Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

[quote=GMScud;892040]You continue to fail to see the line. If a player has a mindset (separate from what coaches are telling him to do) that he's gonna go out and headhunt, that's a whole different story. In that case, it's up to the coach to keep that same fire burning in the player, but coach him up to be smart and not do things that will cost the team, i.e. 15 yard penalties, suspensions, etc.

It's a whole different story when a coach is actually encouraging and paying guys to go try to get someone carted off the field. It's so wrong.[/quote]

I get your point clearly. I have yet to hear ONE player say that Gregg Williams wanted his defensive players to INTENTIONALLY hurt a guy where he wanted them to take a guy out for the sake of ending his career....and then pay them for it. If you hit a guy hard, and it's a CLEAN hit, and he gets carted off the field then guess what? That's football. What Phillip Daniels did back in 05 was great. If he gets extra cash and is praised in front of his co-workers then I'm all for it.

Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

My only issue with all of this is that based on what has been reported this kind of practice seems like it is pretty prevalent across the league. On one hand I understand they're trying to make an example and put this stuff to end immediately. On the other if it is a prevalent as it seems then there is no way way that this isn't something the EVERYONE knew went on. Owners, FOs, League office all the way through In which case it is sorta BS to try and make some giant example out of the Saints and Co. Now if the league ends up making this a "they lied and didn't stop it once we told them to" then I can understand. But if the Skins get major sanctions I am going to be a little pissed off about that.

Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

[quote=skinsfan69;892039]You have a problem with incentive programs at the work place? Ok. Make sure to call the IRS if you get a tax free bonus at your workplace![/quote]

Not sure where you work but my bonuses come with taxes already taken out.

Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

[quote=skinsfan69;892049]I get your point clearly. I have yet to hear ONE player say that Gregg Williams wanted his defensive players to INTENTIONALLY hurt a guy where he wanted them to take a guy out for the sake of ending his career....and then pay them for it. If you hit a guy hard, and it's a CLEAN hit, and he gets carted off the field then guess what? That's football. What Phillip Daniels did back in 05 was great. [B]If he gets extra cash and is praised in front of his co-workers then I'm all for it.[/B][/quote]

Even though it is against the rules? Blatantly so. Oh, and illegal.

Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

[quote=skinsfan69;892049]I get your point clearly. I have yet to hear ONE player say that Gregg Williams wanted his defensive players to INTENTIONALLY hurt a guy where he wanted them to take a guy out for the sake of ending his career....and then pay them for it. If you hit a guy hard, and it's a CLEAN hit, and he gets carted off the field then guess what? That's football. What Phillip Daniels did back in 05 was great. If he gets extra cash and is praised in front of his co-workers then I'm all for it.[/quote]

What do you think taking the head off the snake means exactly?

You really think players were paid for "clean hits" only.

:doh:

Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

[quote=FRPLG;892050]My only issue with all of this is that based on what has been reported this kind of practice seems like it is pretty prevalent across the league. On one hand I understand they're trying to make an example and put this stuff to end immediately. On the other if it is a prevalent as it seems then there is no way way that this isn't something the EVERYONE knew went on. Owners, FOs, League office all the way through In which case it is sorta BS to try and make some giant example out of the Saints and Co. Now if the league ends up making this a "they lied and didn't stop it once we told them to" then I can understand. But if the Skins get major sanctions I am going to be a little pissed off about that.[/quote]

It doesn't happen around the league where more than just players are involved. Skins are going to get nothing but a fine, if that.

Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

[quote=skinsfan69;892049]I get your point clearly. [B]I have yet to hear ONE player say that Gregg Williams wanted his defensive players to INTENTIONALLY hurt a guy where he wanted them to take a guy out for the sake of ending his career....and then pay them for it.[/B] If you hit a guy hard, and it's a CLEAN hit, and he gets carted off the field then guess what? That's football. What Phillip Daniels did back in 05 was great. If he gets extra cash and is praised in front of his co-workers then I'm all for it.[/quote]

I thought the investigation concluded that the bounty program had incentives for getting a guy knocked out of the game or carted off the field. I am sure this had to come from the players themselves.

Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

[quote=Mattyk;892051]Not sure where you work but my bonuses come with taxes already taken out.[/quote]

Must be nice to even get bonuses. I get pay cuts...

Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

[quote=Mattyk;892051]Not sure where you work but my bonuses come with taxes already taken out.[/quote]

I think I speak for all of us when I say...I want Skinsfan69's job

Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

[url=http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-02/sports/ct-spt-0304-bowen-nfl--20120304_1_bounties-head-coach-nfl]Matt Bowen: Bounties are part of the NFL - Chicago Tribune[/url]

[QUOTE]Prices were set on Saturday nights in the team hotel.

In a makeshift meeting room, with the whisper of evening traffic pouring in from the Beltway, we laid our bounties on opposing players. [B]We targeted big names, our sights set on taking them out of the game.[/B][/QUOTE]

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[quote=SmootSmack;892054]It doesn't happen around the league where more than just players are involved. Skins are going to get nothing but a fine, if that.[/quote]

I'm 100% OK with a fair sanction like that...it just needs to be fair. Meaning the league is going to have to spend the next several years probably hunting this crap down across the league going back however many years.

It sounds to me like honestly the league is just pissed they tried to end this quietly and the organization seemed to basically ignore them. I mean Benson told Loomis to stop it and Loomis didn't stop it...yet Loomis has a job still? I know in my job if my boss hauls me into his office and point-blank tells me to do something i either do it or get fired.

Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

[quote=skinsfan69;892049]I get your point clearly. I have yet to hear ONE player say that Gregg Williams wanted his defensive players to INTENTIONALLY hurt a guy where he wanted them to take a guy out for the sake of ending his career....and then pay them for it. If you hit a guy hard, and it's a CLEAN hit, and he gets carted off the field then guess what? That's football. What Phillip Daniels did back in 05 was great. If he gets extra cash and is praised in front of his co-workers then I'm all for it.[/quote]

Dude really? Just stop. How can you even think that paying guys cash bonuses to get a man carted off the field does in no way imply malicious intent?

Going out there with the intent to put a man on a stretcher IS intentionally trying to hurt him. It's so cut and dry, it's baffling that you can't wrap your brain around it.

Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

[quote=SmootSmack;892058]I think I speak for all of us when I say...I want Skinsfan69's job[/quote]

pretty much, especially when bonuses are taxed at a much higher rate. Something like 38%-40%

Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

[quote=skinsfan69;892049][B]I get your point clearly. I have yet to hear ONE player say that Gregg Williams wanted his defensive players to INTENTIONALLY hurt a guy where he wanted them to take a guy out for the sake of ending his career....and then pay them for it. [/B]If you hit a guy hard, and it's a CLEAN hit, and he gets carted off the field then guess what? That's football. What Phillip Daniels did back in 05 was great. If he gets extra cash and is praised in front of his co-workers then I'm all for it.[/quote]

WRONG.

This from Bufffalo:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8275de8b/article/williams-reportedly-also-ran-bounty-system-as-bills-head-coach]NFL.com news: Former Bills safety Wire reveals 'bounty' system under Williams[/url]

[I]Wire [URL="http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article747663.ece"]told The Buffalo News[/URL] in Sunday's editions that "there was financial compensation" for delivering hits that seriously injured opponents, and three other former teammates, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also confirmed it to the newspaper.[/I]

So there you go. There's a player saying guys were paid to deliver hits that "seriously injured opponents."

Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

[quote=GMScud;892062]Dude really? Just stop. How can you even think that paying guys cash bonuses to get a man carted off the field does in no way imply malicious intent?

Going out there with the intent to put a man on a stretcher IS intentionally trying to hurt him. It's so cut and dry, it's baffling that you can't wrap your brain around it.[/quote]

Sometimes people only see what they want to. Maybe you should johnny5dickey him. ;)