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Good points..it’s a terrible situation. I think the one thing that’s been extremely disappointing is the Ukraines has been planning for this for years and have defensive lines on the east that have blunted the offensive from the Russians after they re organized, but it hasn’t been enough to to stop them.

Obviously I want the Ukraines to overcome

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1318114]This! This is not a Russia / NATO issue, it is a UN and international rule of law issue. The UN should have a role in forcing Russia to accept the international norm, unfortunately it is looking more like the league of nations then a foundation for a world that abides by international law.[/quote]

Why is anyone shocked by this?

My god strategically Europe, especially the Germans fucked themselves. The Germans were laughing several years ago when told to remove themselves from Russian energy, Trump was right again

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1318114]This! This is not a Russia / NATO issue, it is a UN and international rule of law issue. The UN should have a role in forcing Russia to accept the international norm, unfortunately it is looking more like the league of nations then a foundation for a world that abides by international law.[/quote]

Unfortunately the UN is similar to the League of Nations in its effectiveness in enforcing international law. Only on the rare occurrence when all five of the permanent members of the Security council agree (or in the case of Korea the one that would have vetoed was absent) is it effective.

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[quote=Chico23231;1318115]Good points..it’s a terrible situation. I think the one thing that’s been extremely disappointing is the Ukraines has been planning for this for years and have defensive lines on the east that have blunted the offensive from the Russians after they re organized, but it hasn’t been enough to to stop them.

Obviously I want the Ukraines to overcome[/quote]

The Russians are literally using soldiers of all ranks as canon fodder. There is a cheap android (probably iPhone too) game called art of war where the computer keeps adding minion attackers until it overwhelms you, something like a 100 to 1 ratio. That is effectively what Russia is doing. As to Ukraine preparing for it, they weren't able to buy western weapons or train with western militaries (for good reasons) so they only have their Soviet style equipment, which the west cannot resupply (different calibers/training etc). The Ukrainian strategy has been to hold ground and buy time until it has access to and is trained on the equipment from the west. They have done that effectively. Once they have the artillery, and more importantly the quantity of artillery shells, the game will change. Russia knows this, that is why they are shelling indiscriminately, to force a quick capitulation. But Ukraine clearly isn't doing that.

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[quote=Chico23231;1318116]Why is anyone shocked by this?

My god strategically Europe, especially the Germans fucked themselves. The Germans were laughing several years ago when told to remove themselves from Russian energy, Trump was right again[/quote]

PLEASE, I BEG, don't make this another Trump thread. 10's of thousands of Ukrainians are butchered, 100's of thousands dislocated. This is all about Putin's desire to be the next Peter the Great. And his willingness to do anything to achieve it.

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[quote=nonniey;1318117]Unfortunately the UN is similar to the League of Nations in its effectiveness in enforcing international law. Only on the rare occurrence when all five of the permanent members of the Security council agree (or in the case of Korea the one that would have vetoed was absent) is it effective.[/quote]

I actually wondered why the UN hasn't found a backhand way to do a similar absentee vote to enable something to be done. The UN charter clearly shows the Russians to be in violation.

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[quote=Chico23231;1318116]Why is anyone shocked by this?

My god strategically Europe, especially the Germans fucked themselves. The Germans were laughing several years ago when told to remove themselves from Russian energy, Trump was right again[/quote]

You mean the man who held up aid to Ukraine that could have help them just to blackmail them into getting something on Biden's kid?

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/03/lysychansk-luhansk-russia-ukraine-war/[/url]

Russia claimed Sunday that its forces and their separatist allies captured Lysychansk, the last major Ukrainian in the Luhansk region

Luhansk Oblast now fully lost.

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[quote=Chico23231;1318123][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/03/lysychansk-luhansk-russia-ukraine-war/[/url]

Russia claimed Sunday that its forces and their separatist allies captured Lysychansk, the last major Ukrainian in the Luhansk region

Luhansk Oblast now fully lost.[/quote]

Not really, The media has made every city sound like the strategic drop dead point. The better source is the one our own Nonniey pointed us to. [url]https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-2[/url]

[IMG]https://understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Luhansk%20Battle%20Map%20Draft%20July%202%2C2022.png[/IMG]

There is a major area of land that is part of the Luhansk region. The Ukrainians were smart to pull a strategic withdrawal now that they have longer range artillery.

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After 27 days the Eastern front line has barely changed, and there are signs that the Russian southern front may collapse. The US should absolutely remove the prohibitions and restrictions and let Ukraine fight the war to win. If they could take out the facilities in Belgorod and the missile launch sites up near Kharkiv, the Russians would be in far worse shape than they already are.

[IMG]https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Donetsk%20Battle%20Map%20Draft%20July%2029%2C2022.png[/IMG]

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Not sure if this time lapse gif will work, but the amount of territory that changed sides in the course of all this shelling is about the size of the dc-balt-annapolis triangle. A lot of death on Putin's head. And a lot like WWI
[IMG]https://s4.gifyu.com/images/6olgu6.gif[/IMG]
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Izyum to Bakhmut is 60 miles.
Middle River (just north of Baltimore, and where I work) to Alexandria is 58 miles.
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Middle River to the Naval Academy is 39 miles,
Bakhmut to Sieverodonetsk is 39 miles.

Can you imagine if the town names we were hearing were Crofton, Laurel, Glen Burnie, Oxon Hill. That is the equivalent of what Russia's military is slogging against, and barely moving the line over 5 months.


[URL="https://gifyu.com/image/SNBnq"]https://gifyu.com/image/SNBnq[/URL]

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[url]https://twitter.com/i/status/1554824362699542531[/url]

A bus driver refuses to carry a Russian soldier who lost two legs in the war in Ukraine. With English subtitles. - " What about the Nazi's, they eat children!" OMG what are Russian soldiers being told???

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Ravil Maganov, the chairman of the board of Lukoil — the second-largest oil company in Russia — died amid mysterious circumstances Thursday, according to The Daily Beast.

State-owned news outlet Tass quoted sources that said he fell from a sixth-floor hospital window in Moscow. Tass later added that Maganov took his own life by jumping, according to the BBC.

The 67-year-old joins a substantial roster of Russian bankers and oil and gas executives who have died under suspicious circumstances this year. [B]Lukoil’s billionaire ex-manager Alexander Subbotin was found dead of an apparent heart attack in the home of a shaman in Mytishchi in May[/B], according to Newsweek. Tass reported that voodoo rituals occurred at the home and that Subbotin was intoxicated when he died.

[B]Leonid Shulman — an executive at Russia’s third-largest bank, Gazprombank — was found dead at his Leningrad cottage in January of an apparent suicide[/B], according to the New York Post.

The next month,[B] former Gazprombank executive Alexander Tyulyakov was found hanged in his St. Petersburg garage. Former vice president of Gazprombank, Vladislav Avayev, was found dead in April of a gunshot wound next to his wife and daughter at their Moscow home.[/B] Authorities said they suspected the incident was a murder-suicide.

One day later, [B]Sergei Protosenya[/B] — the wealthy ex-manager of Russia’s second-largest gas producer, Novatek — [B]was found hanged in a Spanish villa. His wife and daughter were found dead with stab wounds.[/B] Investigators theorized the incident a murder-suicide as well.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-oil-chief-dies-fall-135226214.html[/url]

London (CNN Business)Russia's second largest oil company has broken ranks with President Vladimir Putin.
Lukoil, which produces more than 2% of the world's crude oil and employs over 100,000 people, has called for an end to Russia's war in Ukraine.
The company's board of directors said in a statement to shareholders, staff and customers that it was "calling for the soonest termination of the armed conflict."

"We express our sincere empathy for all victims, who are affected by this tragedy. We strongly support a lasting ceasefire and a settlement of problems through serious negotiations and diplomacy," the board added.

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/04/business/lukoil-end-war/index.html[/url]



I imagine they said bad things about Putin behind is back ... no idea what Lukoil was thinking putting out that statement in May

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Ukraine whooped Russia's northern tail this week. The Russian forces north of Donbass region left in a true rout, retreating all the way to the Russian side of the border( roughly a 70 to 100 km backwards trek). There are also reports of Russian troops retreating about 15 km in the south near Kherson - though unconfirmed so far.

Putin is getting criticized by St Petersburg politicians and the war hawks on Telegram. The question is how far will Putin and his military leadership go to save face?

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Ukraine has pushed a massive counteroffensive in the country's northeast and southern regions.

The advancement has forced Russian soldiers to flee their positions, some even in civilian clothes.

Some Ukrainian troops say they've been overwhelmed by how much ammo and weaponry was left behind.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-troops-fleeing-lines-were-145605114.html[/url]

Im just amazed that Zelensky is still alive and Kiev stands. I thought Russia would control the skies in a matter of days, take out surface to air defenses and just stroll into the capital.

I was and still am worried that Putin will just fire some major missles at cities randomly.

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[quote=SunnySide;1321536]Ukraine has pushed a massive counteroffensive in the country's northeast and southern regions.

The advancement has forced Russian soldiers to flee their positions, some even in civilian clothes.

Some Ukrainian troops say they've been overwhelmed by how much ammo and weaponry was left behind.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-troops-fleeing-lines-were-145605114.html[/url]

Im just amazed that Zelensky is still alive and Kiev stands. I thought Russia would control the skies in a matter of days, take out surface to air defenses and just stroll into the capital.

I was and still am worried that Putin will just fire some major missles at cities randomly.[/quote]

Putin starting to feel pressure



[url]https://www.cityam.com/nervous-kremlin-faces-growing-efforts-from-all-sides-within-russia-to-topple-putin-as-coup-rumours-swell-in-moscow/[/url]

[B]Nervous Kremlin faces growing efforts from all sides within Russia to topple Putin as coup rumours swell in Moscow[/B]

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This is getting interesting.


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Tectonic shifts’: How Putin’s war will change the world A former CIA leader imagines Russia, NATO and China in 2023 — and how the war in Ukraine will change them all.


[url]https://www.grid.news/story/global/2022/04/01/tectonic-shifts-how-putins-war-will-change-the-world/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Paid&utm_campaign=TW-Paid-Putin-Changed-World&twclid=2-1e2w8rfwanke2tl34mj1b4k5l[/url]

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98% "voting" to join Russia .. I thought for sure itd be the old North Korea 103% voting thing.

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Gas is pouring into the Baltic Sea from three separate leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, Denmark’s energy agency confirmed on Tuesday, amid claims by seismologists in Sweden and Denmark of two sharp spikes in undersea activity, possibly indicating explosions, and speculation about possible sabotage.

A seismograph on the Danish island of Bornholm, near where the leaks occurred, twice recorded spikes on Monday, the day on which the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines underwent dramatic falls in pressure, the German geological research centre GFZ said.

A Danish military flight over the leaks brought back striking images from the ruptures, including one showing an area of bubbling gas a kilometre wide on the sea’s surface.

The seismograph recorded near-silence until just after midnight GMT (2am local time), when there was a spike representing a tremor in the earth followed by a continuous hissing wave form. The pattern was repeated at 5pm GMT.

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/27/nord-stream-1-2-pipelines-leak-baltic-sabotage-fears[/url]


Still blown away that there is an actual traditional, almost trench warfare, land war going on in 2022.

Thought for sure it would be all jamming, air control and air defense ... not moving 200k troops through the mud and crossing bridges.

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[quote=SunnySide;1323536][IMG]https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/VPNm9m1Qts3CKBRiDh3zAA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTYwMDtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/0CWvFyIBZy7EFKWXdlgTxg--~B/aD0xNTYzO3c9MjUwMDthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_telegraph_258/e54e0f4559c605c6eb87722f357db597[/IMG][/quote]

I don't think they did it, but Ukraine is the one with the motive for cutting the pipeline. That said Russia has lost it's mind so they probably were the real culprits and decided to cut off their nose to spite their face. Guess it is now a full embargo on Russian gas by Europe.

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That guy in the back looks like he's saying this wasn't my choice. This sucks.

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This whole thing has been nothing short of an absolute embarrassment for Putin. But he's a spineless little bitch, so he will never admit as much. So another countless number of people will die for no reason.

I don't think this thing ends until a Russian puts a bullet to his brain. But I don't think this is that far off.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1323547]This whole thing has been nothing short of an absolute embarrassment for Putin. But he's a spineless little bitch, so he will never admit as much. So another countless number of people will die for no reason.

I don't think this thing ends until a Russian puts a bullet to his brain. But I don't think this is that far off.[/quote]

Some here in the US think he is smart!



[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-calls-putin-smart-praises-xi-ruling-china-iron-fist-2022-9[/url]

Trump compliments 'fierce' and 'smart' Putin and applauds Xi Jinping for ruling China with an 'iron fist'

Speaking at a rally in Pennsylvania, Donald Trump praised Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping.
He called both leaders "fierce," adding that Xi is "smart" to rule China with an "iron fist."
Xi and Putin have troubling records of human rights abuse.

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Anyone else starting to get that creeping feeling they should stock up their basement with water, toilet paper, canned goods and rice?

I kinda am.

Article after article on this nuclear stuff.

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trump JHC!


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/gma/rick-scott-responds-trumps-death-193200402.html[/url]

TAL AXELROD
Sun, October 2, 2022 at 3:32 PM
Florida Sen. Rick Scott, a member of Republican leadership in the upper chamber, said Sunday that he does not "condone violence" after Donald Trump lashed out at Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell and suggested McConnell had a "death wish"-- but Scott stopped short of condemning the former president.

Trump, in a post on his Truth Social website last week, wrote that McConnell must have a "death wish" after supporting a continuing resolution to fund the federal government.

[B]Trump went on to criticize McConnell's wife in racist terms, writing that he should "seek help and advise [sic] from his China loving wife, Coco Chow!" Trump was referring to Elaine Chao, who is Taiwanes[/B]e. Chao served as Trump's transportation secretary until she resigned after Jan. 6
WTF?

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[quote=SunnySide;1323663]Anyone else starting to get that creeping feeling they should stock up their basement with water, toilet paper, canned goods and rice?

I kinda am.

Article after article on this nuclear stuff.[/quote]

Won't help , if it starts we are all done.

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so nutty they are just a proxy state and we are supposed to feel bad for them. big z did his people dirty. this has been on the cards for a long time.

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[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/02/us/politics/russia-ukraine-nuclear-weapons.html[/url]

[url]https://www.dailywire.com/news/top-russian-military-leaders-discuss-options-for-using-nuclear-weapons-in-ukraine-report[/url]

Top Russian Military Leaders Discuss Options For Using Nuclear Weapons In Ukraine: Report

Top Russian military officials have reportedly discussed in recent days when and how to use tactical nuclear weapons against Ukraine, should the Kremlin give the order to do so.

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Welp, what’s the play? Put up or shut up?

Russian missiles cross into Poland during strike on Ukraine, U.S. official tells AP

[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/15/us-official-russian-missiles-crossed-into-poland-killing-2-.html[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1329432]Welp, what’s the play? Put up or shut up?

Russian missiles cross into Poland during strike on Ukraine, U.S. official tells AP

[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/15/us-official-russian-missiles-crossed-into-poland-killing-2-.html[/url][/quote]

Article 4 (not 5) meeting tomorrow. Ramstein group meeting tomorrow as well.

I think at most that NATO announces a missile shield extended over Lviv to prevent future "accidents".

Ukraine still knows they stand basically alone in the major battles, and they will fight till the end.

Hopefully we see German Leopard tanks, and longer ranged ATACM missiles delivered, along with quicker air defense unit deliveries.

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Hopefully someone poisons Putins vodka before he starts WW3

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Several GOP hardliners refused to clap, stand or even attend when Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy addressed Congress on Wednesday.

Reps. Lauren Boebert, R-Colo.; Matt Gaetz, R-FL, both refused to clap for Zelenskyy when he entered the floor for his speech, and Andrew Clyde, R-FL, also refused to participate in at least one ovation for the president.

Meanwhile, Rep. Thomas Massie, R-KY, did not even attend the speech, despite being in Washington at the time.

"I’m in DC but I will not be attending the speech of the Ukrainian lobbyist," he wrote on Twitter.

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-hardliners-refuse-clap-stand-zelenskyy-ukrainian-president-asks-more-money[/url]

These people are just slime

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Ukraine's President Zelenskyy addressed Congress on Wednesday and got multiple standing ovations.

Reps. Lauren Boebert and Matt Gaetz were seen seated and on their phones through one of them.

Both are vocal opponents of US military aid for Ukraine, and want to block future payments.

Reps. Lauren Boebert and Matt Gaetz stayed seated and did not applause as other lawmakers gave a standing ovation for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy when he addressed Congress

[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/video-boebert-gaetz-ignore-zelenskyy-ovation-in-congress-check-phones-2022-12[/url]

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[quote=SunnySide;1333311]Several GOP hardliners refused to clap, stand or even attend when Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy addressed Congress on Wednesday.

Reps. Lauren Boebert, R-Colo.; Matt Gaetz, R-FL, both refused to clap for Zelenskyy when he entered the floor for his speech, and Andrew Clyde, R-FL, also refused to participate in at least one ovation for the president.

Meanwhile, Rep. Thomas Massie, R-KY, did not even attend the speech, despite being in Washington at the time.

"I’m in DC but I will not be attending the speech of the Ukrainian lobbyist," he wrote on Twitter.

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-hardliners-refuse-clap-stand-zelenskyy-ukrainian-president-asks-more-money[/url]

These people are just slime[/quote]

I don't have a problem with people not clapping. The Ukraine thing is a tough situation, I think there are valid arguments to be made against all of the money we have and continue to give them and the job he's done as their president.

But not appearing or standing up is just trying to be the cool kid. Hey look at me, I'm still sitting down looking at my phone. That's just posturing, trying to stick out and make you feel impressed by yourself.

To not appearing at all, that's ridiculous. This is your fucking job. Unless you have a valid reason to not be there, get your ass to work.

I'm not familiar with Clyde, but it's always the same people doing this type shit. Grow the fuck up.

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Valid arguments to be made [B]against[/B] the job Zelensky has done as a president?

We given 50B to Ukraine this year, and a lot of that was equipment and training. Not cash money.

Trump gave farmers 51.2 BILLION in 2020 even though the farmer net income increased 4% that year. Thats just vote buying.

52 BILLION per year to stay in Afghanistan .. and yall wanted us to stay in afghanistan

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But yeah pearl clutch when an ally of ours is being killed and an entire country is being invaded

Go ahead and be anti ukraine since dems are pro ukraine

"but but but .. now we care about the budget and deficit .."

Shut the fuck up donny

[IMG]https://media.tenor.com/E7eXzyeGChMAAAAM/seinfeld-stiller.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=SunnySide;1333325]Valid arguments to be made [B]against[/B] the job Zelensky has done as a president?

We given 50B to Ukraine this year, and a lot of that was equipment and training. Not cash money.

Trump gave farmers 51.2 BILLION in 2020 even though the farmer net income increased 4% that year. Thats just vote buying.

52 BILLION per year to stay in Afghanistan .. and yall wanted us to stay in afghanistan

----

But yeah pearl clutch when an ally of ours is being killed and an entire country is being invaded

Go ahead and be anti ukraine since dems are pro ukraine

"but but but .. now we care about the budget and deficit .."

Shut the fuck up donny

[IMG]https://media.tenor.com/E7eXzyeGChMAAAAM/seinfeld-stiller.gif[/IMG][/quote]

We given 50B to Ukraine this year, and a lot of that was equipment and training. Not cash money.

[COLOR="Red"]It still cost us 50 billion dollars. Doesn't really matter what form the money turns into. Me personally, I don't think there are any good options dealing with a lunatic like Putin. But I'd rather it be our money than our soldiers. So I haven't been complaining about this. But I think you could make arguments against spending all of this money on Ukraine. In regards to Zelenskyy, he has been President since May 2019. Russia didn't invade until this year. I was talking about his presidency as a whole, not saying he has done a bad job in regards to Russia specifically.[/COLOR]

Trump gave farmers 51.2 BILLION in 2020 even though the farmer net income increased 4% that year. Thats just vote buying.

[COLOR="red"]I don't support this. I don't think the federal government should be subsidizing any private businesses/industries.
[/COLOR]
52 BILLION per year to stay in Afghanistan .. and yall wanted us to stay in afghanistan

[COLOR="red"]I absolutely did not want us to stay in Afghanistan!!!!!![/COLOR]

My main point I was trying to make was, that even if I absolutely hated Zelenskyy and our handling of Ukraine, if I was in congress, I'd still go to this and stand the fuck up, then listen like an adult.

P.S.

- I am not anti-Ukraine
- I have always cared about the budget and deficits.

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[quote=Giantone;1333318][IMG]https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/GFys9WnuAW5kxkmGLusigg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTM1Mw--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/insider_articles_922/2f748526feb23d2280bdb3fecdb25df4[/IMG]

Ukraine's President Zelenskyy addressed Congress on Wednesday and got multiple standing ovations.

Reps. Lauren Boebert and Matt Gaetz were seen seated and on their phones through one of them.

Both are vocal opponents of US military aid for Ukraine, and want to block future payments.

Reps. Lauren Boebert and Matt Gaetz stayed seated and did not applause as other lawmakers gave a standing ovation for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy when he addressed Congress

[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/video-boebert-gaetz-ignore-zelenskyy-ovation-in-congress-check-phones-2022-12[/url][/quote]

Trash, low class, bush league, childish, immature, etc etc

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1333327]

P.S.

- I am not anti-Ukraine
- [B]I have always cared about the budget and deficits[/B].[/quote]

yes you always have.

Cheers SD and merry christmas my man

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[quote=SunnySide;1333335]yes you always have.

Cheers SD and merry christmas my man[/quote]

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