few hundred grand and of your 9M and bring the family here? (Yes. It's inconvenient and disruptive to their young lives - for 9M, they need to get over it. Somehow they will manage.)

Seriously, military families get moved around and separated from their spouses/children and they do it for a whole hell of a lot less. If he really wanted to (and that's the crux of it), he could make it happen.

He must already be richer than God. What was the upfront money on his last deal?

Re: Cooley comments on Jason Taylor
 

I like how in the last paragraph Cooley says, "and again, I will not judge his decision..." Ummm, Chris, you just spent 3 paragraphs ripping him a new one for his decision. It's still funny though.

Re: Cooley comments on Jason Taylor
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;533675]And the reason you can't take a few hundred grand and of your 9M and bring the family here? (Yes. It's inconvenient and disruptive to their young lives - for 9M, they need to get over it. Somehow they will manage.)

Seriously, military families get moved around and separated from their spouses/children and they do it for a whole hell of a lot less. If he really wanted to (and that's the crux of it), he could make it happen.

[B]He must already be richer than God. What was the upfront money on his last deal?[/B] [/quote]

Here's what I don't get- we all knew he would not restructure or take a pay cut because he and his agent felt like he was worth the money, and the Redskins knew the terms of his existing contract when they traded for him. So clearly in this instance money seems to be a big factor for him. Ok, fine.

So then he refuses this whole workout thingy, which ends up being a decision that voids his contract and leaves him looking for work. Plus he just sent a message to the rest of the league that he won't be participating in any offseason workouts. Is any team going to give a 34 year old malcontent coming off an injury plauged season $8.5M in 2009 AND allow him to skip workouts with his new teammates? I'd say the answer is a pretty obvious "no."

So what's the deal? Does he care about the $$ or not?

Re: Cooley comments on Jason Taylor
 

The Redskins had an investment in a player who didn't workout last offseason and happened to get seriously injured. They wanted to protect their investment by assuring that they could do all they could to in order to get Taylor in shape for the season. Taylor said no, VC said buh bye.

And while I'm not surprised that Taylor was unhappy, I think he blew a perfectly good opportunity to make some cash and play on a stellar line that would help inflate his stats. But such is life.

Re: Cooley comments on Jason Taylor
 

Well clearly you have to be a damn fool to give up that kind of coin for ONE season! He must of been one unhappy SOB! That family crap is a crock of shit!

You weren't worth what we paid and gave up for you to begin with, bad move on the Redskins behalf! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out taylor!

Re: Cooley comments on Jason Taylor
 

I was pretty upset about this when it happened but I am starting to think it was the right move to let him go.

I don't think he is motivated (walking away from 8.5 million is pretty strong evidence) enough to keep around. This team does not need anyone who is not 1000% committed to spilling their guts for the team next year (another reason why I think letting Springs go was smart).

That still doesn't change my view that looking at the Taylor transaction in it's entirety was completely idiotic.

Re: Cooley comments on Jason Taylor
 

[quote=BDBohnzie;533693][B]The Redskins had an investment in a player who didn't workout last offseason and happened to get seriously injured. [/B] They wanted to protect their investment by assuring that they could do all they could to in order to get Taylor in shape for the season. Taylor said no, VC said buh bye.

And while I'm not surprised that Taylor was unhappy, I think he blew a perfectly good opportunity to make some cash and play on a stellar line that would help inflate his stats. But such is life.[/quote]

I definitely agree with this, and this whole post. The Redskins needed to be proactive about making sure that JT didn't get hurt again and have a season just like last year. If JT didn't want to be away from his family in Miami, he should've stayed there and work things out with Parcells. By the way, regular people that have to be away from their families (i.e. people in the military) don't have the luxury of quitting their jobs.