Re: DT Stroud on the block!
 

[quote=Cooley1;427133]I feel the same way and wanted to look into it a bit to see what exactly this situation entailed. If you can believe the story, which I am on the fence about, then it may make you feel a bit better about his situation.

From Wikipedia:

Marcus and John Henderson have helped give the Jaguars one of the most dominant defensive tackles duos in the NFL today.

Marcus Stroud was selected to the Pro Bowl following the 2003, 2004 and 2005 NFL seasons.

In November of 2007 he was suspended for four weeks for drug/substance abuse. Stroud, a three time pro bowler who tested positive for a banned supplement, had a lot to say about the matter. "The only thing that was tough about it is I didn't want people to think I was a cheater”. "God gave me this talent to play football, and I feel like I do it well, and I don't need any juice or anything else to help me." He said a doctor in Atlanta was the one who gave him this over the counter supplement, when he was rehabbing from his off-season ankle surgery. Stroud later commented, that when he received the supplement from his doctor, he checked the bottles ingredients, with the little booklet the NFL gives each player, for illegal substances, banned in the league. He said no ingredient from the bottle was in the booklet, and he thought he was in the clear to take it to speed the process for his return. So when Stroud found out he had tested positive, he was very surprised and upset. Stroud who was disappointed at the time said it was the first time in his career he had ever used a supplement and it would definitely be the last. When serving the month long absence from his team the Jacksonville Jaguars, he was in the city of Atlanta working out hard at a training facility called Competitive Edge Sports. Their Stroud performed at a high level of training to become ready for his comeback to his team. When asked from the media about his time off from the game he had this to say "When you're the only one home, it's boring," Stroud said. "All your friends are working and they look like they're having a great time out there on the field and I had to watch from afar. It was pretty tough. It was something I had to go through. Now it's time to play ball."[/quote]
If that was me I would presant a bottle of the stuff to the media and the NFL showing what the lable said and some type of receipt (you know the thing you save showing a business expense for taxes). It mey not save him from a sus. but it might make his argument look much better.

Re: DT Stroud on the block!
 

Maybe a second is too high after thinking about it. I would say we stole him if we could get him for a third. He may be thirty, but he is just dominant when healthy.

Re: DT Stroud on the block!
 

You guys do realize that he's 31. I don't know if you guys are the same group that complained about Colvin being injury prone but the guy has missed 13 games in the last two years. Very bad trade for anything less then a second day pick, and even then.

[quote=Cooley1;427143]Dewayne Robertson is a good/great DT, do you think we could get him that cheap??? If so I would have to agree with you. He had a good year last year on a very bad team, I think he would be even better with a team like,.........um lets see......Da Skins![/quote]

Well the reason he's availabe seems to be because he's not cheap. His cap number this year is supposed to be $9.8 million. Of course if the Jets trade him then his signing bonus becomes paid in full, leaving us responsible only for the base salary. However with approximately 10 million in cap room, Robertson becomes expensive. If they did trade for him they would probably restructure and convert part of the base salary into signing bonus.

As I posted in another thread scouts think he would thrive in a good 4-3 system, and as far as I know he plays at the quick DT spot, and with Griffin aging that would be a big help. I even went so far as to say that Robertson reminds me of Griffin coming here a few years ago, granted the Redskins went through with the trade.

Plus 4 sacks in a system thats holding him back seems like a pretty good deal to me. I hope the Redskins make a run at him. If I had to guess I say they'd trade a 5th rounder this year and give an additional 4th rounder in 2010 if he meets certain benchmarks.

Re: DT Stroud on the block!
 

If we can get Stroud for next to nothing then make the deal but if we have to give up to much forget about it.

Re: DT Stroud on the block!
 

Dude the Raiders just signed this bum to a 7 year $50 million dollar deal!!

They are the dumbest organization in the NFL.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7046]ESPN - Tommy Kelly Stats, News, Photos - Oakland Raiders - NFL Football[/url]

Re: DT Stroud on the block!
 

Maybe we could sign Kearse. When the guy is healthy he can be pretty tuff for O-line men to handle. [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3268857]ESPN - Eagles cut ties with defensive end Kearse - NFL[/url]

Re: DT Stroud on the block!
 

[quote=QBall;427204]Dude the Raiders just signed this bum to a 7 year $50 million dollar deal!!

They are the dumbest organization in the NFL.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7046"]ESPN - Tommy Kelly Stats, News, Photos - Oakland Raiders - NFL Football[/URL][/quote]Given the market value of defensive linemen in the NFL and the uncertainty surrounding the labor agreement, I'd have to say that this is pretty fair market value for a dominant player, such as Kelly's services.

Re: DT Stroud on the block!
 

people said the same thing when the raiders signed Burress. that worked out pretty good. no way to Stroud. we already have enough old lineman. lets look young

Re: DT Stroud on the block!
 

we should change the name of this thread. "oh god another old, probably overpriced player past his prime is available."

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Stroud is 29, is that old?

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I want him daddy Danny!!! I want him!!! Buy him for me!!! Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!

Re: DT Stroud on the block!
 

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;427251]Given the market value of defensive linemen in the NFL and the uncertainty surrounding the labor agreement, I'd have to say that this is pretty fair market value for a dominant player, such as Kelly's services.[/QUOTE]


If you call these career stats dominant and feel 7 years 50 million looks good for him maybe you should work for the Raiders. Wake up brother!!

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7046/career;_ylt=Av0qUv0fzaDNa609_oEaL_P.uLYF]Tommy Kelly - Oakland Raiders - Career Statistics - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Re: DT Stroud on the block!
 

[QUOTE=dmek25;427254]people said the same thing when the raiders signed Burress. that worked out pretty good. no way to Stroud. we already have enough old lineman. lets look young[/QUOTE]

Now I can understand why people would say that about Burgess if you look at his stats on the Eagles. Who would have seen the sack explosion coming? Did you look at these stats first??

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5510/career;_ylt=Av0qUv0fzaDNa609_oEaL_P.uLYF]Derrick Burgess - Oakland Raiders - Career Statistics - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Re: DT Stroud on the block!
 

[quote=Mattyk72;427266]Stroud is 29, is that old?[/quote]

When you're over 300 lbs and injury prone, yes.

Re: DT Stroud on the block!
 

He is a better option than Shaun Rogers