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[quote=Dirtbag59;885538]The thing I hate about Griffin is his name. Well not the name itself but the fact that there's at least 3 or 4 common ways to identify him (RGIII, RG3, Robert Griffin, Robert Griffin III, That guy from Baylor). Makes searching for rumors on the guy all the more difficult.[/quote]

I vote for RG Tres!

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As if we needed more names.

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How about R. Griffin the 3rd or Rob Griff III or RG to the third power.

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Argee Three!

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;885556]How about R. Griffin the 3rd or Rob Griff III or RG to the third power.[/quote]

R threezy?

RG Trois, RG to the third power, RG cubed, Arrrrrrgh G3 (pirate name)

Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G.

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I like the pirate name, Ruh.

also

RGRGRG

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[quote=Lotus;885566][B]I like the pirate name, Ruh.[/B]

also

RGRGRG[/quote]

I'll second that. If you don't mind I'm going to start using that now on the boards. :D

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Ok so now on the NFL network PManning is so bad off and can't throw a ball at all that, and it's being reported by the NFL Network, that Irsay is expected to ask PManning to "Restructure" his contract so they can keep him on the team.

Now, I could care less if we get him or if we don't. I've said it before I'd prefer any QB (Vet) that is not going to cost the Skins draft picks and is an upgrade from Grossman/Beck. My choice is Flynn, he's young, healthy, has not taken too many hits, has been in the NFL a few yrs, has not been let go by several teams and moved around a lot which speaks volumes to GB liked him and wanted to keep him or they would have dumped him for another QB. But who knows maybe GB resigns him also? Probably not.

But... my point is apparently the Colts don't think PM is done either or they wouldn't be trying to resign him. That's for you folks who said PM is done because the Colts are moving on from him.

[QUOTE=SBXVII;885584]Ok so now on the NFL network PManning is so bad off and can't throw a ball at all that, and it's being reported by the NFL Network, that Irsay is expected to ask PManning to "Restructure" his contract so they can keep him on the team.

Now, I could care less if we get him or if we don't. I've said it before I'd prefer any QB (Vet) that is not going to cost the Skins draft picks and is an upgrade from Grossman/Beck. My choice is Flynn, he's young, healthy, has not taken too many hits, has been in the NFL a few yrs, has not been let go by several teams and moved around a lot which speaks volumes to GB liked him and wanted to keep him or they would have dumped him for another QB. But who knows maybe GB resigns him also? Probably not.

But... my point is apparently the Colts don't think PM is done either or they wouldn't be trying to resign him. That's for you folks who said PM is done because the Colts are moving on from him.[/QUOTE]

Geez; what a day makes

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Flynn is a system QB though. I doubt he'd work here.

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[quote=Lotus;885504]To me, if the plan was for Peyton to stay in Indy, we would have heard different things from both Peyton and Irsay in the last few weeks than we have heard. SS is correct - what we've heard is political jousting so that both sides can save face in a divorce.[/quote]

I think the reason you havent heard anything out of Indy is because the Super Bowl was there and the NFL didnt want anything to overshadow that event. Now twith the combine coming up again I dont think the NFL will want anything to overshadow that. This is the week I really expected to hear something because there are no big NFL events in Indy.

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Flynn's 6 tds against Detroit was a fluke. Go back and watch the tape.

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[quote=irish;885598]I think the reason you havent heard anything out of Indy is because the Super Bowl was there and the NFL didnt want anything to overshadow that event. Now twith the combine coming up again I dont think the NFL will want anything to overshadow that. This is the week I really expected to hear something because there are no big NFL events in Indy.[/quote]

My point was that we HAVE heard things from the Colts but not the things that we would hear if Peyton were likely to stay there.

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I'm not totally sure about this, so I'm trying to find out (Canuck you out there?), but I'm not even sure the Colts can restructure his contract without releasing him.

Since Manning signed his new contract within this league year I'm pretty sure he has to wait until the league year is over before a new contract can be signed. But that might be a fine distinction between renegotiate and restructure

But if that is the case, then what are they going to do? Pay him the $28M bonus and then restructure? That wouldn't make sense. They'd be more likely to release him and then enter the fray with everyone else in trying to sign him

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[quote=diehardskin2982;884072]Let's have a direct discussion. If you're the Redskins who do you pick? Why? Do you pay the King's Ransom for the 2nd pick to pick the Hesiman trophy winner? Should you lure the former MVP and use the draft/ free agency to build a team around him.

You can't pick both as Rich Tandler has pointed out

Great offseason discussion![/quote]

Can't imagine the look on your faces when the redskins go ahead with a third choice.

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So you're not hearing anything new from the Indi or Manning camps?

I had a hard time believing that Manning and Indi would actually split. It seemed Indi. was committed to Manning to the end of his career. Guess not. I am with SS and Lotus - if PM was staying a Colt, we would be hearing almost nothing or a much more mutual "Of course PM is staying". I haven't heard much more from PM other than "I'd like to stay a Colt" with the implication he won't be.

The pundits seem to have universally assumed Manning is out the door. Is there anyone saying he will be staying in Indi?

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[quote=iamsrk;885608]Can't imagine the look on your faces when the redskins go ahead with a third choice.[/quote]

McCoy and Shipley right?

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[quote=SmootSmack;885612]McCoy and Shipley right?[/quote]

I believe it will end up being McCoy and Tannenhill but voted RGIII because of the options it is the better. I think RGIII is a pipe dream but it would be great. I really don't want Manning.

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[quote=SmootSmack;885606]I'm not totally sure about this, so I'm trying to find out (Canuck you out there?), but I'm not even sure the Colts can restructure his contract without releasing him.

Since Manning signed his new contract within this league year I'm pretty sure he has to wait until the league year is over before a new contract can be signed. But that might be a fine distinction between renegotiate and restructure

But if that is the case, then what are they going to do? Pay him the $28M bonus and then restructure? That wouldn't make sense. They'd be more likely to release him and then enter the fray with everyone else in trying to sign him[/quote]

I think you are correct, the Colts cannot restructure the contract, they either have to pay him the 28 mil and restructure or release him.

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SS, based on what you know (and maybe you have already answered this), what do you think the percentages are for the following ([I]i.e.[/I] 40% chance we get Manning; 40% RGIII; 10% Orton; 2% No Change):

PM and developmental 2nd tier QB;
PM and pass on developmental;
RGIII by trading;
RGIII 'cause he falls to us;
Orton and developmental
Other journeyman QB and developmental
Other

Not sure if you can even divide it that way, really just looking - based on your sources, your evaluation of them and of the situation - what you believe are the most likely scenarios are.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;885620]SS, based on what you know (and maybe you have already answered this), what do you think the percentages are for the following ([I]i.e.[/I] 40% chance we get Manning; 40% RGIII; 10% Orton; 2% No Change):

PM and developmental 2nd tier QB;
PM and pass on developmental;
RGIII by trading;
[B]RGIII 'cause he falls to us;[/B]
Orton and developmental
Other journeyman QB and developmental
Other

Not sure if you can even divide it that way, really just looking - based on your sources, your evaluation of them and of the situation - what you believe are the most likely scenarios are.[/quote]

While this is a possibility, I would say that this is really hard to predict. It would take something unexpected to happen such as one of the teams above making an unexpected move or RG3 doing/saying something during the combine that affects his draft status.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;885620]SS, based on what you know (and maybe you have already answered this), what do you think the percentages are for the following ([I]i.e.[/I] 40% chance we get Manning; 40% RGIII; 10% Orton; 2% No Change):

PM and developmental 2nd tier QB;
PM and pass on developmental;
RGIII by trading;
RGIII 'cause he falls to us;
Orton and developmental
Other journeyman QB and developmental
Other

Not sure if you can even divide it that way, really just looking - based on your sources, your evaluation of them and of the situation - what you believe are the most likely scenarios are.[/quote]

Oh man, that's really tough to answer. Let's see. I'll base it on pies. With 5 being very likely

PM and developmental 2nd tier QB: 3 Pies

PM and pass on developmental: 1 Pie

RGIII by trading: 2 Pies to #2/ 3 Pies to #3/ 4 Pies to #4

RGIII 'cause he falls to us: 1 Pie

Orton and developmental: 1 Pie

Other journeyman QB and developmental: 4.5 Pies (depends on what you see as journeyman, but this is what I most likely see happening)

Other: As in stay the course? 1 Pie

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[quote=SmootSmack;885627]Oh man, that's really tough to answer. Let's see. I'll base it on pies. With 5 being very likely

PM and developmental 2nd tier QB: 3 Pies

PM and pass on developmental: 1 Pie

[B]RGIII by trading: 2 Pies to #2/ 3 Pies to #3/ 4 Pies to #4[/B]

RGIII 'cause he falls to us: 1 Pie

Orton and developmental: 1 Pie

Other journeyman QB and developmental: 4.5 Pies (depends on what you see as journeyman, but this is what I most likely see happening)

Other: As in stay the course? 1 Pie[/quote]

Hmmm... So you are saying that they are now showing a greater interest in RG3. Not sure if that is good or bad...

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Greater interest? Um, well I'd say that the further down the board he goes the easier it would be to acquire him. But I mean we won't really know the answer to that until draft day, and by then we'll have possibly added one or two QBs in FA anyway

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[quote=SmootSmack;885627]Oh man, that's really tough to answer. Let's see. I'll base it on pies. With 5 being very likely

PM and developmental 2nd tier QB: 3 Pies

PM and pass on developmental: 1 Pie

RGIII by trading: 2 Pies to #2/ 3 Pies to #3/ 4 Pies to #4

RGIII 'cause he falls to us: 1 Pie

Orton and developmental: 1 Pie

[B]Other journeyman QB and developmental: 4.5 Pies (depends on what you see as journeyman, but this is what I most likely see happening)[/B]

Other: As in stay the course? 1 Pie[/quote]

If MS does this and we have a losing season, then I would be fine with him being fired at the end of the season.

Also, what pies are you talking about here? Apple? Pecan? LOL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;885631]If MS does this and we have a losing season, then I would be fine with him being fired at the end of the season.

[B]Also, what pies are you talking about here? Apple? Pecan? LOL.[/B][/quote]

I would assume Boston Cream Pies aka the King of all pies.

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[quote=Ruhskins;885631]If MS does this and we have a losing season, then I would be fine with him being fired at the end of the season.

Also, what pies are you talking about here? Apple? Pecan? LOL.[/quote]

Key Lime, Sweet Potato, and Apple

What if he trades up for RG3 and we have a losing season?

What if he gets Manning and Tannehill and we have a losing season?

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fur

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Thanks SS.

In terms of "Other Journeyman", I was thinking of Hoyer or Flynn. Someone who could come in and be the presumed starter while our draftee sits for a few games, maybe the year if necessary.

Outside of Flynn, Hoyer (who I thought was being considered only as a back-up) who else do you consider? Henne? Josh Johnson or Clausen (I thought they were only being considered as back up material). Really, not sure who else is out there that could step in and start.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;885636]Thanks SS.

In terms of "Other Journeyman", I was thinking of Hoyer or Flynn. Someone who could come in and be the presumed starter while our draftee sits for a few games, maybe the year if necessary.

Outside of Flynn, Hoyer (who I thought was being considered only as a back-up) who else do you consider? Henne? Josh Johnson or Clausen (I thought they were only being considered as back up material). Really, not sure who else is out there that could step in and start.[/quote]

MARK SANCHEZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!

But seriously yeah I think someone like Hoyer starts here. Or at least is given every chance to start. So i still think you could see a trade for Hoyer/draft Foles (just tossing that name out there as an option) and those are your 2 new QBs vying for the starting spot with Hoyer having the edge.

Haven't heard anything about Henne. Hear they're not interested in Flynn. Johnson is kind of being considered but I don't think it's so serious. Clausen definitely being considered but not as a starter

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[quote=SmootSmack;885634]Key Lime, Sweet Potato, and Apple

What if he trades up for RG3 and we have a losing season?

What if he gets Manning and Tannehill and we have a losing season?[/quote]

Mmmmmm pie.

Anyway, good questions. To me a journeyman QB and a developmental QB are basically going in the same direction as we did last year in terms of that position. MS' willingness to go into the season with a question mark at QB to me is a bigger risk than PM or RG3. And regardless of how it happens, if he has a losing season with a journeyman QB, I just don't see how he keeps his job.

If we trade up to get RG3, I actually expect the possibility of having a losing season. However, I feel that making this move would be heading in the right direction, especially if the team shows improvements in the offense. I think this would warrant another year of MS to see how he is able to improve a rookie QB.

If we lose with Manning, my opinion would depend on how we lost. If we have a losing season because MS/KS would not adjust their gameplan to PM, then the Shanahans should be fired. If we have a losing season b/c someone overlooked something in regards to PM's health (i.e. we sign him when he is not healthy), then that would be unexcusable and someone should get fired over that.

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Bringing in Clausen would solve one of the needs the team has had the last two years, which would be having someone Mike trusts on the roster at quarterback at the end of the season who can play meaningful minutes in a lost season, who is under contract for the next season.

Beck was that guy this year, but as the calendar turned to December, nobody wanted to play him. Clausen has low stock, but he's 25, and do we really know that he's a worse player than Bradford? I certainly suspect he is, but he would seem for the world to be the much better investment of the two.

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[quote=Ruhskins;885639]Mmmmmm pie.

Anyway, good questions. [B]To me a journeyman QB and a developmental QB are basically going in the same direction as we did last year[/B] in terms of that position. MS' willingness to go into the season with a question mark at QB to me is a bigger risk than PM or RG3. And regardless of how it happens, if he has a losing season with a journeyman QB, I just don't see how he keeps his job.

If we trade up to get RG3, I actually expect the possibility of having a losing season. However, I feel that making this move would be heading in the right direction, especially if the team shows improvements in the offense. I think this would warrant another year of MS to see how he is able to improve a rookie QB.

If we lose with Manning, my opinion would depend on how we lost. If we have a losing season because MS/KS would not adjust their gameplan to PM, then the Shanahans should be fired. If we have a losing season b/c someone overlooked something in regards to PM's health (i.e. we sign him when he is not healthy), then that would be unexcusable and someone should get fired over that.[/quote]

Don't see who the "developmental" guy was last year. Crompton? He was just a late addition bargain pickup. I get your point, but if the developmental guy is drafted high, i.e. 1st or 2nd round, I think (& hope) there is still some room for patience, especially if they finish the season strong and/or the developmental qb gets some time & looks good late in year.

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[quote=freddyg12;885647]Don't see who the "developmental" guy was last year. Crompton? He was just a late addition bargain pickup. I get your point, but if the developmental guy is drafted high, i.e. 1st or 2nd round, I think (& hope) there is still some room for patience, especially if they finish the season strong and/or the developmental qb gets some time & looks good late in year.[/quote]

I just don't want a mediocre journeyman to be our best option at QB. And you are right, there was no developmental QB last year, but still I don't want some mediocre QB to be our best option (and that's what happened last year). Also, I feel that MS needs to do something that makes sense and looks promising next season, because he wasted two years on a washed up McNabb and pinning his hopes on mediocre/backups at best QBs.

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Neither. I say if RGIII doesn't fall to 6th, then trade down, add more picks, draft DeCastro and then Tannehill in the 2nd round plus whatever other pick we get if a trade is possible.

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I say we try and get RG3 and not wait to see if he falls to us. I know it is a risk but this guy is a special talent. In order to get a reward you have to take a risk, Im tired of being an alright team and i do not want another year with a quarterback from another team that is just ok or alright.

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[quote=DC Tailgate;885587]Flynn is a system QB though. I doubt he'd work here.[/quote]

Just wondering everytime I hear this....

GB-WCO
Skins-WCO

Yes there are some small differences but WCO is a WCO and MS knows the original since he worked in it in San Fran. In any event I don't see how he wouldn't work out but thats me.

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[quote=TexSkins;885599]Flynn's 6 tds against Detroit was a fluke. Go back and watch the tape.[/quote]

Ok, I'll take the fluke. Detroit has a stout defense. He moved the ball well. He made good decisions. Thats not Detroit thats him. On top of that saying it was a fluke is to say the whole Detroit team had a really bad day and sucked. Which is why Flynn did so well.

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