Re: Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

[quote=Ruhskins;904161]As talented as Luck is, he has no talent whatsoever around him...except maybe Reggie Wayne. The Colts have no running game, their o-line stinks, and so does their defense. It will be interesting to see what he is able to do with such a meh roster.[/quote]

It sounds like Luck, if drafted by Indianapolis, will be in the same no win situation that Colt McCoy has been facing the past few years. It's a good thing that the Colts have a chance to rebuild their roster through the draft and take advantage of the fact that they can select a promising prospect early in every round of the draft. Maybe Luck can manage Sam Bradford's 7-9 rookie record.

Re: Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

[quote=30gut;904076]My point was never that Griffin should be taken over Luck that was the point you were arguing against.
My argument is that its a legitimate question.

And taking a pot shot at Gil Brandt's credibility? Tisk, tisk.
The man has forgotten more about football then most scouts/GMs out there he's one of the more universally respected people in scouting.

Re: Dungy being a defensive coach
I think were above being argumentative?
But, Dungy having actually played college QB himself and coaching Peyton Manning and being a former DC that actually games plan against these QBs has to count more in his favor then against it.[/quote]

I didn't take a shot at Brandt's credibility, I basically said if he had outright declared RG3 the number 1 QB prospect after a workout which took place the day before Luck's it would have undermined his credibility. But he didn't do that which leaves his credibility in tact.

As for Dungy, you got me, stupid defensive guy card.

Re: Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

[quote=Ruhskins;904161]As talented as Luck is, he has no talent whatsoever around him...except maybe Reggie Wayne. The Colts have no running game, their o-line stinks, and so does their defense. It will be interesting to see what he is able to do with such a meh roster.[/quote]
I don't know about Luck have no talent whatsover.
They've got Wayne, Collie and Donald Brown.
Their pass protection is decent they gave up fewer sacks and Football Outsider rates them 18th in pass protection rating which is middle of the pack.
I agree that their OL doesn't run block very well but then again they also didn't run the ball very much.
I think their offense suffered greatly from having Curtis Painter under center for the bulk of the season.
Dan Orlovsky isn't anyone to write home about, but there offense looked much better with Dan under center then Painter.

Re: Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;904354]As for Dungy, you got me, stupid defensive guy card.[/quote]That Dungy doesn't know anything about QBs! ;)

Re: Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

[url=http://walkingdeadmanblog.blogspot.com/2012/03/mike-polk-jr-is-at-it-again.html]IT IS WHAT IT IS...........: Mike Polk Jr. Is At It Again!!!![/url]

He's back.

Re: Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

Loved our second week of free agency. We did: absolutely nothing except prep for the draft and re-open negotiations with Fletcher.

And that's a move in the right direction. No Meriweather or Cedric Griffin signings this week.

Re: Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;904740][url=http://walkingdeadmanblog.blogspot.com/2012/03/mike-polk-jr-is-at-it-again.html]IT IS WHAT IT IS...........: Mike Polk Jr. Is At It Again!!!![/url]

He's back.[/quote]

he is a classic. good stuff.

Re: Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

[quote=GTripp0012;904794]Loved our second week of free agency. We did: absolutely nothing except prep for the draft and re-open negotiations with Fletcher.

And that's a move in the right direction. No Meriweather or Cedric Griffin signings this week.[/quote]

care to elaborate?

Re: Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

Anyone see where the Browns are possibly going to take Tannehill @ #4 now? ESPN also put up a statistic on QB's taken in the first round in the last 15 years with highest number of INT's........

Rex Grossman @15, Tim Couch @ 15, Patrick Ramsey @ 13, JP lossman @14 and Matty Ryan @ 19.

Kinda, sad that we had two of the QB's on that list and the Browns had the other. The rest of the league did ok.......lol

Re: Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

[quote=Gtothearry;905297]Anyone see where the Browns are possibly going to take Tannehill @ #4 now? ESPN also put up a statistic on QB's taken in the first round in the last 15 years with highest number of INT's........

Rex Grossman @15, Tim Couch @ 15, Patrick Ramsey @ 13, JP lossman @14 and Matty Ryan @ 19.

Kinda, sad that we had two of the QB's on that list and the Browns had the other. The rest of the league did ok.......lol[/quote]

I'm not totally sure but I get a bit of a Big Ben vibe off Tannehill. Not as a person but rather as an afterthought that could go on to be special. Then again I would really bank on it.

Re: Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;905299]I'm not totally sure but I get a bit of a Big Ben vibe off Tannehill. Not as a person but rather as an afterthought that could go on to be special. Then again I would really bank on it.[/quote]

He could turn out great but I think he is a big reach @ #4. I'd be fearful of his "potential" not developing as most say. He only has a handfull of games and ya never know how potential will mature.

I guess the same could be said for RGIII and Luck as well though. However, I like that they have a little more to judge them on.

Re: Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

Tannehill started more D1 games than Cam Newton so it is not like he is lacking tape or even perhaps some necessary experience.

I think Tannehill is going to be very good. I think if you are QB-hungry you could do worse than taking him at #4. As Parcells said, better a round early (or in this case just a few picks early) than a pick too late.

Re: Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

[quote=Gtothearry;905301]He could turn out great but I think he is a big reach @ #4. I'd be fearful of his "potential" not developing as most say. He only has a handfull of games and ya never know how potential will mature.

I guess the same could be said for RGIII and Luck as well though. However, I like that they have a little more to judge them on.[/quote]

Kiper and McShay predict that Tannehill will be a successful NFL quarterback. The fact that he only has 19 starts on the NCAA division 1 level might actually turn out to be a good thing. From the youtube videos I've seen of him, he's not that far behind Luck or Griffin III in terms of talent and ability. With the right coaching, he could be Joe Montana II.

Re: Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft
 

[quote=REDSKINS4ever;905793]Kiper and McShay predict that Tannehill will be a successful NFL quarterback. The fact that he only has 19 starts on the NCAA division 1 level might actually turn out to be a good thing. From the youtube videos I've seen of him, he's not that far behind Luck or Griffin III in terms of talent and ability. With the right coaching, he could be Joe Montana II.[/quote]

IMO opinion it's to early to tell how good/great/bad everyone of them will be no matter how excited I get over drafting RG3/LUCK. Tannehill has the least amount of work to grade so with him it's even harder.

The best weapon we can give our new qb is a very good offensive line.