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^^^ [QUOTE] 3. However, let us continue to be rational and maintain our scorn for both sides of this mess. Remember, these guys are arguing over how to split ANNUAL revenues of $9B+ - - and that is money that comes from the fans. Realize they could still have a work-stoppage over how to split up OUR money. [UN\

The split is obviously the crux of this entire debacle which has been plain to see from the very beginning. $800 million is a wide disparity.

[url=http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/nflnewsfeed/2011/03/mark-maske-the-nfl-players.html]NFL News Feed: NFLPA presses owners for more financial data - Leonard Bernstein[/url]

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;788312]So WTF more does Smith want.This guy is starting to piss me off. He asked for something the NFL said ok here look then he says no thanks still not good enough. I swear to god a deal better happen by Friday or I'm taking this into my own hands. I'll show them!!![/quote]

Listening to Demaurice Smith this morning he said the league offered to show two numbers. 1) the total profit of the league (i.e. 9 bil) 2) the total number of teams w/ declining profit (i.e. 9).

These numbers werent going to be broken down or supported in any way, just a peice of paper with 2 numbers on it.

He said if the league lists 9 teams w/ declining profit that number could and would include teams that made 249 mil this past season compared to 250 mil the year before.

He said they got more info from a Forbes 3 page article than the one page with 2 numbers the league offered.

The league did not offer to show each teams individual profits, numbers or anything of the sort.

He also said the NFLPA will not budge from their 50-50 offer until they get real disclosure that supports the league's position that teams are losing money (i.e. audited books from each team and league)

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One thing for sure; All the big guns are finally in the same room.

[QUOTE]various Twitter feeds:

Also going in with Kessler was @DeSmithNFLPA and Pete Kendall.
NFLPA outside counsel Jeffrey Kessler has entered the FMCS building.

Roger Goodell, Art Rooney, Joe Banner and Clark Hunt just got out of Escalade, walked into FMCS.

Expected among those from NFLPA today: Dawkins, Waters, Batch, Saturday, Morey, Bennett, McFarland, Kendall, Foxworth ...

NFL general counsel Jeff Pash, outside counsel Bob Batterman have arrived at FMCS.

Sign of critical stage: Jerry Jones, Jerry Richardson, Pat Bowlen, Mark Murphy, Mike Brown, Dean Spanos scheduled to be in Washington today.
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[quote=Longtimefan;788421]^^^ [QUOTE] 3. However, let us continue to be rational and maintain our scorn for both sides of this mess. Remember, these guys are arguing over how to split ANNUAL revenues of $9B+ - - and that is money that comes from the fans. Realize they could still have a work-stoppage over how to split up OUR money. [UN\

[B]The split is obviously the crux of this entire debacle which has been plain to see from the very beginning.[/B] $800 million is a wide disparity.

[url=http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/nflnewsfeed/2011/03/mark-maske-the-nfl-players.html]NFL News Feed: NFLPA presses owners for more financial data - Leonard Bernstein[/url][/quote]

Are you saying it's about the money? I'm shocked to hear that! [U]Shocked[/U], I tell you!

There are way too many chiefs involved on the owners' side for the split to have been quickly resolved. The owners can't even resolve the issue of how their revenues are to be distributed among themselves. It seems that capitalist billionaires become confused when they attempt to practice socialism among themselves. Then, throw in the players' demands and it becomes a real mess.

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[quote=SmootSmack;788329][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-rookiewagescale030911]Sources: Agreement reached on rookie scale - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

According to this article though, no parameters have been set and clarity has not been completely established.

[url=http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/nfl_talks_hit_snag_as_clock_ticks_e0UG6EVfs5UcgTBI30yHwM]NFL talks hit snag as clock ticks - NYPOST.com[/url]

[QUOTE] There were reports quoting anonymous sources that the sides had agreed on the framework of a rookie wage scale, but both Smith and Pash denied that last night. [UN\

ps/ with so many issues and so much discussion, there's a go-round and it's not merry.

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Midnight tonight:

[url=http://www.nypost.com/video]Videos[/url]

Sorry guys! I think this link is inoperable. It's posting a series of videos but. not the one I particularly had in mind.

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I've been blissfully (and intentionally) burying my head in the sand about this whole mess, figuring they can't all be this collectively arrogant and STUPID not to figure this out but it appears I was wrong.. Looks like we're going to see decertification, litigation and postponement of the beginning of the regular season. Goodell is going to get crushed at the draft every time he steps to the podium to announce a pick. Morons.

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[quote=Paintrain;788448]Goodell is going to get crushed at the draft every time he steps to the podium to announce a pick.[/quote]

I bet you're right. Must-see TV. :D

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Boy, Adam Schein had a huge day ripping all the owners who showed up late today at the mediation. The last of the 9 didn't show up until 2:45. 24 + hours till deadline, Where is Jack Bauer when you need him!

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[quote=Monkeydad;788453]I bet you're right. Must-see TV. :D[/quote]

"Oh you guys want to keep booing huh? HUH? All right well lets try this. I am now effectively banning the 3 point stance in the NFL. Also I am extending the season to 20 games. For every fan that continues to boo me I will proceed to suspend your best player on your favorite team for one game per citation. Unless your a Colts or Pats fan. I am Roger MOTHERF**KING GOODELL! AND DON'T NONE OF YOU FORGETS IT!"

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;788457]Boy, Adam Schein had a huge day ripping all the owners who showed up late today at the mediation. The last of the 9 didn't show up until 2:45. 24 + hours till deadline, Where is Jack Bauer when you need him![/quote]

Schein is right... it's total B.S.

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Well now, the union crew is holed up in their office. This is a monumental train wreck.

AlbertBreer
So DeMaurice Smith and the union crew will be holed up at their office taking a break, for the time being.
5 minutes ago

Wow. A twitter fight between owners and nflpa on the eve of the end of labor peace.

Cohen's memoirs will be must read stuff about this mediation no matter how tomorrow turns out.

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It's going to be really hard for players to take it seriously when the NFL and NFLPA tell them to cool it on Twitter when they can't even control themselves

@AdamSchefter: Wow RT @ProFootballMgmt: @gregaiello You can take your 150 pages of CBA revisions and shove em! Can you say treble damages, Doty is waiting!"

Ugh why even meet tomorrow. Just file the papers and let the lawyers claim their fair share of that 9Billion