Re: Why the hate towards Fassel?
 

If you had to start with a totally "clean slate", probably not much difference between G Williams, J Fassel or Mooch (Although I would have Mooch as #3).

However, we were not starting with a clean slate. Gibbs brough a certain sense of pride and family to the team. He created the "core Redskins" montra and brought a sense of stability and purpose.

G Williams doesn't have the ideal HC resume (neither do any of the other candidates). But, he was brought here with an implied consideration for being the successor HC, has the support of the players, other coaches and fans. He is the "logical" choice.

Perhaps he made too many demands and let his ego get in the way, but I don't want to speculate too much.

Now, regardless of who becomes our next HC, we can expect alot of on-field changes as well as personnel changes. Back to rebuilding mode just as we were getting ready to reap the benefits of our last rebuild.

Re: Why the hate towards Fassel?
 

I do like Mariucci. I believe you can almost throw out Detroit's win/loss % when you talk about Mariucci b/c no one has won there. I believe they were rebuilding too. He had a good run and i remember liking the way his team responded to him in SF.

Fassel on the other hand reminds me of the HATED Giants. Although probably better than the skins throughout his coaching tenure there, I remember thinking how crappy his NY teams were for the most part and his choices at QB were always questionable. He just reminds me of all of the mediocre Giants teams. Really nothing against him personally. I just keep thinking...The best we can do is Jim Fassel?

Re: Why the hate towards Fassel?
 

Another thing to note in this dilemma is that, Mariucci had VC as his GM and Fassel had a future HOF GM in George Young and Ernie Accorsi.

Re: Why the hate towards Fassel?
 

i think probably the biggest factor contributing to the bias against fassel is what happened last year in baltimore.

the ravens offense was dismal with him making calls. billick fired him, and immediately, the offense improved. the turn around was so noticeable and so instantaneous, one could not help but attribute the improvement directly to fassel (the LACK of fassel, that is).

true fassel is not being considered to be a coordinator here. but after having so recently demonstrated a glaring ineptitude in an assistant role, i think people's hesitance in embracing him as gibb's successor is, at least somewhat, justified.

Re: Why the hate towards Fassel?
 

oops, double post

Re: Why the hate towards Fassel?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;414341]I'm confused myself. On paper both guys are pretty similar, yet as of right now Mariucci has a 70% approval in our poll.

What is the big difference maker between the two?

It's gotta be because Mooch is on TV.[/quote]

mora would also have a higher approval than fassel and mora's not on tv. The other two are likeable guys. Fassel is a fit pitching sourpus who's career is mediocre. At least the other two are likeable mediocre.....

Re: Why the hate towards Fassel?
 

I don't want fassel because:
He coached in the NFC East! No more NFC East coaches, I don't even want their assistants.

He built a solid team but he lost control of it and it tanked the year he got fired. except for the one SB year, his teams were known for blowing leads and losing to crappy teams. He lost in the first round of the playoffs 2 out of 3 times.

He couldn't handle the offensive coordinate job in Baltimore. Billick is one of his best friends and he still was fired midseason! After the firing, The ravens offense improved significantly. He proved to me that he cannot lead an offence, He was stuck in his old ways and Brian Billick had enough and fired him. Sounds too much like Mike Nolan if you ask me.


I'm not a big mariucci fan either. I think he inherited a good team in SF. Mariucci comes from a successful coaching tree. He's had consistent success and is a good motivator.
He was fired after a playoff season because of a power struggle with the Front office.
In detroit, Well it's detroit!

Most importantly, We have to have a smoot and mooch on the same team.

Re: Why the hate towards Fassel?
 

[QUOTE=canthetuna;414379]mora would also have a higher approval than fassel and mora's not on tv. The other two are likeable guys. Fassel is a fit pitching sourpus who's career is mediocre. At least the other two are likeable mediocre.....[/QUOTE]

Mora was Mooch's DC in SF.

Re: Why the hate towards Fassel?
 

[QUOTE=J. Spanky;414373]i think probably the biggest factor contributing to the bias against fassel is what happened last year in baltimore.

the ravens offense was dismal with him making calls. billick fired him, and immediately, the offense improved. the turn around was so noticeable and so instantaneous, one could not help but attribute the improvement directly to fassel.

true fassel is not being considered to be a coordinator here. but after having so recently demonstrated a glaring ineptitude in an assistant role, i think people's hesitance in embracing him as gibb's successor is, at least somewhat, justified.[/QUOTE]This is my main gripe with fassel. I'm already embarassed by the way Snyder has handled this whole thing and Fassel would just be icing on the cake, especially because of where I live.

In a much more unimportant/[I]Blink[/I]-like way, Fassel just doesn't strike me as a great leader. I know this is kind of dumb because it's not based on anything but a visual perception but Fassel carries himself like a big loser IMO. There's just something about him that annoys me but i can't really put my finger on that. He reminds me of an over zealous middle school math teacher who likes to give his students packets of homework on Friday's and who constantly has pit stains.
I think the fact that other people are posting this guy's goofy mug proves that I'm not the only one who felt this gut reaction the moment I heard his name last week.
Maybe it's not even really him though; maybe it's more of the fact that he's NOT Gregg Williams, who I wanted to be named HC right away. It could be that I'm just bitter right now about how the season ended and this is my way of venting.

Re: Why the hate towards Fassel?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;414371]Another thing to note in this dilemma is that, Mariucci had VC as his GM and Fassel had a future HOF GM in George Young and Ernie Accorsi.[/quote]


dont forget mat millen!

Re: Why the hate towards Fassel?
 

[QUOTE=canthetuna;414394]dont forget mat millen![/QUOTE]

I remembered after I typed and was too lazy to edit.

Re: Why the hate towards Fassel?
 

Jim Fassel never had two straight winning seasons on the Giants and his teams were very inconsistent. When Mariucci was on San Fran, his teams were much more consistent. They only did bad when Steve Young's career ended, and then they got good again with Garcia. Fassel and Mariucci are both offensive coaches, but Mariucci's offenses were always better, which is what the Redskins need.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/FassJi0.htm]Jim Fassel Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]
[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/MariSt0.htm]Steve Mariucci Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

Re: Why the hate towards Fassel?
 

Here is why I'm frustrated with all this outcry against Fassel:

Do people act like he is a total "mentally challenged" human being (being PC here ;)) SERIOUSLY, what is he going to do that is SO much more horrible than ANY OTHER COACH IN THIS LEAGUE WOULD HAVE DONE?

GW might have gotten the shaft yes, but what about the fact he was Gibb's right hand man for a few years makes him any less accountable than another coach?

Re: Why the hate towards Fassel?
 

[quote=steveo395;414398][B][I]Jim Fassel never had two straight winning seasons on the Giants and his teams were very inconsistent.[/I][/B] When Mariucci was on San Fran, his teams were much more consistent. They only did bad when Steve Young's career ended, and then they got good again with Garcia. Fassel and Mariucci are both offensive coaches, but Mariucci's offenses were always better, which is what the Redskins need.

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/FassJi0.htm"]Jim Fassel Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL]
[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/MariSt0.htm"]Steve Mariucci Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL][/quote]

Did Gibbs 2.0?

Re: Why the hate towards Fassel?
 

One thing that makes me incredibly wary with coaches, especially since I believe they don't really change the win/loss outcome of games, is when they get fired from a team in which they've been doing a lot of winning.

Why did the 49ers fire Mooch? Why did the Giants fire Fassel? They both had winning records.

That's probably something Danny addresses in the interview process.