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Maybe this answers some questions about why the Skins didn't take Orton the first time during the season....

[url=http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2012/02/09/washington-reportedly-focused-on-qb-kyle-orton/]Washington Reportedly Focused on QB Kyle Orton » NFL Gridiron Gab[/url]

[QUOTE]First Peyton Manning – now Kyle Orton.

Seems like the Redskins are going to do whatever it takes to get a QB, and now reports say the team has serious interest in Orton, who wrapped up the 2012 season with the KC Chiefs after getting released by the Denver Broncos midseason.

According to John Keim of the Washington Examiner, the Redskins were interested in Orton when he was on waivers, but did not claim him. CSNWashington reported it was because of potential locker-room friction with current Redskins and former Bears QB Rex Grossman.

One league source said it was much salary related (Orton would have been owed $3 million for one month’s work). By signing Orton, clearly a cheaper alternative than Manning, it would enable the Redskins to focus elsewhere in the draft – and still have a good chunk of change to spend in free agency.

They likely would still draft a quarterback. If they view Orton as a one or two year guy, then maybe it could work – especially if they upgraded the receiving corps to pair with a less error-prone QB.
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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;883816]Am I the only one who's not the least bit interested in rg3? If he were there at 6, sure. But he's not worth trading up for.[/quote]

Ditto. I'm banking that the Skins fail to make a trade up and RGIII is not there at #6 so the team can trade back for more picks like last yr.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;883809]I honestly think he will get it together here once we get the pieces IE a QB who

is worth a damn. We have seen glimpses of it here at times. He also had alot of

talent to work with in Houston. Once we get that here it will all come together.[/quote]


I'll say this... I think that there was a pretty good reason why Grossman wasn't starting for Houston when they both were there... right?

I agree.. let's judge the Shanny's when we have an actual NFL Starter-Caliber QB in place.

Re: QB Apocalypse: The Seventh Sign
 

[quote=SBXVII;883828]Maybe this answers some questions about why the Skins didn't take Orton the first time during the season....

[url=http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2012/02/09/washington-reportedly-focused-on-qb-kyle-orton/]Washington Reportedly Focused on QB Kyle Orton » NFL Gridiron Gab[/url][/quote]

That all makes sense.

Re: QB Apocalypse: The Seventh Sign
 

I was listening to Bill Pollian today and he said that RG3 is an incredible talent, that fits Shannahan perfectly. He also said that he is as good a prospect as Luck. His comments were that he can throw the ball 60 yards with the flick of a wrist and is incredibly accurate and that he looks like a ripped strong safety. It really got me excited. He also said there is no way he gets past the second pick. Who knows, if he thinks that way maybe the Colts will pick him and trade Luck to us. Either one, would make me happy.

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RG3 could possibly fall to 6 but i feel like after the combine which i think he will shine in he wont slip that far

Re: QB Apocalypse: The Seventh Sign
 

[quote=SBXVII;883828]Maybe this answers some questions about why the Skins didn't take Orton the first time during the season....

[URL="http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2012/02/09/washington-reportedly-focused-on-qb-kyle-orton/"]Washington Reportedly Focused on QB Kyle Orton » NFL Gridiron Gab[/URL][/quote]
I cant believe they want him now and did not pick him up off the waiver wire when he was released.

[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;883833]I was listening to Bill Pollian today and he said that RG3 is an incredible talent, that fits Shannahan perfectly. He also said that he is as good a prospect as Luck. His comments were that he can throw the ball 60 yards with the flick of a wrist and is incredibly accurate and that he looks like a ripped strong safety. It really got me excited. He also said there is no way he gets past the second pick. Who knows, if he thinks that way maybe the Colts will pick him and trade Luck to us. Either one, would make me happy.[/QUOTE]

Colts wouldn't have to trade us luck but I see what ur saying

Re: QB Apocalypse: The Seventh Sign
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;883800]We have to remember as much as us wanting to trade up these teams "Indy, St. Lou, & Minn" IMO want to trade down, everyone wants more picks especially High picks.[/quote]

Uness of course they are interested in RGIII also, then the trade up is moot.

and honestly Indy will not want to trade down. They will not keep Manning for two reasons
1- they don't know if he'll get healthy.
2- they won't want to give up the 28mill if he's not healthy.

So for that alone Indy will want to keep their draft pick and select a franchise QB.

Beyond that all bets are off. With any of the rest I see more upside with RGIII then what they already have and they would be crazy to pass up on him considering none of their QB's have shown they are franchise material as of yet.

Re: QB Apocalypse: The Seventh Sign
 

[quote=T.O.Killa;883833]I was listening to Bill Pollian today and he said that RG3 is an incredible talent, that fits Shannahan perfectly. He also said that he is as good a prospect as Luck. His comments were that he can throw the ball 60 yards with the flick of a wrist and is incredibly accurate and that he looks like a ripped strong safety. It really got me excited. He also said there is no way he gets past the second pick. Who knows, if he thinks that way [B]maybe the Colts will pick him and trade Luck to us. Either one, would make me happy.[/B][/quote]

I'm going to sound like an idiot (which maybe I've already presented myself as one) but how can the Colts pick RGIII with the #1 pick and still trade Luck to us (the Skins)?

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[quote=T.O.Killa;883837]I cant believe they want him now and did not pick him up off the waiver wire when he was released.[/quote]

[quote]One league source said it was much salary related (Orton would have been owed $3 million for one month’s work).[/quote]

They are basically saying that if the Skins picked up Orton he would be due 3 mill for one months work and Grossman would have been upset because he didn't get that kind of money.

In other words the locker room would not have been a happy place or so they thought.

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[quote=SBXVII;883774]#1-Ok, you say the team needs to .... stay the course? how do you not know that the course is to pick up PM?

#2- You make a huge arguement as to why the team should not take a Vet QB, and elude to the fact that the course is drafting a young QB.

#3- Then you mention signing Orton. Orton? Not that I'm wanting it but we might as well stick with Grossman since the production level would not be that much better.

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#1 My argument/hope is that the "course" is to AVOID PM at all costs.
#2 I feel that Redskins MUST take a vet FA QB; we just need to avoid PM and associated risk.
#3 I dont mention signing Orton; the Washington Post made that argument. The Washington Examiner (John Keim) has written a similar piece on Orton.

Re: QB Apocalypse: The Seventh Sign
 

[quote=SBXVII;883843]I'm going to sound like an idiot (which maybe I've already presented myself as one) but how can the Colts pick RGIII with the #1 pick and still trade Luck to us (the Skins)?[/quote]

The 3-way trade mentioned here before...

Something like...

Skins get #1 pick
Colts gets #2 pick and other picks
Rams get #6, picks, and Orakpo

Is that right? Wasn't that the idea?

Re: QB Apocalypse: The Seventh Sign
 

On a change of pace, Peyton Manning is working out at Duke now, i'm sure many of you have heard already.

Bill Pollian paints a grim picture though of what Manning actually looks like these days. He said he isn't even close to his old form. Peyton also cannot throw to the left, and he cannot throw across his body because of the nerve damage he can't feel it.

Receivers also say that Peyton doesn't have any zip on the ball, his arm is basically gone.

Dang i can't believe he would try and come back and play if he is that damaged. I knew his arm was suspect after the surgeries, but i had no idea he basically has gotten no better over the last 18 months.

I guess this is the way he is going to be. Can't beleive some team is going to sign him if he is that bad.

Somebody that is more knowledgeble than me, would the Redskins still try and sign Manning if he is just a shell of his former self? (and most accounts have him looking that way).

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Former Colts vice chairman and six-time executive of the year Bill Polian said without hesitation Thursday on SiriusXM Blitz that a report of Payton Manning’s arm strength is not accurate.

Polian refuted comments made Wednesday by Indianapolis Star reporter Bob Kravitz on Tony Kornheiser’s radio show, calling them simply “untrue.” He went further, saying that he saw Manning throw on New Year’s Eve and Manning showed, "quick release, good zip, but it was capped at about 25 yards.”