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As poorly as McNabb has played this year...I believe it is foolish to ditch him when our critical need is oline + multiple defensive positions.

Shanny would have done much better to say he is resting McNabb for the rest of the season...even if his intent was not to start him next year..his other starter could "outplay" him for the starting role...we could trade if need be.

Since he didnt do this...it looks more and more that he intends to trade McNabb prior or during the draft to get a mediocre pick back to potentially pick up a project guard or something. This rushing from QB to QB crap is stupid...it was not a top need last year and it is not this year either...and again, we will mortgage the future on another quest to find another john elway.....note....even john elway would have gotten crushed this year behind this line.

This line is only marginally better than last year....we need to pick up olinemen in the top two rounds for the next 2 years...we cant afford luxury picks for a "better" qb when we already have McNabb.

I wonder where all the Campbell haters are now?
The eagles must be laughing their butts off

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[quote=skins89moss;771878]Our QB form the 2011 season will be, who knows. Look right now we know it takes a QB a couple of years to get comfortable most offensive schemes. I still believe McNabb can do better in this offense in his 2nd year. I also believe we need a QB for the future and Rex maybe the opening starter until our drafted QB is ready to play. [B]McNabb will not be back unless he takes a pay cut and getss on board with both Shannys.[/B][/quote]


[B]Pay cut?[/B] Not likely at all given that he has a signed contract that gets him big bucks if he is on the final roster of 53 players. If he takes a pay cut, it will be with some other team after he is released from the Skins.


[B]Gets on board with both Shannys?[/B] This will happen about the same time Albert Haynesworth runs and finishes a marathon.

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I dont want Mallet or Luck nor do I want Locker.... all those guys are future Alex Smith, I'll take the kid with the winning smile, the Heisman and the best player in the country right now........ Cam Newton, they said Tebow was first round worth either..... lucky Denver didn't listen to that shit.......... I'll take Cam

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/23/donovan-mcnabbs-agent-takes-aim-at-kyle-shanahan/]Donovan McNabb’s agent takes aim at Kyle Shanahan | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;771987][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/23/donovan-mcnabbs-agent-takes-aim-at-kyle-shanahan/]Donovan McNabb’s agent takes aim at Kyle Shanahan | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I was going to start a new thread with the statement but it's just too irritating to do. I hope Kyle learns a lot from this, as well as Mike about drawing a clear line between team and family.

Best case for McNabb and us is that Childress gets hired somewhere as HC or coordinator (SF maybe?) and he trades for McNabb since they have a very good existing relationship. I doubt that Shanny will release McNabb, rather he will try to recoup our 4th round pick in this year's draft by trading him.

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[quote=Paintrain;771989]I was going to start a new thread with the statement but it's just too irritating to do. I hope Kyle learns a lot from this, as well as Mike about drawing a clear line between team and family.

Best case for McNabb and us is that Childress gets hired somewhere as HC or coordinator (SF maybe?) and he trades for McNabb since they have a very good existing relationship. I doubt that Shanny will release McNabb, rather he will try to recoup our 4th round pick in this year's draft by trading him.[/quote]

Yea if you had any doubts about 5 being here next season you dont have to worry anymore.. He'll be in ARZ

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[quote=Paintrain;771989]I was going to start a new thread with the statement but it's just too irritating to do. [B] I hope Kyle learns a lot from this, as well as Mike about drawing a clear line between team and family.[/B]

Best case for McNabb and us is that Childress gets hired somewhere as HC or coordinator (SF maybe?) and he trades for McNabb since they have a very good existing relationship. I doubt that Shanny will release McNabb, rather he will try to recoup our 4th round pick in this year's draft by trading him.[/quote]

I hope so, too, but I doubt it.

It seems that one of the factors in Shanny's dismissal from Denver was that his arrogance led him to foolish and counterproductive errors. When we hired him, I had hoped that his experience had chastened him and taught him something. Instead, the sagas of Haynesworth and DMac make Shanny seem more arrogant than ever (although both AH and DMac had parts to play in the sagas), arrogant in a problematic way that likely will cement the father-son bond.

I like your idea about Childress.

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[quote=Paintrain;771989]I was going to start a new thread with the statement but it's just too irritating to do. I hope Kyle learns a lot from this, as well as Mike about drawing a clear line between team and family.

Best case for McNabb and us is that Childress gets hired somewhere as HC or coordinator (SF maybe?) and he trades for McNabb since they have a very good existing relationship. I doubt that Shanny will release McNabb, rather he will try to recoup our 4th round pick in this year's draft by trading him.[/quote]

Makes me wonder. If Donovan is so adamant about taking the high road then why is his agent releasing a new statement every other day about how the coaching staff has mishandled his client? Certainly Donovan has the power to tell him to put a lid on it.

This comment on PFT pretty much nails it:
[quote]moochzilla says:
Dec 23, 2010 5:06 PM
Scorpiodsu…

Do you really believe that an agent would issue a public statement regarding his client’s thoughts and feelings about his employers without his client’s expressed consent to do so?

Are you kidding me? Ask anyone you know in PR / legal field if they’d do that with one of their clients.

Please.[/quote]

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/22/AR2010122202062.html]Thomas Boswell - Rex Grossman might not be a star, but he might be what Mike Shanahan wants[/url]

Interesting comparison..

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[quote=skinsnut;771962]As poorly as McNabb has played this year...I believe it is foolish to ditch him when our critical need is oline + multiple defensive positions.

Shanny would have done much better to say he is resting McNabb for the rest of the season...even if his intent was not to start him next year..his other starter could "outplay" him for the starting role...we could trade if need be.

Since he didnt do this...it looks more and more that he intends to trade McNabb prior or during the draft to get a mediocre pick back to potentially pick up a project guard or something. This rushing from QB to QB crap is stupid...it was not a top need last year and it is not this year either...and again, we will mortgage the future on another quest to find another john elway.....note....even john elway would have gotten crushed this year behind this line.

This line is only marginally better than last year....we need to pick up olinemen in the top two rounds for the next 2 years...we cant afford luxury picks for a "better" qb when we already have McNabb.

I wonder where all the Campbell haters are now?
The eagles must be laughing their butts off[/quote]

What is the freaking love affair with McNabb??? What has he done as a Redskins to deserve anything?? It obvious he doesn't want to learn the system, so get rid of him!!! I like Shanahan's philosophy of playing the best player no matter how much money he makes, or his draft position..Why should MS worries about his feelings??No player on this 5-9 team deserve anything. People act like DM was a great Redskin like Sonny Jurgensen, and they can't believe MS disrespected him..Goodbye DM, and goodbye to all the cry baby players that feel disrespected because they weren't told earlier in the week they suck..Is the outrage in DC that MS bench a black QB or is it because he bench the great Redskins DM? Would there be so much outrage if MS bench Rex, and didn't tell him until Thursday?

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My feeling's about McNabb really haven't changed since he was an Iggle. I'm not sure what everyone was expecting....

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[quote=53Fan;771999]My feeling's about McNabb really haven't changed since he was an Iggle. [B]I'm not sure what everyone was expecting[/B]....[/quote]

That goes in regards to MS as well. He obviously didn't perform a proper vetting process prior to giving up draft picks we need for a QB that didn't fit the system he was planning to implement.

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Call me crazy but for some reason I am really confident in Rex with this offense. I'm actually looking forward to seeing him run it again Sunday.

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[quote=Brody81;771997]What is the freaking love affair with McNabb??? What has he done as a Redskins to deserve anything?? It obvious he doesn't want to learn the system, so get rid of him!!! I like Shanahan's philosophy of playing the best player no matter how much money he makes, or his draft position..Why should MS worries about his feelings??No player on this 5-9 team deserve anything. People act like DM was a great Redskin like Sonny Jurgensen, and they can't believe MS disrespected him..Goodbye DM, and goodbye to all the cry baby players that feel disrespected because they weren't told earlier in the week they suck..Is the outrage in DC that MS bench a black QB or is it because he bench the great Redskins DM? Would there be so much outrage if MS bench Rex, and didn't tell him until Thursday?[/quote]

First, welcome to the Warpath,
Second...I have no love affair with McNabb at all...my point is that we have far greater needs than QB at this point...everyone knows that...our oline is a disaster...and the gamble in getting McNabb was that he would be able to hold down the fort for 3 years or so behind a rebuilding line with mediocre talent...that gamble so far has failed...why was it a gamble...because we risked 2 critical picks that would be available to us to shore up the oline to get him....now we don't have those pick AND we are going to dump the guy we bought with them...that is clearly a fail...if you really think Rex Grossman is better than McNabb...please state so...but do not make assumptions of my position on McNabb because I believe Shanny is not playing his cards right.
BTW...I don't care about players feelings or certainly what color, religion or whatever sex they are...if they are talented...they need to be maximized...no one can claim Shanny has done that with either McNabb nor Haynesworth....I would suggest that other coaches in the NFL could have gotten more production out of both of them.

Do I think McNabb is fantastic....absolutely not...do I think he is better than anyone else on the squad or any FA that may be available....probably....so why ditch the guy and open up a glaring hole when we are bleeding badly in so many other locations?
That is my point.

Rebuilding a team has a lot to do with timing as much as it does to do with money, number of picks, etc...I just think the timing sucks for having no starter even before the offseason starts....It hurts our leverage in the draft, McNabb trade value, and the cost of FA Qbs.
What ever happened to keeping your cards close to the vest?

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[quote=Brody81;771997]What is the freaking love affair with McNabb??? What has he done as a Redskins to deserve anything?? It obvious he doesn't want to learn the system, so get rid of him!!! I like Shanahan's philosophy of playing the best player no matter how much money he makes, or his draft position..Why should MS worries about his feelings??No player on this 5-9 team deserve anything. People act like DM was a great Redskin like Sonny Jurgensen, and they can't believe MS disrespected him..Goodbye DM, and goodbye to all the cry baby players that feel disrespected because they weren't told earlier in the week they suck..Is the outrage in DC that MS bench a black QB or is it because he bench the great Redskins DM? Would there be so much outrage if MS bench Rex, and didn't tell him until Thursday?[/quote]

Love affair? I think you're mistaken. A majority of the NFL fanbase always seem to side with the coach or management whenever there's some sort of rift between the player and management/coach. Your response to this matter is typical, the positive responses you're seeing are definitely in the minority.

Most of the fanbase in general detest Donovan McNabb. Just look at any conversation on ESPN.com whenever this QB drama is brought up. Sure you have your Shannahan bashers, but a majority of the posters are siding and supporting Shannahan.