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[quote=Trample the Elderly;593032]No way. I'm not taking anything away from Soup but Cutler was in control of the Pittsburgh game the other day. He won it too. I didn't see Sanchez but I hear they beat New England. Soup isn't up there with these guys because he hasn't beaten the Steelers or the Patriots. I'm not so sure it's him and not the play calling now. I'll have to see more.[/quote]

Sanchez is really impressing me. What I like is how our future head coach Brian Schottenheimer is showing faith in him by putting the game in his hands in the 2nd half against the Pats yesterday. I find it a bit odd that Zorn at seemingly critical junctures, first pass play of the season/3rd down paly in the red zone, Zorn isn't putting it in Campbell's hands to make that throw. With Zorn's future so closely tied to Campbell's success it seems odd that he would do that.

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^It's all about coaching....something were lacking.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;593153]He was graded against the Steelers last year and flunked.[/quote]

We flunked as a team, the O-line let the Steelers beat the crap out of JC, he was lucky to make it through that game alive!!!

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[quote=roth74va;593203]We flunked as a team, the O-line let the Steelers beat the crap out of JC, he was lucky to make it through that game alive!!![/quote]

Yeah no kidding. Look up the word "jailbreak" on google and you will get a direct feed to the video of that game.

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[quote=SmootSmack;593161]Sanchez is really impressing me. What I like is how our future head coach Brian Schottenheimer is showing faith in him by putting the game in his hands in the 2nd half against the Pats yesterday. I find it a bit odd that Zorn at seemingly critical junctures, first pass play of the season/3rd down paly in the red zone, Zorn isn't putting it in Campbell's hands to make that throw. With Zorn's future so closely tied to Campbell's success it seems odd that he would do that.[/quote]Not that I'm suggesting that these are anything but loaded terms, but couldn't Brian Schottenheimer's passing offense charitably be described as boring and unimaginative?

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[quote=GTripp0012;593216]Not that I'm suggesting that these are anything but loaded terms, but couldn't Brian Schottenheimer's passing offense charitably be described as boring and unimaginative?[/quote]

One man's "boring and unimaginative" is another man's "effective and efficient"

Seriously though, I think B Schott often unfairly gets labeled boring because of his last name.

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[quote=GTripp0012;593216]Not that I'm suggesting that these are anything but loaded terms, but couldn't Brian Schottenheimer's passing offense charitably be described as boring and unimaginative?[/quote]
Dude, I would rather have Norv back and his playbook than the crap we are seeing. Actually JC would love Norv's playbook. Shit, Frerotte could have been a perennial pro bowler with the Wrs JC has, and Norv was a decent play caller. At least he had an offense that could score. Too bad Norv is an ineffective HC. Boring and unimaginative that gets the job done is way better than marching up and down the 20 yard lines only to come up empty or lousy FGs. Just like it is with women, the object is to score big!!!!!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;593221]One man's "boring and unimaginative" is another man's "effective and efficient"

Seriously though, I think B Schott often unfairly gets labeled boring because of his last name.[/quote]Isn't he at least partially responsible for moving from a franchise QB with durability issues in Pennington to Kellen Clemens to Brett Favre and finally to Sanchez? I'm missing what makes his slow and steady passing game so appealing while Zorn's is so irritating (not necessarily the opinion of the author of these comments).

I think a Zorn -> Schotty Jr. transition would go well, but in the end, the offense would be more or less under a similar philosophy.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;593081]Good post i'm a JC supporter it's only 2 games and JC's only going to improve.[/quote]

Still on the fence. I was ecstatic when Campbell put that 55 yard pass on the money to ARE even though it was dropped. I thought we'd be seeing more of that, but he still misses gimmes like the first pass of the game to Kelly, still throws balls 5 yards out of bands on fade routes, still grossly overthrows deeps balls like the one to the end zone that almost ended up in the bleachers, and still seems hesitant to throw to receivers in single coverage unless they are wide open. I like that he doesn't turn the ball over and can make completions when he gets time, but there still seem to be too many deficiencies. Zorn or not, I don't see him getting signed by another team if he can only muster up another 12-13 TDs this year. Signed as a starter at least.

BUT, they can turn things around. It happens all the time in the NFL, and now that I've calmed down, I hope it happens for the Skins.

2 things - the Skins need to find ways to move the ball down the field without it taking more than 10 plays every friggin time and they need to score TDs when they get in the red zone (and sometimes when they don't). Worse problems have been corrected by other teams. They can do it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;593228]Isn't he at least partially responsible for moving from a franchise QB with durability issues in Pennington to Kellen Clemens to Brett Favre and finally to Sanchez? I'm missing what makes his slow and steady passing game so appealing while Zorn's is so irritating (not necessarily the opinion of the author of these comments).

I think a Zorn -> Schotty Jr. transition would go well, but in the end, the offense would be more or less under a similar philosophy.[/quote]

I don't follow your first line there.

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For some reason, I felt like looking back on some of my old posts to see what I thought "back then" about Zorn

Liked the idea of Zorn as an offensive coordinator

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/411413-post41.html[/url]

Totally called it on irish wanting Zorn as our head coach :)

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/411418-post43.html[/url]

Thought coaching the QBs and being the offensive coordinator was too much

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/413426-post121.html[/url]

Sort of eh about the hiring of him as head coach

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/419804-post38.html[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/419822-post53.html[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/420395-post290.html[/url]

What does it all mean? Nothing really, just interesting to look back and gauge my feelings then versus my feelings now

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[quote=SmootSmack;593236]I don't follow your first line there.[/quote]When he came to the Jets in 2006, Pennington was firmly entrenched as the starter, but was coming off of two lost injury seasons in the last three years. He had a fantastic 2006 season, but when the offense fell apart in 2007, the Jets made a coaching move to go with Kellen Clemens at quarterback.

It's debatable as to what role that had in bringing in Favre, and subsequently Sanchez, but how valuable is a coach who loses with/benches Chad Pennington anyway? That's a pretty glaring misevaluation, though I'm certainly in no position to say who's call that was.

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[quote=GTripp0012;593239]When he came to the Jets in 2006, Pennington was firmly entrenched as the starter, but was coming off of two lost injury seasons in the last three years. He had a fantastic 2006 season, but when the offense fell apart in 2007, the Jets made a coaching move to go with Kellen Clemens at quarterback.

It's debatable as to what role that had in bringing in Favre, and subsequently Sanchez, but how valuable is a coach who loses with/benches Chad Pennington anyway? That's a pretty glaring misevaluation, though I'm certainly in no position to say who's call that was.[/quote]

Maybe it's because I'm tired, but I'm just not following? Are you saying Schott could/should be at fault for Pennington not still being the starter there?

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[quote=SmootSmack;593241]Maybe it's because I'm tired, but I'm just not following? Are you saying Schott could/should be at fault for Pennington not still being the starter there?[/quote]I'm saying it's someone's fault other than Chad Pennington. Then I'm asking if you think Schottenheimer had anything to do with that.

I also was trying to point out that the Jets made a questionable quarterback decision in each of the last three seasons, and while that's certainly a personnel issue (I kinda think Tannenbaum is a dolt), I'm wondering what role the Mangini/Schottenheimer combo had in screwing up the QB situation.

If Schotty can be completely absolved from the mess with his QBs in NY, couldn't a similar argument work as a defense for Zorn not breaking through here?

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Give me Cam Cameron any day.