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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;757093]I don't remember saying that but if that's how you feel I'm not gonna argue with you.[/quote]

I'm not trying to argue, but you guys just have that air about you.

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[quote=12thMan;757098]I'm not trying to argue, but you guys just have that air about you.[/quote]


What air? I enjoy this conversation mainly because you guys are sticking to your guns.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;757095]Top 5 Pac -10 teams:
Oregon, Stanford, Arizona, Oregon St., USC

Top 5 SEC teams:
Auburn
LSU
Alabama
Arkansas
UF or South Carolina

Are you kidding me chico[/quote]

Oregon and Stanford beat any of those teams. Arizona lose to Auburn but compete/beat the others. Oregon St and USC would get killed by the top 3 but hang/beat the bottom 3. I dont think Im that far off. SEC as a whole is better than the Pac 10, but Oregon and Stanford are very very good teams.

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[quote=12thMan;757098]I'm not trying to argue, but you guys just have that air about you.[/quote]


To put it more succinctly, you ---and by you, I'm referring to you and GMScud ([I][B]The guy won't give me an inch on Obama, so I have to find an opening where I can get it.[/B][/I]) -- tend to ascribe success and high national rankings of smaller or lesser known programs as a fluke, dumb luck, weak scheduling, an off year in the SEC or a combination of the four.

But when it comes to anyalizing the SEC, you seem to have the best talent in the land, the best coaches, most loyal fans, and unmatched football prowess vs the rest of college football. Now considering that the SEC have been kicking ass and taking names for the past four years, I think that is a sometimes fair assessment. But it's the, what I perceive to be, belittling of inferior programs and the sense of entitelment that tends to surround SEC programs which leads me to think this.

Hey, I have no real problem with SEC dominance. They produce great NFL caliber players and make pretty good Redskins!

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Boise and TCU are good if not great teams. I'm not discounting them. If they won the NC it would be well deserved but I don't think they deserve it over a 1 loss SEC or Oregon team.

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[quote=Chico23231;756826]Good it was joke...lol.

Amature...yes its intended as a slight. Because thats the reality of it. College Basketball shouldnt be compared. See College basketball is a more true version of the game, they actually play as a team, defense and fundamentals are stressed unlike the NBA. I see a player like Cam at auburn and I think what a pretty player. Then I think that garbage is never gonna translate to NFL. So yes enjoy it, I do to a certain extent. But the game and the system is seriously seriously flawed. [B]Its second tier IMO.[/B]

Ok yes SEC football is probably overall the best conference in football top to bottom over the last 5 years. But your not entitle to anything...lol.. look at the records this year...No one stands out. If Auburn is your best team that is not saying much. Pac Ten I think better top teams sorry.

Bama having 2 loses says alot, first tough conference, second not as good as everyone thought

LSU play and Les luck is gonna catch up with them. Auburn has gotten lucky twice.

All im saying is "Roll Tide!!!" in 2 weeks, cause you know what that means: Oregon vs TCU[/quote]

College football is second tier to what? Pro football? Name a sport in the USA that isn't second tier to the NFL? I mean come on.

The fact of the matter is the SEC year in and year out is the best conference, and has proven it by their overall dominance over the last decade. They're bigger, faster, and stronger than any other conference, although I do agree that the Pac-10 is stronger this year than they've been in a long time. I love watching Oregon play.

But I gotta say man, your flat out hating of the SEC really speaks to how good of a conference it is. The SEC championship game has been the national semi-final for three year's running for pete's sake. Pac-10 needs a championship game badly.

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[quote=12thMan;757114]To put it more succinctly, you ---and by you, I'm referring to you and GMScud ([I][B]The guy won't give me an inch on Obama, so I have to find an opening where I can get it.[/B][/I]) -- [B]tend to ascribe success and high national rankings of smaller or lesser known programs as a fluke, dumb luck, weak scheduling, an off year in the SEC or a combination of the four.[/B]

But when it comes to anyalizing the SEC, you seem to have the best talent in the land, the best coaches, most loyal fans, and unmatched football prowess vs the rest of college football. Now considering that the SEC have been kicking ass and taking names for the past four years, I think that is a sometimes fair assessment. But it's the, what I perceive to be, belittling of inferior programs and the sense of entitelment that tends to surround SEC programs which leads me to think this.

Hey, I have no real problem with SEC dominance. They produce great NFL caliber players and make pretty good Redskins![/quote]

To be fair, I ascribe the SEC's success to winning (and recruiting dominance) more than anything else. I mean, they've won 4 straight national titles and 6 of the last 10.

I'm not sure I've ever poo-pooed smaller/lesser known programs' high rankings as a fluke, dumb luck, or a down year for the SEC. However when you look at schools like Boise St, how can you not consider strength of schedule? This year they beat a vastly overrated Va Tech (the ACC is garbage this season), and a .500 Oregon State team. That's it. They are a great program to be sure, and they've proven in the past they can hang with teams like Oklahoma (thanks to gadget plays, but hey, a W is a W), but SOS is important. You look at Boise State's schedule... I mean... pretty much all of those schools would lose to SEC bottom feeders.

A one loss team that runs the gauntlet of an SEC (or this year, a PAC 10) schedule is more deserving of a shot at the title than a team that plays nobody.

That said, get a damn playoff system. The BCS is a joke.

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I'm calling it now.


Oregon vs. TCU in title game.

TCU's only remaining challenge was #5 Utah and they destroyed them 47-7. This gives them the edge over Boise State I think.


San Diego State and New Mexico remaining

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[quote=Buster;757223]I'm calling it now.


Oregon vs. TCU in title game.

TCU's only remaining challenge was #5 Utah and they destroyed them 47-7. This gives them the edge over Boise State I think.


San Diego State and New Mexico remaining[/quote]

Wouldn't be suprised if that was the game.

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some good games on today the auburn game was great and cam looked real good it was nice to see him having fun out there not letting all the crap bother him. and the sc fla game is a damn good one too. anyone who thinks the sec isn't the best conference in college football is crazy. sorry scud but it looks like the ole ball coach is gonna get this one for the other team

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[quote=mlmdub130;758068]some good games on today the auburn game was great and cam looked real good it was nice to see him having fun out there not letting all the crap bother him. and the sc fla game is a damn good one too. anyone who thinks the sec isn't the best conference in college football is crazy. [B]sorry scud but it looks like the ole ball coach is gonna get this one for the other team[/B][/quote]

First time SC got us in our house EVER. Wow. And only their second win ever vs the Gators, putting them at 2-18 all time. The SEC top to bottom is very good, with 7 teams in the top 25.

I tip my hat to Spurrier and the Gamecocks. They're a better team this year for sure.

That said, I like how loaded with blue chip talent our younger guys are though. The '08 National Championship led to what some have called the best recruiting class of all time in '09. Give us a minute. We'll be back.

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[quote=GMScud;757127]To be fair, I ascribe the SEC's success to winning (and recruiting dominance) more than anything else. I mean, they've won 4 straight national titles and 6 of the last 10.

I'm not sure I've ever poo-pooed smaller/lesser known programs' high rankings as a fluke, dumb luck, or a down year for the SEC. However when you look at schools like Boise St, how can you not consider strength of schedule? This year they beat a vastly [B]overrated Va Tech[/B] (the ACC is garbage this season), and a .500 Oregon State team. That's it. They are a great program to be sure, and they've proven in the past they can hang with teams like Oklahoma (thanks to gadget plays, but hey, a W is a W), but SOS is important. You look at Boise State's schedule... I mean... pretty much all of those schools would lose to SEC bottom feeders.

A one loss team that runs the gauntlet of an SEC (or this year, a PAC 10) schedule is more deserving of a shot at the title than a team that plays nobody.

That said, get a damn playoff system. The BCS is a joke.[/quote]

C'mon now! They had an inexperienced defense that only returned 3 of 11 starters from last season. Despite that they still held their own against Boise State and yes, lost a game they should have won to JMU. They haven't lost since the loss to JMU and have improved just about every week. The team finishes in the top just about every year and are on pace to possibly do it again (they do need help though). They are far from overrated. Your just pissed because they are rated higher than Florida right now.

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[quote=Angry;758215]C'mon now! They had an inexperienced defense that only returned 3 of 11 starters from last season. Despite that they still held their own against Boise State and yes, lost a game they should have won to JMU. They haven't lost since the loss to JMU and have improved just about every week. The team finishes in the top just about every year and are on pace to possibly do it again (they do need help though). They are far from overrated. Your just pissed because they are rated higher than Florida right now.[/quote]

Hes just upset the SEC East is a shit pile and on the same level of play as the ACC. Look at the current standings? 5-3 leads that division. Sorry SEC is down this year. Its comical how overly sensative these guys are...lol

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[quote=Chico23231;758240]Hes just upset the SEC East is a shit pile and on the same level of play as the ACC. Look at the current standings? 5-3 leads that division. Sorry SEC is down this year. Its comical how overly sensative these guys are...lol[/quote]

You spelled sensitive wrong. You are really SEC bashing for no reason

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[quote=Angry;758215]C'mon now! They had an inexperienced defense that only returned 3 of 11 starters from last season. Despite that they still held their own against Boise State and yes, lost a game they should have won to JMU. They haven't lost since the loss to JMU and have improved just about every week. The team finishes in the top just about every year and are on pace to possibly do it again (they do need help though). They are far from overrated. [B]Your just pissed because they are rated higher than Florida right now[/B].[/quote]

LOL. If you think for one second I am "pissed" about anything that has to do with Va Tech football, you're kidding yourself. Frankly the only thing I care about on a yearly basis in the ACC is that Florida State loses to my Gators (which has become an annual tradition nowadays).

I call them overrated because it seems like almost every year they are in the preseason discussion as a national title contender, and they don't ever deliver. They haven't had a QB worth a damn since Vick. And don't forget how awful the ACC is this year.