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LMAO.... can't believe I would even type this, but you know we do have two weeks to get Ol' Brett Farve ready to go against Philly. :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;844527]Well it's just too bad we didn't get Kyle Orton...who has 13 turnovers in his last 7 starts[/quote]

HEY!!! You leave Orton out of this

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[quote=Lotus;844502]And how do you know that Beck CAN do those things? Answer: you don't.

The fact is, neither Grossman nor Beck are the answer in the end. When it comes to QB play this year, we must grin and bear the situation.

But since some here would like to blindly change QB's, I reinstate my call for Jon Crompton. How do we know that he isn't the next Dan Marino?

Start Crompton Now! Start Crompton Now! Rocky Top for the Win![/quote]

Read, and retain. Read, and retain. Not a difficult process. Whether he can or he can't get it done, as we know him now, is not the issue. It's nebulous. The point is to put him in a situation where you can clearly define whether he can or can't get it done.

And what "some here" are proposing is not completely absurd. Beck atleast knows the offense. I realize you're just trying your hand at humor, but Crompton? C'mon dude.

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[quote=fanarchist;844560]Read, and retain. Read, and retain. Not a difficult process. Whether he can or he can't get it done, as we know him now, is not the issue. It's nebulous. [B]The point is to put him in a situation where you can clearly define whether he can or can't get it done.[/B]

And what "some here" are proposing is not completely absurd. Beck atleast knows the offense. I realize you're just trying your hand at humor, but Crompton? C'mon dude.[/quote]

That's what the preseason is for and Beck really did not get it done that well.

I am no Rex apologist. He makes me cringe often.

But the "let's throw Beck out there and see what happens" argument that you are making is absurd. First, we could be worse off and thereby squander our hard-bought early gains. Second, Shanny sees Beck every day in practice and therefore has a fair idea what he can do, so Shanny has no reason to throw things against the wall to see what sticks. Third, the "let's see what happens" argument can be applied to others on the roster. It is also coherent to argue that we don't know what Crompton would do so we should throw him out there. Heck, one could argue as well that we should throw Doughty out there as QB - he's never been tested by fire in that role, either.

You do not seem to appreciate how absurd the "let's just throw Beck in there and see what happens" argument is.

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Rex.

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[quote=Lotus;844609]That's what the preseason is for and Beck really did not get it done that well.

I am no Rex apologist. He makes me cringe often.

But the "let's throw Beck out there and see what happens" argument that you are making is absurd. First, we could be worse off and thereby squander our hard-bought early gains. Second, Shanny sees Beck every day in practice and therefore has a fair idea what he can do, so Shanny has no reason to throw things against the wall to see what sticks. Third, the "let's see what happens" argument can be applied to others on the roster. It is also coherent to argue that we don't know what Crompton would do so we should throw him out there. Heck, one could argue as well that we should throw Doughty out there as QB - he's never been tested by fire in that role, either.

You do not seem to appreciate how absurd the "let's just throw Beck in there and see what happens" argument is.[/quote]

Yet again you bungle the point by taking it to extreme levels of absurdity. Beck is a guy, at the QB position, who has been in the system, with offensive playbook in hand, for 1 year and 3 months now. He is a guy who understands the system, and convinsingly owns the backup role on this squad. He was in an open QB competition vying for the starting role with Rex Grossman this offseason. It is highly debatable, in my opinion, that Grossman out played Beck to the point where he dominated the competition so conclusively that he won the job unquestionably. To deminish his role with such emphatic asininity, to the point where you would juxtapose Beck with Doughty at the QB position, is more of a slap in the the face to the Shanahans and their personnel decisions then I could ever make with a simple plea to see a guy play in a game scenario before the verdict has been rendered. I'm content waiting for Grossman to continue to make the same mistakes, because with every one Beck inches closer to his shot. He may flop, he may be average, he may impress. I don't know. I never claimed to. But I atleast have enough faith in the Shanahans to believe that they consider their backup good enough to keep him one injury away from starting.

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lol John Beck... We are 3-1 and people are screaming for a QB change.. I could only imagine what Redskin Nation would be doing right now if we were 1-3

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If we were 1-3, we could very well be looking at Beck starting against Philly, especially if the losses could be directly attributed to Rex turnovers.

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If Grossman was the changed QB he keeps repeating to himself We would have beaten those CowBoys! And if you can't see that well I'm sorry but its true!

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[quote=fanarchist;844623]Yet again you bungle the point by taking it to extreme levels of absurdity. Beck is a guy, at the QB position, who has been in the system, with offensive playbook in hand, for 1 year and 3 months now. He is a guy who understands the system, and convinsingly owns the backup role on this squad. He was in an open QB competition vying for the starting role with Rex Grossman this offseason. It is highly debatable, in my opinion, that Grossman out played Beck to the point where he dominated the competition so conclusively that he won the job unquestionably. To deminish his role with such emphatic asininity, to the point where you would juxtapose Beck with Doughty at the QB position, is more of a slap in the the face to the Shanahans and their personnel decisions then I could ever make with a simple plea to see a guy play in a game scenario before the verdict has been rendered. I'm content waiting for Grossman to continue to make the same mistakes, because with every one Beck inches closer to his shot. He may flop, he may be average, he may impress. I don't know. I never claimed to. But I atleast have enough faith in the Shanahans to believe that they consider their backup good enough to keep him one injury away from starting.[/quote]


wow...I can't believe you two are arguing back and forth about a QB and team that is 3-1. Skins fans can never be happy without controversy.

To your point about Beck being in the system and knowing it after 1yr 3months. Rex has 3 years in the system and I would bet he has a better handle on it than Beck. The backup QB is the best position in football. He is the savior, the man, that is until the starter goes down and he steps in and shits on himself. Then it is well he is a backup what do you expect. Look, Rex is starting because he is the better of the two. Shanny has had two years of these guys on the roster, watching them practice and watching game film. I think they know who is better and who gives us a better chance to win.

Of the 5 INT's, how many of them should have been caught? 3 or 4 right.. So, if the WR catches the ball, are we even having this discussion. NOPE. So go and watch the games again, Rex isn't playing that bad.

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I refuse to consider a QB change at 3-1. That would be ridiculous!

Rex won the job and, since then, he hasn't done anything to lose it. We know who he is as a QB. He can be streaky and he turns the ball over a little more than we would like. I can live with that as long as he keeps "Bad Rex" bottled up for the most part.

Who is John Beck, anyway? It's not like we have Matthew Stafford sitting on the bench.

Besides, as I've said all along, we don't have our franchise QB on the team yet. In the meantime, Rex is doing a good job for us. Go Rex!

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[quote=44ever;844472]When you lose to a beat up lame ass Cowboys team and barely beat the crapless Rams, their is legitimate grounds for concern. Unless of course one is short sighted. 3-1 yes, convincingly no.

The team is playing great. Grossman, not so great so far. I don't see a problem with anyone wanting Beck at this time.[/quote]

Who cares about convincingly?! Style points only count in college football.

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[quote=Mattyk;844449]Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.[/quote]

Well I think most fans are happy that we're 3-1. But I also think most fans realize that we barely beat a really bad football team. And the reason was cause of the offense. The Rams flat out dropped a pick six. Going to need more out of the QB position in order to beat better teams.

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[quote=irish;844641]Who cares about convincingly?! Style points only count in college football.[/quote]

Well if you look at his performance against Dallas, had he converted just 1 time in the RZ we would have won that game. Any average starting QB in the league given the same opportunity would have at least converted 1 in such a important game. It's a shame because everyone else around him played pretty decent, the D played more than decent holding Romo to zero. What more can a QB ask for?

Further, nobody is crying for a QB change, I don't see that at all. Most that are for Beck are content on allowing Rex to continue but would not object to seeing Beck. We are also hoping Rex has a great season.

Honestly, if Rex goes down and Beck is brought in and plays solid, I would bet those of you who are "Rex or nothing" would not want him back when healthy.

It's really a wait and see for me as I am good either way.

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[quote=44ever;844670]Well if you look at his performance against Dallas, had he converted just 1 time in the RZ we would have won that game. Any average starting QB in the league given the same opportunity would have at least converted 1 in such a important game. It's a shame because everyone else around him played pretty decent, the D played more than decent holding Romo to zero. What more can a QB ask for?

Further, nobody is crying for a QB change, I don't see that at all. Most that are for Beck are content on allowing Rex to continue but would not object to seeing Beck. We are also hoping Rex has a great season.

Honestly, if Rex goes down and Beck is brought in and plays solid, I would bet those of you who are "[B]Rex or nothing[/B]" would not want him back when healthy.

It's really a wait and see for me as I am good either way.[/quote]

Do we actually have this? I believe the "Rex" people are more the...."as long as we're winning" people (as in don't rock the boat). Myself included. IF he should crash....injured.......contract diptheria, and JB comes in and plays well? I think we will all become once again "as long as we're winning" for Beck fans.