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[QUOTE=mredskins;1338046]if you won two SB in the past 4 years with the most dynamic offense around and the only gig you can find is WSH that is a red flag[/QUOTE]


He won them with Andy Reid and Patrick Mahommes. The best offensive coach and quarterback in the game. There is definitely a thought of how much does EB have to do with this?
It is a reasonable question.

EB needs to prove that he can run a strong offense without Reid and Mahommes. No better place than here to prove you can turn an offense around.

Reid said himself the guy needs to go run his own show.

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[QUOTE=simbosargos75;1338052]What site do you use?[/QUOTE]


Nfl mock draft database, pro football network, and pff. Im only drafting for us too not the whole league. Its like a three minute release. Lol

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[quote=punch it in;1338065]He won them with Andy Reid and Patrick Mahommes. The best offensive coach and quarterback in the game. There is definitely a thought of how much does EB have to do with this?
[B]It is a reasonable question. [/B]

EB needs to prove that he can run a strong offense without Reid and Mahommes. No better place than here to prove you can turn an offense around.

Reid said himself the guy needs to go run his own show.[/quote]

It is not a reasonable question when you have teams hiring DCs, ST coordinators, etc., etc. as HC.

Again, I keep bringing up McDaniels as an example of a HC who worked under a great coach/QB option who got many time overs opportunities to become a HC (and he's already failed at it once). Also, there is an entire history of Belichick tree coaches who have failed as HCs.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1338067][B]It is not a reasonable question when you have teams hiring DCs, ST coordinators, etc., etc. as HC. [/B]

Again, I keep bringing up McDaniels as an example of a HC who worked under a great coach/QB option who got many time overs opportunities to become a HC (and he's already failed at it once). Also, there is an entire history of Belichick tree coaches who have failed as HCs.[/quote]

what would be a reasonable question then?

this is confusing

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[quote=mredskins;1338068]what would be a reasonable question then?

this is confusing[/quote]

I probably didn't phrase that well. I feel like there are questions about EB that are not being asked when other coordinators/assistants that have been hired as head coaches.

And I feel like he has been involved in a successful organization for far too long for people to still have questions.

Look at every coach in the Belichick tree that has been hired solely for the reputation of being involved in a successful franchise. Yes, a lot of them have failed, but I feel like no one ever said "well he was successful because he worked under a great coach with a great QB." And this includes his DCs, given that BB is seen as a defensive-minded HC.

Unless EB goes and punches everyone in the face, and pisses and sh*ts himself during interviews, I don't get how he cannot get a job with the success he's had as an OC. And why there are a million questions/excuses as to why he's not a HC.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1338067]It is not a reasonable question when you have teams hiring DCs, ST coordinators, etc., etc. as HC.

Again, I keep bringing up McDaniels as an example of a HC who worked under a great coach/QB option who got many time overs opportunities to become a HC (and he's already failed at it once). Also, there is an entire history of Belichick tree coaches who have failed as HCs.[/QUOTE]


McDaniels is a perfect example of what im saying. Lol. Clearly the Pats success had nothing to do with him.
Is it fair to EB that he didn’t get a shot and McDaniels did? Nope. But it is reasonable to ask how much success is attributed to EB when it comes to the Chiefs. Also Reid is an offensive guy. BB is defense. So with EB it is well he has a great quarterback and HC. With McDaniels it was just the quarterback.

For the record i think EB deserves a shot. Im just throwing out reasons why teams may wonder and they might be thinking who couldn’t be a successful OC with Mahommes and Reid…

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[quote=punch it in;1338070]McDaniels is a perfect example of what im saying. Lol. Clearly the Pats success had nothing to do with him.
Is it fair to EB that he didn’t get a shot and McDaniels did? Nope. But it is reasonable to ask how much success is attributed to EB when it comes to the Chiefs. Also Reid is an offensive guy. BB is defense. So with EB it is well he has a great quarterback and HC. With McDaniels it was just the quarterback.

For the record i think EB deserves a shot. Im just throwing out reasons why teams may wonder and they might be thinking who couldn’t be a successful OC with Mahommes and Reid…[/quote]

Don't forget, McDaniels got a shot at being a HC, failed miserably, and then he got two additional opportunities (he turned down the Colts at the last minute before Reich became HC).

I'll be happy with EB as our OC, other teams' losses can be our gain.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1338071]Don't forget, McDaniels got a shot at being a HC, failed miserably, and then he got two additional opportunities (he turned down the Colts at the last minute before Reich became HC).

I'll be happy with EB as our OC, other teams' losses can be our gain.[/QUOTE]


McDaniels should never have gotten another shot. And me too!

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[quote=MTK;1338045]Sounds like it's EB as the first choice, Roman 2nd, and Shurmur is the fallback option.[/quote]

I gotta be honest, the gap between 1 and #2/3 is so big it makes me wonder how we ended up here.

If he does offer EB the job that's a hell of a risky transfer for EB - he could be looking at being on the street in a year or less if Ron can't get us out of mediocrity.

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[quote=mooby;1338082]I gotta be honest, the gap between 1 and #2/3 is so big it makes me wonder how we ended up here.

[B]If he does offer EB the job that's a hell of a risky transfer for EB - he could be looking at being on the street in a year or less if Ron can't get us out of mediocrity.[/B][/quote]

that is a glass half empty look

half full: EB could be the replacement for RR if he performs well

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1338083]that is a glass half empty look

half full: EB could be the replacement for RR if he performs well[/QUOTE]

The only scenario I see where EB replaces Ron is if he really gets this offense humming, and everything else falls apart. If he gets the offense humming and they win 10+ games, Ron isn't going anywhere. It may propel EB to opportunities elsewhere, but not here.

Anything less than 10 wins and they are all likely done.

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[quote=mooby;1338082]I gotta be honest, the gap between 1 and #2/3 is so big it makes me wonder how we ended up here.

If he does offer EB the job that's a hell of a risky transfer for EB - he could be looking at being on the street in a year or less if Ron can't get us out of mediocrity.[/quote]

Roman is well qualified and would do a good job here.

All things considered I think we're pretty lucky to have EB and GR at the top of our list.

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[quote=MTK;1338085]Roman is well qualified and would do a good job here.

All things considered I think we're pretty lucky to have EB and GR at the top of our list.[/quote]

I have to agree with you here. For me it's another example of RR really trying to get this thing going. He could have taken the easy route with Shurmer / Zampese, but he cast a wide net, interviewed nine candidates, and now the two most qualified candidates (EB & GR) appear to be the favorites to take the position.

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[quote=mredskins;1338083]that is a glass half empty look

half full: EB could be the replacement for RR if he performs well[/quote]

Very true. Obviously best case scenario he comes in, turns Howell/co. into studs and departs next year for a HC gig after saving Ron's ass.

That report about prospective owners contacting Payton about a potential HC gig here is a red flag though - new owner might not care to wait on Ron.

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I'd be surprised if EB doesn't accept the job today.. I think Ron and Co. will put a great offer out

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1338088]I'd be surprised if EB doesn't accept the job today.. I think Ron and Co. will put a great offer out[/quote]

Get EB….hard pass on Roman

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1338084]The only scenario I see where EB replaces Ron is if he really gets this offense humming, and everything else falls apart. If he gets the offense humming and they win 10+ games, Ron isn't going anywhere. It may propel EB to opportunities elsewhere, but not here.

Anything less than 10 wins and they are all likely done.[/quote]

i was thinking the same, because the D will probably stay solid

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there are rumors both EB and GR will be offered positions here in WSH

Commanders 2023 Off-Season Thread
 

[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1338084]The only scenario I see where EB replaces Ron is if he really gets this offense humming, and everything else falls apart. If he gets the offense humming and they win 10+ games, Ron isn't going anywhere. It may propel EB to opportunities elsewhere, but not here.

Anything less than 10 wins and they are all likely done.[/QUOTE]


Remember though, as Mooby also alluded to, that the potential owners already want an upgrade at HC.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1338086]I have to agree with you here. For me it's another example of RR really trying to get this thing going. He could have taken the easy route with Shurmer / Zampese, but he cast a wide net, interviewed nine candidates, and now the two most qualified candidates (EB & GR) appear to be the favorites to take the position.[/QUOTE]


What are the other examples of Ron really trying to get things going?

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The BEST-case scenario is new owner is announced today or very soon and they bring in a good GM who then picks a coach. EB could definitively be a candidate in that scenario.

I think RR took this organization from laughingstock to mediocre and we need a new coach to take us to the next level. But like many have said, new owner is the first shoe to drop to get this all started.

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[quote=punch it in;1338097]What are the other examples of Ron really trying to get things going?[/quote]

QB.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1338100]QB.[/QUOTE]


Subtle sarcasm?

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[QUOTE=ArizonaSkinFan;1338099]The BEST-case scenario is new owner is announced today or very soon and they bring in a good GM who then picks a coach. EB could definitively be a candidate in that scenario.

I think RR took this organization from laughingstock to mediocre and we need a new coach to take us to the next level. But like many have said, new owner is the first shoe to drop to get this all started.[/QUOTE]


Has our our on field play has ticked from laughing stock to mediocre? Off the field we are clearly still a laughing stock, though that is on the idiot owner. Always was really. On the field we ticked up real slightly as far as wins losses go from Gruden to Rivera. Not sure it is enough to call it a marked improvement.

Anyway yeah Snyder leaving is the first domino. And its a giant one.

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EB coming here would be an absolute career damaging move. Unless he is being pushed out in KC he should just stay there. He still has enough say over the offense in KC but I get the feeling, for whatever reason they want him to move on.

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[quote=punch it in;1338103][B]Has our our on field play has ticked from laughing stock to mediocre? [/B] Off the field we are clearly still a laughing stock, though that is on the idiot owner. Always was really. On the field we ticked up real slightly as far as wins losses go from Gruden to Rivera. Not sure it is enough to call it a marked improvement.

Anyway yeah Snyder leaving is the first domino. And its a giant one.[/quote]

I think it has. In the three years with RR 7-9,7-10, 8-8-1 with a back up QB running the show? That is pretty solid. Gruden had a 4-12 and 3-13 season.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1338106]I think it has. In the three years with RR 7-9,7-10, 8-8-1 with a back up QB running the show? That is pretty solid. Gruden had a 4-12 and 3-13 season.[/quote]

RR done a decent job, we all have to remember he is trying to grow a team with literally the worst upper management above him in the world. It has to be incredibly hard to cancel out the DS noise and focus on building a NFL team.

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EB is in the building

Me irl waiting:

[IMG]https://s.keepmeme.com/files/en_posts/20200903/sad-lonely-man-narcos-waiting-meme-901690d99bd70d5ded584463ce49c216.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=punch it in;1338102]Subtle sarcasm?[/quote]

No, not really. You can say that he hasn't succeeded in solving the QB riddle, but I don't think you can say he hasn't tried.

2020 - gave 1st round draft pick Haskins the opportunity. Didn't work. Released him. K Allen, A Smith T Heinicke all played. Won the division - lost to TB with TH.

2021 - Tried to get M Stafford (who went on to win the SB). Signed R Fitzpatrick, who could have been a good fit. He's injured in the first half of the first game - and it's TH the rest of the way (and K Allen and G Gilbert due to Covid)

2022 - Made an offer for R Wilson, inquired about many other QBs (including D Carr, M Trubisky, P Mahomes, etc.). Some inquiries were probably not realistic, but you can't say he didn't try. He settled for C Wentz. Paid him too much. He was bad. Also drafted S Howell.

2023? - Starts with bringing in a capable OC. He's interviewed nine candidates so far. We'll see who it is soon.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1338105]EB coming here would be an absolute career damaging move. Unless he is being pushed out in KC he should just stay there. He still has enough say over the offense in KC but I get the feeling, for whatever reason they want him to move on.[/quote]

He is being "pushed out" of KC only in the sense that it may be the only way he ever gets a HC opportunity.

I don't look at coming here as a career damaging move. He will have total control of this offense. If he is successful it will be the best move he ever made.

The only way this move will be career damaging is if he fails, which is possible, as we really don't know what we have in Howell yet - who is slated to be the starter as of today.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1338110]No, not really. You can say that he hasn't succeeded in solving the QB riddle, but I don't think you can say he hasn't tried.

2020 - gave 1st round draft pick Haskins the opportunity. Didn't work. Released him. K Allen, A Smith T Heinicke all played. Won the division - lost to TB with TH.

2021 - Tried to get M Stafford (who went on to win the SB). Signed R Fitzpatrick, who could have been a good fit. He's injured in the first half of the first game - and it's TH the rest of the way (and K Allen and G Gilbert due to Covid)

2022 - Made an offer for R Wilson, inquired about many other QBs (including D Carr, M Trubisky, P Mahomes, etc.). Some inquiries were probably not realistic, but you can't say he didn't try. He settled for C Wentz. Paid him too much. He was bad. Also drafted S Howell.

2023? - Starts with bringing in a capable OC. He's interviewed nine candidates so far. We'll see who it is soon.[/quote]

Very good recap, a few notes to add:

2020: Haskins was a Snyder pick, I really think if this wasn't the case, RR could have moved on from him quickly.

2021: Fitz could have become a good pick up if it wasn't for the injury. That said, RR's biggest mistake IMO is not drafting a project QB that year.

2022: People forget that Seattle was not going to allow a trade within the NFC.

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Realistically these are the QBs we could have drafted in 2021:

Justin Fields - would have had to trade up
Mac Jones - would have had to trade up
Kyle Trask
Kellen Mond
Davis Mills
Ian Book
Sam Ehlinger

At this point I don't think we'd be any better off had we drafted one of those guys.

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No Bieniemy announcement yet?

Im hoping he comes here, better candidate then I thought wed be able to attract. If he does come, I wonder if he brings some of his own from KC or hire some of his own assistants.

edit -- sounds like he is asking for 2.5M per.

[url]https://www.sportscasting.com/eric-bieniemy-contract-chiefs-oc-2-5m-decision-make/[/url]

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1338106]I think it has. In the three years with RR 7-9,7-10, 8-8-1 with a back up QB running the show? That is pretty solid. Gruden had a 4-12 and 3-13 season.[/QUOTE]


Yeah I mean he also has a better D, and better weapons. Listen Gruden was bad and old Ron isn’t much better. I would love to get EB in here. Have him and JDR. Ron can do Ron. Whatever the hell that entails. Idc. Maybe the players wanna play for him idk. All I know is I have this little voice in the back of my head and it sounds like Dan Snyder and he is murmuring about sticking around and trying to figure out a way to torment me for the rest of my life.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1338110]No, not really. You can say that he hasn't succeeded in solving the QB riddle, but I don't think you can say he hasn't tried.

2020 - gave 1st round draft pick Haskins the opportunity. Didn't work. Released him. K Allen, A Smith T Heinicke all played. Won the division - lost to TB with TH.

2021 - Tried to get M Stafford (who went on to win the SB). Signed R Fitzpatrick, who could have been a good fit. He's injured in the first half of the first game - and it's TH the rest of the way (and K Allen and G Gilbert due to Covid)

2022 - Made an offer for R Wilson, inquired about many other QBs (including D Carr, M Trubisky, P Mahomes, etc.). Some inquiries were probably not realistic, but you can't say he didn't try. He settled for C Wentz. Paid him too much. He was bad. Also drafted S Howell.

2023? - Starts with bringing in a capable OC. He's interviewed nine candidates so far. We'll see who it is soon.[/QUOTE]


Fair enough.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1338106]I think it has. In the three years with RR 7-9,7-10, 8-8-1 with a back up QB running the show? That is pretty solid. Gruden had a 4-12 and 3-13 season.[/quote]

Remember all of those Gruden primetime beatdowns/no shows.

Besides the good data others have replied with, not having those has ticked on field up to mediocre for me. I really hated seeing a prime time game on the schedule during the Gruden era. God awful

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[quote=ArizonaSkinFan;1338122]Remember all of those Gruden primetime beatdowns/no shows.

Besides the good data others have replied with, not having those has ticked on field up to mediocre for me. I really hated seeing a prime time game on the schedule during the Gruden era. God awful[/quote]

Ron Rivera is the cooler version of Jeff Fisher.

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[quote=punch it in;1338118]Yeah I mean he also has a better D, and better weapons. Listen Gruden was bad and old Ron isn’t much better. I would love to get EB in here. Have him and JDR. Ron can do Ron. Whatever the hell that entails. Idc. Maybe the players wanna play for him idk. All I know is I have this little voice in the back of my head and it sounds like Dan Snyder and he is murmuring about sticking around and trying to figure out a way to torment me for the rest of my life.[/quote]

I hear what you’re saying I think the first step in being a good team is not having shitty seasons. I love ravens and Steelers can have shitty qb play but still go 6-10 and not have a bad record

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[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/16/eric-bieniemy-commanders-plan-to-continue-interview-into-tomorrow/[/url]

Eric Bieniemy, Commanders plan to continue interview into tomorrow

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1338125][url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/16/eric-bieniemy-commanders-plan-to-continue-interview-into-tomorrow/[/url]

Eric Bieniemy, Commanders plan to continue interview into tomorrow[/quote]

Good sign imo. Really think Ron would pull a coup getting him here.

Side note…listening to the Sheehan and Thom podcast about this subject after work now, these guys are whining like little bitches about EB being the choice. Like it’s a problem he would chose here. Sometimes those two are so miserable