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RGIII, Claiborne, Blackmon, or Richardson will be there at 6.

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[quote=Lotus;884398]Ok, fair enough. My point wasn't that we WILL trade down, just that the possibility is there.

And, mathematically, one of the guys I listed or RGIII MUST be there at 6 if we assume that Luck and Kahlil will go in the first three.[/quote]

Got it...I agree one of yours would be there, just don't think they would draw a trade up. Kahlil is the only non QB at the top of the draft I could see drawing a lot of interest. but just like with RG3 if he somehow falls to #6 maybe we should just take him.

Doesn't really matter anyway...my original point is really that getting into position to get Tannehill could end up being just as difficult and nearly as costly as getting RG3.

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[quote=celts32;884401]Got it...I agree one of yours would be there, just don't think they would draw a trade up. Kahlil is the only non QB at the top of the draft I could see drawing a lot of interest. but just like with RG3 if he somehow falls to #6 maybe we should just take him.

Doesn't really matter anyway...my original point is really that getting into position to get Tannehill could end up being just as difficult and nearly as costly as getting RG3.[/quote]

That's cool. I don't have a hard argument. I'm just more optimistic than you are than one of those guys could inspire a trade-down scenario for us.

I'm also more optimistic than many people here that RGIII will be there at 6.

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[quote=biffle;884339]Yeah, you kind of did. None of those trades you mention have the trading up teams giving up as much as you have us doing, save for the Leaf fiasco.

If next year's first was considered to have the value of this year's second, then we would be giving up more than the full price of the value chart without giving up the two 4ths you include. And every organiztion worth anything realizes a future 1st is worth more than that.[/quote]


The other two were trades where they had 0 leverage so the pick was devalued. Now you have a situation where there are multiple teams wanting the pick, and without the huge contracts that rookies used to get. That pick has now become more valuable than it was prior.


2012 -1st
2012-3rd
2012- 4th

2013-1st
2013- 5th
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2012-1st
2012-2nd

2013- 1st
2013- 4th
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My scenario was a estimation, and it wasn't overblown that much even though you think it is. I can see several packages like the one above given for that pick.

The Panther's traded their 2010 1st rounder for a 2009 2nd round pick (43rd) worth 470 points.

You want to know why it cost the Chargers so much to move from #3 to #2? It was because of the person at stake. At the time, Leaf was perceived to have a higher ceiling than Peyton.

Fast forward to now. RGIII is also being touted as a top prospect along with Luck and is said to have a higher ceiling. He's obviously good enough for Irsay to mention both him and Luck.

Put that #2 up for bid, and the price could sky rocket if teams start a bidding war. If you want to argue about me adding an additional 4th or 5th to the chart, than by all means haggle away. It was a rough estimate, but it was enough to show that we dont' want to give up that much for one guy.

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[quote=bertoskins2;884368]Get peyton manning, trade down to get 2 solid linemen to protect him, get the next tom brady on the later rounds. win superbowl as early as next year and save Mike shanahans Job.[/quote]

And then sit back and pop the bubbly! Why haven't we thought of this before?

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[quote=Son Of Man;884334]3,000+ posts in just over a year.

Someone needs a social life...
No, social networking doesn't count.[/quote]

Matty, Smoot, I think he's talking to you two.
:silly:



C'mon guy? Insults? Dude, most of my posts come at work. Yes, I get paid to post on the Warpath and it comes compliments of the taxpayers. Does that make you mad bro? :cool-smil

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=Lotus;884402]That's cool. I don't have a hard argument. I'm just more optimistic than you are than one of those guys could inspire a trade-down scenario for us.

I'm also more optimistic than many people here that RGIII will be there at 6.[/quote]

I would love to be proved wrong and get RG3 at 6

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=Lotus;884402]That's cool. I don't have a hard argument. I'm just more optimistic than you are than one of those guys could inspire a trade-down scenario for us.

I'm also more optimistic than many people here that RGIII will be there at 6.[/quote]

I don't think I'm as optimistic as you are about RG3 being there at 6, but I think it's a believable scenario. And if it does happen, we better take him. *shakes fist*. But if the FO used that potential scenario to trade down and get more picks to help Peyton out, I'd be comfortable with that too. But if we had any other FA qb instead of Peyton and RG3 fell to us, well then I'd definitely want us to take him.

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Man this is a tough decision. I say pick up Peyton if he is close to 100%. The Skins can't pass up the once in a lifetime chance. I like RgIII if he falls to six. It's not a wise move to give up that many picks for one player. We have way too many holes to fill.

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[quote=celts32;884397][quote=SBXVII;884329]

Okay so we will continue on the wait for a QB to fall from the sky plan. Everything is a risk...there are no guarantees...but the only thing thats certain is that we are not winning until we find a QB.

To answer your question...if the Rams don't want to trade and want to draft RG3 for themselves then I would do 3 cartwheels and offer them the #6 pick for Bradford.[/quote]

No, rumor last week was the Shanahans were not really infatuated with any of the QB's this year other then Luck and he will be taken by the Colts. They were interested in Barkely but as we all know he stayed in college.

Now there are several ways to build a team and a couple of the most common is to take a QB, then build around him. If this was the Shanahan's first year I'd argue for this method. However there is another way in which the team builds the OL and gets all the supporting cast then pulls the trigger on a QB who will not have as big a learning curve because the supporting cast is already in place. Since we've already waisted 2 years collecting talent and not getting our "franchise" QB, on top of that the coaching staff not infatuated with the QB class, I could see this team taking another year to collect their weapons and next year going all in for Barkely.

and no, if the Rams don't think he's franchise material why would we want him? clearly he was a high draft pick that they couldn't get to work out. So why do we want to waist our time with him. Unless you want to go through another Grossman or Beck situation.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;884358]The point is vick is not a traditional passer and has rare talents but can never make the throw needed to be clutch. Rg3 is very similar to that and it's why I'd be worried ntm running qb s don't last long[/quote]

There are more "traditional" passers who haven't proven to be clutch than "non-traditional" ones.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;884364]He does? He's a pocket passer with the ability to scramble and has Michael Vick type speed. Cam Newton runs a lot, Early Michael Vick runs a lot. RGIII doesn't play like either one of them really. Since when is being able to evade pressure a knock.[/quote]

While I think RGIII is leap years above Cam and Vick in terms of where they were as a prospect, he does still run a bit. He averaged 13 attempts per game but only had a paltry 3.9 average. However, he put up over 4,200 yard passing in 13 games as well. That's incredible. Were they allowed to continue playing during halftime or something?...lol


I love the kid though. He's smart (best part I like), he's charismatic, he's athletic, he's accurate, he's got arm strength.

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[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/761st_Tank_Battalion_(United_States)"]Why RG3 will succeed in the NFL and the real reason some think he won't...[/URL]

It's the Patton principle.

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Lets look at a different view, what if both QB RG3 and peyton fails, this will be the consequence. in RG3 we will loose future draft picks. in peyton, we will only loose dan's money, and will keep both our picks this year (probably a stud OL or WR) and next year (another QB prospect in Barkley)

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[quote=diehard;884417][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/761st_Tank_Battalion_(United_States)"]Why RG3 will succeed in the NFL and the real reason some think he won't...[/URL][/quote]

You playing the race card bro?


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