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[quote=44ever;524243]What about his contribution to AZ if they win the SB. I'm sure that will help. With a SB as a assistant HC and Line coach might that be enough?[/quote]I really doubt that the voters will treat his work as an assistant coach in his hall case, but I guess you never know what they are thinking.

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you know what Gtripp it's only a matter of time for him anyway. He will be a HC someday and a winner I'm sure :)

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[URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9157152/Bruce-Smith,-Woodson-highlight-new-Hall-class"][COLOR=#0066cc]Canton's calling: Bruce Smith, Woodson into Hall[/COLOR][/URL]

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I think most predicted Bruce to be a shoe in first shot. Even though Bruce being a local boy I can't consider him anything but a bill that never won the big one with that team. He was a used up when the skins picked him up (I remember a very cheap/freebie sack...and a phone call on the side line, those are 'HIS' skin highlights). But good for him.

But really hate to see Russ bypassed again. Keep hoping his day/year will come! Hope it starts with another Superbowl ring tomorrow.

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[quote=vallin21;524240]I agree with Gtripp, you're telling me Sharpe, Carter or Reed couldn't beat out Bob Hayes? Any one of those guys are equally deserving [B](if not more) [/B]to have their busts in Canton. Too bad for Carter, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Jerry Rice come on the ballot next year? If so its going to be a few years before Carter will get in[/quote]

What you're forgetting is the game back then was nothing like it is today. Carter and Sharpe no question have the stats and both were great players. But Hayes played in an era where the forward pass isn't nearly what it is today and no question he changed the way NFL defenses played coverage because of his raw speed. Also 71 TD's from 64-74 is quite impressive. I don't have a problem with this selection.

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You're forgetting that Hayes played against guys with less speed, strength, etc. Sharpe, and Carter played against guys that were as fast and as strong as them every sunday. You can disagree, but I think the level of competion Carter and Sharpe played against was higher than what Hayes played against.

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[quote=vallin21;524256]You're forgetting that Hayes played against guys with less speed, strength, etc. Sharpe, and Carter played against guys that were as fast and as strong as them every sunday. You can disagree, but I think the level of competion Carter and Sharpe played against was higher than what Hayes played against.[/quote]

Very good point. However Hayes could not help it that he was ahead of his time. If that was the case then all the old timers would never get in the HOF. Perfect example is our own Sonny Jurgenson who was one of the best pure passers of all time. Sonny was so far ahead of his time that it's not even funny. If he played in this era his numbers would be insane. Same w/ Hayes. He'd probably have much better numbers if he played in an era where you get a penalty if you look at the wr the worng way. Get what I'm saying?

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Kind words from Daniel Snyder, in reference to Bruce Smith getting Hall of Fame nod.

[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Smith_Earns_Induction_Into_Hall_of_Fame_31669.jsp"]Smith Earns Induction Into Hall of Fame[/URL]

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[quote=vallin21;524256]You're forgetting that Hayes played against guys with less speed, strength, etc. Sharpe, and Carter played against guys that were as fast and as strong as them every sunday. You can disagree, but I think the level of competion Carter and Sharpe played against was higher than what Hayes played against.[/quote]

He also played in an era when the rules favored the defense. I'm surprised passes were completed in the '60's. Hayes averaged over 20 yds/catch and scored a TD every 5.22 times he caught the ball. Fred Biletnikoff (who is in the HOF and was also drafted in 1965) avgd 15.2 yds/catch and scored every 7.75 times.
For anyone who likes watching an exciting gamebreaker, watch film of Hayes this summer while we are all going through NFL withdrawel.

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[quote=rypper11;524259]He also played in an era when the rules favored the defense. [B]I'm surprised passes were completed in the '60's. Hayes averaged over 20 yds/catch and scored a TD every 5.22 times he caught the ball. [/B]Fred Biletnikoff (who is in the HOF and was also drafted in 1965) avgd 15.2 yds/catch and scored every 7.75 times.
For anyone who likes watching an exciting gamebreaker, watch film of Hayes this summer while we are all going through NFL withdrawel.[/quote]

That's truly an amazing stat. The rules really didn't start to change until the late 70's and that was because of Mel Blount.

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[quote=skinsfan69;524257]Very good point. However Hayes could not help it that he was ahead of his time. If that was the case then all the old timers would never get in the HOF. Perfect example is our own Sonny Jurgenson who was one of the best pure passers of all time. Sonny was so far ahead of his time that it's not even funny. [B]If he played in this era his numbers would be insane. Same w/ Hayes. He'd probably have much better numbers if he played in an era where you get a penalty if you look at the wr the worng way.[/B] Get what I'm saying?[/quote]

I see your point. :food-smil

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It's odd that aside from Gibbs the Redskins OL gets the most credit for the 3 Super Bowls yet none of them are considered slam dunk HOFers. OL have no stats so what makes this OL not worthy while OL from other great teams are represented. I am not one to really gripe about this sort of thing but it is odd.

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Solid HoF class. Sorry to see Grimm get left out. Extremely happy Carter didn't get in, I hope he never gets in.

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[quote=celts32;524267]It's odd that aside from Gibbs the Redskins OL gets the most credit for the 3 Super Bowls yet none of them are considered slam dunk HOFers. OL have no stats so what makes this OL not worthy while OL from other great teams are represented. I am not one to really gripe about this sort of thing but it is odd.[/quote]

Well the guys that were here the longest were Bostic, Grimm and Jacoby. Grimm was injured during the 87 season and 88- 91 he was only used in short yardage. I'm not sure Grimm had enough years starting. Bostic was a good center but not great. He was benched during the 87 year and only got his job back cause Grimm got hurt. But he did start on 3 SB winning teams. Good player but not great. That leaves Jacoby. I think Jacoby has a strong case but he moved to guard when Lachey came on so what position does he go in as? Guard or tackle? I personally think Jacoby was the best out of the group and played/started for a long time.

All the other guys like RC Thielmann, Lachey, Mackenzie, Stink and May were all good players that started on SB teams. But I wouldn't consider any of them great players. Lachey might have had a chance but injuries did him in.

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Randall McDaniel was an animal, he ate-up defenders for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Well deserved HoF bust, certainly more so than Grimm.

Glad Chris "Hatter" Carter didn't make it. Every year he doesn't make it lends credibility to the "theory of Karma."