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[quote=Grim21Reaper;271372]He just beat Mr. Freeze, that is what he won. He was better than Brady today. Mr. Freeze had several chances to "ice" the game and he blew it. I guess he isn't as great as most of the posters in this thread claim.[/quote]

Your right, I will agree with you on this, Manning was the better QB today, but there has been far to many other times when Brady has been the better QB for me to say that Peyton is the superior player

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;271376]Your right, I will agree with you on this, Manning was the better QB today, but there has been far to many other times when Brady has been the better QB for me to say that Peyton is the superior player[/quote]

Careerwise there is no comparison (at the moment) but if the Pats think that they can win championships with Jabar Gaffney, Caldwell, and 75 year old Troy Brown, Brady will never win another.

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[quote=wilsowilso;269959]You honestly think Dan Marino is a better quarterback because of his stats?[/quote]

marino had the big numbers because the dolphins never had a running game when he was there.marinio was a good qb,and sure hall of famer,but i would take favre,brady,warner,and a couple other qbs over marino any day!

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;271377]Careerwise there is no comparison (at the moment) but if the Pats think that they can win championships with Jabar Gaffney, Caldwell, and 75 year old Troy Brown, Brady will never win another.[/quote]

What happened to Chad Jackson, they appearently got a steal when he slid to them in the second round this year, maybe we can trade back with them so they can pick up dwayne jarret

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[quote=wolfeskins;271353]the refs missed an obvious pass interference against the colts that would have given the patriots 1st and goal from the 1 yard line. and that roughing the passer call.that was horrible.[B] i think it was pretty obvious the refs were told by the nfl to help pretty peyton finally get to the big show.[/B] but never the less congrats to the colts and peyton manning.[/quote]


you are kidding, right? The pouting pats have been the luckiest team ive ever seen. A good team, ofcoarse, but ive never seen luck go to a team as much as to them, especially in the post season.

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That was a great game. Great to see mr. iceman thaw out. I just wish the saints had a little more today, well i guess alot more, but it looks to be a great superbowl.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;271336]uh, the beloved Iceman has been pretty damn good so far, oh wait, does Peyton need another Rhodes fumble recovered for a TD by a lineman[/quote]You are completely and utterly retarded.

Brady got a touchdown in the first half the exact same way. Did you watch the game?

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[quote=SkinEmAll;271389]you are kidding, right? The pouting pats have been the luckiest team ive ever seen. A good team, ofcoarse, but ive never seen luck go to a team as much as to them, especially in the post season.[/quote]That may have been the luckiest 6 quarter stretch through the first half of this game I've ever seen.

Unlike last week, their luck ended up evening out. I'm not going to say the best team won, but this game could have gone either way and I'm happy with the outcome.

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Brady played very well today. Very efficient day, best performance of the playoffs for him so far. He didn't make the Patriots D break down.

Peyton Manning did.

The ultimate outcome wasn't shocking to me, it was just a very exciting well played game. I think this goes a long way to tear down Brady's fabricated image as unbreakable and Manning's fabricated image as a choker. Both are very good QBs, and Manning's still better. He's not better because of what he did today, he's better for what he's been doing his whole career.

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Tom Brady put up 27 points offensivley. Give me a break. He is probaboly the best quarterback in football because he wins. That is all that matters. People act like they got blown out, Brady is better than probaboly any quarterback in the history of our franchise (I really can comment on Baugh/Jurgenson, so I could be wrong there), I dont understand why people hate him just because he is good. (I by the way, wanted Manning to win, but people blaming Tom Brady for this are off their rockers)

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;271374]What? Manning led his team down the field to win the game with a few minutes left. Brady had several chances to end the game and then threw an INT to end it. Better leader?[/quote]


Yea Brady is without a doubt a better leader then Manning, IMO thats really what has been holding Manning back from winning big. Manning has one good game after the last two he played where he threw what 7 picks? Brady was coaching other players out there and is striving a team to victory. Look what Brady has to work with compared to Manning with his 2 pro bowl recivers and Clark. No comparison.

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[quote=Redskin;271416]Yea Brady is without a doubt a better leader then Manning, IMO thats really what has been holding Manning back from winning big. Manning has one good game after the last two he played where he threw what 7 picks? Brady was coaching other players out there and is striving a team to victory. Look what Brady has to work with compared to Manning with his 2 pro bowl recivers and Clark. No comparison.[/quote]

You can make the argument that Mr. Freeze is a better leader but you would have to exclude yesterday's game from the discussion.

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[quote=Redskin;271416]Yea Brady is without a doubt a better leader then Manning, IMO thats really what has been holding Manning back from winning big. Manning has one good game after the last two he played where he threw what 7 picks? Brady was coaching other players out there and is striving a team to victory. Look what Brady has to work with compared to Manning with his 2 pro bowl recivers and Clark. No comparison.[/quote]
I strongly disagree with this post. Manning is an excellent leader. He's the one who calls the plays, reads the defenses, audibles out of plays at the line of scrimmage, he is CONSTANTLY communicating with his team when he is on the field. Brady has a mastermind coach in Bellichick telling him what to do. And I don't want to take away from Dungee, but Mannning is the one who run's the offense, he gets to make a lot of big decisions that most QBs don't get to make.
Tom Brady is coaching players out there? Of course he's going to have to give brand new receivers some advice, what quarterback wouldn't do that, I mean, they're in a brand new system.
Ok, Manning has two great receivers, but in my opinion, until this year, Brady is the one who's team has been loaded with weapons. Every year they won the superbowl, he's had one of the BEST defenses in the league, why Manning's defenses have been average to below average. Brady's offensive line has always outplayed Manning's in past battles, plus it's not like Brady has had slouches at receiver in the past until this year. Plus, their TE Watson is just as good as Clark is.
Back to the defense again, just think about how the Pat's defenses were loaded with great players: Seymore, Bruschi, Harrison, Vrabel, McGinnest, and Law. See, once the Pat's dont have those players and the talent level overall is more even, COLTS WIN!
I guess my bottom line is that Tom Brady has been instrumental in winning 3 superbowls, but not anymore instrumental than the Pat's stingy defenses and great coaching. And as proved yesterday and last year in the Bronco's loss in the playoffs, when they don't have Charlie Weiss, Romeo Cornell, Ty Law, McGinnest, Harrison, Branch and Givens, Tom Brady is mortal.

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Brady has more poise than Manning. I value that more than anything else. Yes, even more than stats! :doh:

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;271387]What happened to Chad Jackson, they appearently got a steal when he slid to them in the second round this year, maybe we can trade back with them so they can pick up dwayne jarret[/quote]

I was wondering the same thing. I don't think he slid to the 2nd round either. He just can't crack the line-up. I know he was playing on teams. I'm sure Jackson will get in the lineup more next year. Perhaps NE will realize they have a great QB and go out and get a WR in free agency. Or, and this is just my opinion, but perhaps NE just doesn't put a lot of value on WR's.