Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1351762]I really would like to see EB as interim HC tomorrow, then let the ownership determine the next step over the last games. I know a lot of criticism goes to EB, but he came into an offense with a shit OLine, a 5th rounder as a starting QB, and no defense to support the offense.

I am okay if he is gone after the end of the season, but I think Rivera just needs to go, and EB would be the right guy to lead the last part of the season.[/QUOTE]


Said this a while ago. Make EB the HC and just see how the team responds. Ron is certainly gone, and so is JDR. Maybe EB isn’t the guy but if the new ownership is wondering than why not let him have a chance? It certainly can’t hurt.

The Sam Howell Thread
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1351764]Howell doesn't need EB, he can do it on his own, he's proven it.[/QUOTE]


How has he proven that? Is he calling the plays? Dude is gonna be a stud but he isn’t Peyton Manning yet.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1351767]How has he proven that? Is he calling the plays? Dude is gonna be a stud but he isn’t Peyton Manning yet.[/quote]

Agree. Bieneimy hasn't proven squat. I'd remove him as well if I was changing staffs.

EDIT: I read the initial post incorrectly.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1351767]How has he proven that?[/quote]

Last year with Turner (one game) college and HS. Kid has it, he can work with any OC. EB needs to learn about the running game, till then I can't take him serious as an OC.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1351770]Last year with Turner (one game) college and HS. Kid has it, he can work with any OC. EB needs to learn about the running game, till then I can't take him serious as an OC.[/QUOTE]


Any quarterback who ever played one snap in the NFL proved it in highschool and college. You can’t compare that to the pros. Last year was one game like you said so…

EB and Howell are a good team. He is a pass first guy. Our offense has shown up most of the year. What he needs desperately is an oline that can give the passing game time to develop. We are not able to throw deep most of the time.

I have absolutely no problems with the direction of the offense- they just need to upgrade the line. It is an easy fix.

The defense however is an absolute dumpster fire from the coordinator down to almost every player minus roughly 4 of them.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Sam is 217 yards away from 3K yards passing, he could get close to 4500-5000 yards with 7 games remaining. 17 TD's 9 int's.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1351782]Sam is 217 yards away from 3K yards passing, he could get close to 4500-5000 yards with 7 games remaining. 17 TD's 9 int's.[/QUOTE]


And that’s with a bad OL…


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Glass Half full or empty ??

At least we have a New Owner .. highly probable Franchise QB , at least one Good Reciever.. a couple Nice RB’s .. a pro bowl punter .

Maybe 4 guys on D we possibly build around ..

We need complete coaching change .. for sure !!

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Seattle doubled Jon Allen in pass pro and it took away our entire pass rush. Huge difference in our new DE starters who are easily blocked one-on-one. If we had a DC we could have game planned a variety of blitzes to compensate. Oh, well...

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Howell is The Guy.

We're lucky because Howell as a young guy (only 23, younger than Michael Penix Jr) on a cost-controlled contract combined with stable ownership, plenty of cap space, several day 2 draft picks, a weaker NFC, and a big media market in DC will make this job highly-coveted for all the hotshot GM and HC candidates this year.

We could set ourselves up for 10+ years of a great staff on the football ops side because Howell (and other factors) draw in top talent.

Let's build around this kid and go make some noise in the postseason next year. Oh, and for the love of god, give him an extension after the 2024 season and don't make the same mistake we did with Cousins.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1351767]How has he proven that? Is he calling the plays? Dude is gonna be a stud but he isn’t Peyton Manning yet.[/quote]

I'm sure he wouldn't be calling telegraphed bullshit runs oh you know, 10 times per game only.

Give #14 any decent OC available he'd do just as.good if not better than he already has been... sans OL troubles but better OCs would account for that.

EB is expendable, Sam it not.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Ordering my Howell jersey for Christmas

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

The D scheme is broke .. Why do we have to watch this the rest of year ??

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=Chico23231;1351819]Ordering my Howell jersey for Christmas[/quote]

Make sure you get the one with the commemorative Jiffy Lube patch on it

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

The D scheme is broke .. Why do we have to watch this the rest of year ??

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=rocnrik;1351830]The D scheme is broke .. Why do we have to watch this the rest of year ??[/quote]

You may wanna put this in the post game thread as this thread is dedicated to Howell.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=PorkSkins;1351831]You may wanna put this in the post game thread as this thread is dedicated to Howell.[/quote]

My bad .. thanks

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Its crazy but Sam Howell is litteraly carrying this franchise, he's playing at a CJ Stroud level but Stroud has better WRs than we do. Tank Dell and Nico Collins are LEGIT.

The Sam Howell Thread
 

[QUOTE=Meks;1351809]I'm sure he wouldn't be calling telegraphed bullshit runs oh you know, 10 times per game only.

Give #14 any decent OC available he'd do just as.good if not better than he already has been... sans OL troubles but better OCs would account for that.

EB is expendable, Sam it not.[/QUOTE]


I disagree. I know it isn’t the popular opinion but if Sam had time and the deep routes could develop nobody would be complaining about running the ball. It would actually open up the run.

Nobody complained about Don Coryell not running enough lol. I hope we become an absolute beast of a passing team with EB and Sam.

Ill also point again to KC’s offense. They have scored 30 points twice this year. Do not be so quick to get rid of EB. A better line will help take the top off defenses and open up the run.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1351841]I disagree. I know it isn’t the popular opinion but if Sam had time and the deep routes could develop nobody would be complaining about running the ball. It would actually open up the run.

Nobody complained about Don Coryell not running enough lol. I hope we become an absolute beast of a passing team with EB and Sam.

Ill also point again to KC’s offense. They have scored 30 points twice this year. Do not be so quick to get rid of EB. A better line will help take the top off defenses and open up the run.[/quote]

My argument to this is what did the Chargers ever win? They sure had some really good teams back then, Coryell was a great coach, but they could never close the deal.

When you have an offense like this, sure it's great for numbers and all, but you are going to have days where passing the ball isn't going work- it could be that your opponent has a great rush, weather, injuries...

There are some exceptions of course but having a pass first at all cost offense generally does not mean winning a SB.

Sam is good enough to work w/ another OC. That is the least of my worries.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1351841]I disagree. I know it isn’t the popular opinion but if Sam had time and the deep routes could develop nobody would be complaining about running the ball. It would actually open up the run.

Nobody complained about Don Coryell not running enough lol. I hope we become an absolute beast of a passing team with EB and Sam.

Ill also point again to KC’s offense. They have scored 30 points twice this year. Do not be so quick to get rid of EB. A better line will help take the top off defenses and open up the run.[/quote]

Not running enough? Did you forget Chuck Muncie

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

EB isn’t the problem. He’s a pass first OC and we all knew that. He’s making the games fun to watch at the very least


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1351845]EB isn’t the problem. He’s a pass first OC and we all knew that. He’s making the games fun to watch at the very least


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]

When you don’t have a balanced offense, it is a problem especially when you have 3 capable RB’s. He needs to use them like that drive were he went 4 straight runs.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

12 rush attempts by our backs yesterday in the rain. 51 yards

25 by Seattle ... just over 100 yards

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

He will run it more I’m thinking but he also trusts Sam to be a dude and he has been. BRob has been very good too. Maybe EB doesn’t think the OL is good enough to run the ball much.. idk


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

12 rush attempts by our backs yesterday in the rain. 51 yards

25 by Seattle ... just over 100 yards

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1351848]He will run it more I’m thinking but he also trusts Sam to be a dude and he has been. BRob has been very good too. Maybe EB doesn’t think the OL is good enough to run the ball much.. idk


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]


They aren’t and they aren’t good enough in pass pro either. Defenses don’t respect them and they stack the box. Need to have a threat of a deep ball so they back off. Will help the pass and run game.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[QUOTE=Meks;1351851]12 rush attempts by our backs yesterday in the rain. 51 yards

25 by Seattle ... just over 100 yards[/QUOTE]


And yet the defense lost the game. 26 (27 with the ep) should be enough to win the game. Idc how they score 27 points.

The Sam Howell Thread
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1351842]My argument to this is what did the Chargers ever win? They sure had some really good teams back then, Coryell was a great coach, but they could never close the deal.

When you have an offense like this, sure it's great for numbers and all, but you are going to have days where passing the ball isn't going work- it could be that your opponent has a great rush, weather, injuries...

There are some exceptions of course but having a pass first at all cost offense generally does not mean winning a SB.

Sam is good enough to work w/ another OC. That is the least of my worries.[/QUOTE]


Sam is clicking and id hate to introduce him to his third offense in 3 years. Hopefully a new HC will lean on EB to balance the attack.

Im not denying the fact that he shys away from the run but if we had any semblance of a defense we would probably have 7 wins right now or more and this wouldn’t be an issue.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

It's hard to separate coaching issues from personnel issues. But here are a few things about Bieniemy's O this year that leave me underwhelmed:

1) our WRs are not getting separation. Even Turner could scheme guys open near every play but he was stuck with Heinicke's noodle arm.

2) the running game. I don't mind being pass heavy, or even super pass-heavy. I also don't mind using the quick game as a substitute for the run game. But our line doesn't block that well in the screen game, either. And many of our designed runs this year have been out of shotgun, which I HATE. We have a big, bruising back in BRob and a line that doesn't run block very well. So why are we running out of shotgun where the back generates less momentum and takes more time to get to the line? Our OL are already losing their blocks by then. If you're going to run out of shotgun, use more RPOs.

3) very few adjustments before halftime.

4) inability to start the right linemen for what, 7 games? Sam taking all those hits and sacks was criminal.

My hot take here is: I genuinely wonder what the O would look like if we kept Scott Turner but gave him a real QB in Howell. Turner wanted to unleash the pass game, too, and did just that in Wentz's first start against Jacksonville. Then he crashed and burned, we went to Heinicke who doesn't have an arm, and Turner resorted to what we ended up with. His other big flaw was marrying the pass game and the run game in terms of game flow, but we just straight up don't run the ball these days, anyway.

Turner lost the locker room so he had to go. But the fact EB yells a lot or whatever isn't prima facie an upgrade. Howell would make a lot of O coordinators look good.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1351855]Sam is clicking and id hate to introduce him to his third offense in 3 years. Hopefully a new HC will lean on EB to balance the attack.

Im not denying the fact that he shys away from the run but if we had any semblance of a defense we would probably have 7 wins right now or more and this wouldn’t be an issue.[/quote]

EB will either be the HC here next season or coaching offense/HC somewhere else. I just don't see a HC coming in and not bringing someone with him that he has worked with himself. Could be wrong, but I don't see him staying at OC here.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=CapsCommies;1351864]It's hard to separate coaching issues from personnel issues. But here are a few things about Bieniemy's O this year that leave me underwhelmed:

1) our WRs are not getting separation. Even Turner could scheme guys open near every play but he was stuck with Heinicke's noodle arm.

2) the running game. I don't mind being pass heavy, or even super pass-heavy. I also don't mind using the quick game as a substitute for the run game. But our line doesn't block that well in the screen game, either. And many of our designed runs this year have been out of shotgun, which I HATE. We have a big, bruising back in BRob and a line that doesn't run block very well. So why are we running out of shotgun where the back generates less momentum and takes more time to get to the line? Our OL are already losing their blocks by then. If you're going to run out of shotgun, use more RPOs.

3) very few adjustments before halftime.

4) inability to start the right linemen for what, 7 games? Sam taking all those hits and sacks was criminal.

My hot take here is: I genuinely wonder what the O would look like if we kept Scott Turner but gave him a real QB in Howell. Turner wanted to unleash the pass game, too, and did just that in Wentz's first start against Jacksonville. Then he crashed and burned, we went to Heinicke who doesn't have an arm, and Turner resorted to what we ended up with. His other big flaw was marrying the pass game and the run game in terms of game flow, but we just straight up don't run the ball these days, anyway.

Turner lost the locker room so he had to go. But the fact EB yells a lot or whatever isn't prima facie an upgrade. Howell would make a lot of O coordinators look good.[/quote]

this maybe our first quality new member in 5 years, welcome

he has brought more to the site in a day and 7 post then all of Giantone's post

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Per Keim:

Sam Howell leads the NFL with 788 yards and six touchdown passes in the fourth quarter. He has the ninth highest QBR in the fourth quarter (and second in number of times sacked).

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=mredskins;1351870]this maybe our first quality new member in 5 years, welcome

he has brought more to the site in a day and 7 post then all of Giantone's post[/quote]

Lol thanks man, I appreciate it. Glad to be here with a lot of OGs.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=mredskins;1351870]this maybe our first quality new member in 5 years, welcome

he has brought more to the site in a day and 7 post then all of Giantone's post[/quote]

Checks my own join date:

[IMG]https://media.tenor.com/cLetGkWay2YAAAAC/whew-relief.gif[/IMG]

And yes, welcome you Commie bastard (CapsCommies). And LOL at G1.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

I don't think I'd have a problem with EB being HC, I just don't know where he'd get a staff from. And you're right, if a new HC comes in he's likely not going to keep EB. Either way Howell likely has a new OC next year.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1351879]Checks my own join date:

[IMG]https://media.tenor.com/cLetGkWay2YAAAAC/whew-relief.gif[/IMG]

And yes, welcome you Commie bastard (CapsCommies). And LOL at G1.[/quote]

Thank you, sir. Awaiting the day the team name gets changed again and I fork over the cash to change my user title. Until then, Commies it is.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

A good QB needs a Good and consistent OC. Letting EB go could screw with Sam

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1351872]Per Keim:

Sam Howell leads the NFL with 788 yards and six touchdown passes in the fourth quarter. He has the ninth highest QBR in the fourth quarter (and second in number of times sacked).[/quote]

He also has 24 Big time throws which leads the NFL

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1351887]A good QB needs a Good and consistent OC. Letting EB go could screw with Sam[/quote]

Forcing a new HC to retain an old OC is a lot more risky than Howell not being able to handle learning a new offense.

Harris hires GM, GM hires HC and scouting department, HC hires coaching staff.

That has to be the only order. Otherwise, we're doing it ass-backwards Snyder style right off of the bat.