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[url]https://www.newsweek.com/hate-crimes-under-trump-surged-nearly-20-percent-says-fbi-report-1547870[/url]

Let me guess. If the media would have just left it alone than all would be kosher?

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[quote=punch it in;1284769][url]https://www.newsweek.com/hate-crimes-under-trump-surged-nearly-20-percent-says-fbi-report-1547870[/url]

Let me guess. If the media would have just left it alone than all would be kosher?[/quote]

Is murdering someone better, worse, or the same, if it's a "hate" crime?

It's always confused me why we try to classify homicides. Everything is all about race, sex, etc.. We will never change. It's 2021, and we all still justify, classify, etc. If you kill someone, outside of self defense, it's always fucking wrong. I think without politics, this would be 99% agreed upon.

Like if someone shoots my family member for no reason, I don't give 2 shits about the classification. I will hate that person, until hopefully I can forgive them.

That's why politics suck. We lose things that unite us, such as killing each other is terrible, so we can fight about why we kill each other.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1284771]Is murdering someone better, worse, or the same, if it's a "hate" crime?



It's always confused me why we try to classify homicides. Everything is all about race, sex, etc.. We will never change. It's 2021, and we all still justify, classify, etc. If you kill someone, outside of self defense, it's always fucking wrong. I think without politics, this would be 99% agreed upon.



Like if someone shoots my family member for no reason, I don't give 2 shits about the classification. I will hate that person, until hopefully I can forgive them.



That's why politics suck. We lose things that unite us, such as killing each other is terrible, so we can fight about why we kill each other.[/QUOTE]



Of course murder is murder. But murdering someone because they are jewish imo is worse than a scorned lover or a break in gone bad because it is even more senseless. Doesn’t make any murder ok. Lol. The conversation is about hate crime though.
If someone shoots your family member for no reason that is obviously awful but that person is going to kill someone regardless. Someone shoots your family member because of their race or religion than that would fall into the pre meditated murder category. They were targeted. It is by definition worse. Certainly doesn’t make the random murder good though. At all. But again we are discussing hate crimes.

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Random targeted violence on innocent people should always get extra protection and attention as a society.

If 2 strangers get drunk at a bar and shoot each other or gang members kill each other ... some personal decisions were made leading to the end result. Thats why the innocent baby killed by stray gun fire is so much more heartbreaking then some 16 year old with a long rap sheet.

A jewish or asian or black or white mom killed at the shopping mall for no reason other than they are jewish or white or black or asian .... it shocks the collective conscious of a community bc wed like to think if we avoid trouble, dont run our mouth, dont go out after midnight flexing our beer muscles, we should be free from consequences we didnt put ourselves into.

If a family cant walk down the street mid afternoon without getting targeted ... we need to pay special attention to that situation.

When we say "save the whales" we arent saying "dophins lives dont matter". We are saying we need to pay special attention to this problem bc this problem needs special attention.

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[quote=SunnySide;1284784]Random targeted violence on innocent people should always get extra protection and attention as a society.

If 2 strangers get drunk at a bar and shoot each other or gang members kill each other ... some personal decisions were made leading to the end result. Thats why the innocent baby killed by stray gun fire is so much more heartbreaking then some 16 year old with a long rap sheet.

A jewish or asian or black or white mom killed at the shopping mall for no reason other than they are jewish or white or black or asian .... it shocks the collective conscious of a community bc wed like to think if we avoid trouble, dont run our mouth, dont go out after midnight flexing our beer muscles, we should be free from consequences we didnt put ourselves into.

If a family cant walk down the street mid afternoon without getting targeted ... we need to pay special attention to that situation.

When we say "save the whales" we arent saying "dophins lives dont matter". We are saying we need to pay special attention to this problem bc this problem needs special attention.[/quote]


It's sad that this actually has to be explained to anyone.

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All marine life matters, how could you!

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[quote=SunnySide;1284784]Random targeted violence on innocent people should always get extra protection and attention as a society.

If 2 strangers get drunk at a bar and shoot each other or gang members kill each other ... some personal decisions were made leading to the end result. Thats why the innocent baby killed by stray gun fire is so much more heartbreaking then some 16 year old with a long rap sheet.

A jewish or asian or black or white mom killed at the shopping mall for no reason other than they are jewish or white or black or asian .... it shocks the collective conscious of a community bc wed like to think if we avoid trouble, dont run our mouth, dont go out after midnight flexing our beer muscles, we should be free from consequences we didnt put ourselves into.

[B]If a family cant walk down the street mid afternoon without getting targeted ... we need to pay special attention to that situation. [/B]

When we say "save the whales" we arent saying "dophins lives dont matter". We are saying we need to pay special attention to this problem bc this problem needs special attention.[/quote]

I heard about that story too.

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/stand-against-hate-canadian-muslim-family-loses-three-generations-in-truck-attack/ar-AAKPv5v?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

When white Christian families start getting ran down on the sidewalk for being white Christians, I'll make sure to give them special attention too.

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[quote=MTK;1284792]All marine life matters, how could you![/quote]

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Most people are killed by people that look like them and people that know them.

I'm not justifying killing anyone. If you kill someone for being racist, you're a piece of shit. You're also a piece of shit if you kill someone because you're feelings are hurt or you're jealous, or you want someone's Jordan's, etc. And way more people are killed for things like this than hate crimes against any race.

If Canada needs some help, I'll fly up and help on the jury and the firing squad.

Until people as a whole value every single life from conception thru senior living we will have unnecessary death.

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[quote=punch it in;1284769][url]https://www.newsweek.com/hate-crimes-under-trump-surged-nearly-20-percent-says-fbi-report-1547870[/url]

Let me guess. If the media would have just left it alone than all would be kosher?[/quote]

I can see that - Trump is a champion of identity politics (he was raised a Dem after all) which leads to higher hate crime rates. (Critical Race Theory is identity politics on steroids so expect this trend to continue).

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1284807]I can see that - Trump is a champion of identity politics (he was raised a Dem after all) which leads to higher hate crime rates. (Critical Race Theory is identity politics on steroids so expect this trend to continue).[/QUOTE]



Yes it is all so very simple. Lol.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1284802]Most people are killed by people that look like them and people that know them.



I'm not justifying killing anyone. If you kill someone for being racist, you're a piece of shit. You're also a piece of shit if you kill someone because you're feelings are hurt or you're jealous, or you want someone's Jordan's, etc. And way more people are killed for things like this than hate crimes against any race.



If Canada needs some help, I'll fly up and help on the jury and the firing squad.



Until people as a whole value every single life from conception thru senior living we will have unnecessary death.[/QUOTE]



Nah. All racists should die a slow painful death.

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Identity politics has become the new reverse racism. Lol. Always an excuse.

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Watching this NY mayor race…latest polling

Interesting takeaways from
@NY1
poll (likely voters):
-Crime/violence is top problem (46%)
-72% strongly/somewhat agree NYPD should put more officers on the street
-Former cop Eric Adams leads, he’s #1 pick for 22%
-Andrew Yang drops from 22% in early April to 16% in late May


Lotta dems paying attention to the unmitigated failures of policy decisions when it comes to crime. This has legs, it always does

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[quote=punch it in;1284815]Identity politics has become the new reverse racism. Lol. Always an excuse.[/quote]
Identity politics has been in play since before the Civil War. It all about treating people differently under the law according to what circumstance or group they are in. Our Chief Justice has a good idea - "The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race."