Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=MTK;1350506]All this nonsense in the offseason about EB being the savior, he's out next HC, blah blah. Fuck that guy. No way I want him leading this offense another year.[/quote]

THIS!!!!!!

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=Chico23231;1350556]I’m sorry, terrry needs to make one of those catches yesterday just like Dotson needed to make that catch last week. The sack by Reddick was 1000% on Wylie as well. He wasn’t perfect, but Howell had a great game. Overal, the protection was good too, there is a correlation there[/quote]

When the other teams knows you're throwing the ball every single down, they're going to get some on you as you'll get some on them. When you are throwing 52 passes sacks, ints, batted balls, dropped balls are gonna happen. But for Terry to drop two in a row... Brutal.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

We are on a path towards that weird moment where Sam seems to be the guy, and we have a top 5 pick with a guy like Drake Maye sitting there….

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1350576]We are on a path towards that weird moment where Sam seems to be the guy, and we have a top 5 pick with a guy like Drake Maye sitting there….[/quote]

If Maye is available when you are picking, you take him. I like Howell, but I'm not passing on an elite QB prospect if we're picking that high.

Howell is still valuable even if just as the back-up QB. He is on a cheap ass contract.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Howell ain’t a backup .. you guys do realize we picked Young with number 2 overall pick … how’s that working out ??
How many can’t miss QBs are huge flops .. a lot
Let’s see Cousins was a mid-late rounder and he was the best we had in a while … until now …Sam in my opinion is the QB !! Let’s get him help like a Oline and a TE … I’m tired of this team moving on from our best players ..why not trade Sam now .. we can get number one for him .. I’ll bet minny would do that !! My point is we got a young Qb that has had some struggles but he is growing and I believe will be a starter for a long time ..

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[quote=MTK;1350565]Probably a mix of overrated players and an overrated DC

Either way, it's a seriously underperforming unit for whatever reason[/quote]

Seriously underperforming - for a unit that was supposed to be the strength of the team this year. 2nd to last in points per game allowed, and bottom of the pack in most defensive stats that matter. It's hard to believe that JDR still has a job. Who TF would replace him though. There's no unit that is playing well, so who would you 'promote'?

Both Ron and Jack's sons are on the coaching staff. I didn't even know that... What a joke.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1350578]If Maye is available when you are picking, you take him. I like Howell, but I'm not passing on an elite QB prospect if we're picking that high.

Howell is still valuable even if just as the back-up QB. He is on a cheap ass contract.[/quote]

No need for a QB, 1st pick should be a LT, second pick a RT, 3rd pick a MLB.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=rocnrik;1350579]Howell ain’t a backup .. you guys do realize we picked Young with number 2 overall pick … how’s that working out ??
How many can’t miss QBs are huge flops .. a lot
Let’s see Cousins was a mid-late rounder and he was the best we had in a while … until now …Sam in my opinion is the QB !! Let’s get him help like a Oline and a TE … I’m tired of this team moving on from our best players ..why not trade Sam now .. we can get number one for him .. I’ll bet minny would do that !! My point is we got a young Qb that has had some struggles but he is growing and I believe will be a starter for a long time ..[/quote]

Teams are allowed to have 2 of the top 32 QBs in the league. There isn't any rule where every team gets 1 of them. I'm not passing on Maye if he's available. And I really like Howell. We can have both for 2 years if that's what is needed.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1350581]No need for a QB, 1st pick should be a LT, second pick a RT, 3rd pick a MLB.[/quote]

If Maye is available, I'm taking him. I like Howell, but I'm not passing on a potential elite QB.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=rocnrik;1350579]Howell ain’t a backup .. you guys do realize we picked Young with number 2 overall pick … how’s that working out ??
How many can’t miss QBs are huge flops .. a lot
Let’s see Cousins was a mid-late rounder and he was the best we had in a while … until now …Sam in my opinion is the QB !! Let’s get him help like a Oline and a TE … I’m tired of this team moving on from our best players ..why not trade Sam now .. we can get number one for him .. I’ll bet minny would do that !! My point is we got a young Qb that has had some struggles but he is growing and I believe will be a starter for a long time ..[/quote]

Unless Sam flops big time over the rest of this year's games, I am absolutely rolling with him next year. I'm not sniffing a QB in the first round. Sam has had his bad moments, but considering the position he has been put in most of the year, I'm not sure how you could have a negative opinion about him after 9 total games in the NFL.

Who was the last "can't miss" QB, Trevor Lawrence? So far Sam has played better than Trevor did through his first 9 games. Give Sam an OL, an OC who isn't trying to lead the league in passing attempts per game, and a defense that isn't trying to lead the league in yards per play, and he could really thrive.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Every position has top 10 picks that flop. They just don't get the same attention.

Not drafting a QB because he might flop isn't the best strategy imo.

You can like 1 player, and still take another 1 if you can get him. Drafting Maye doesn't take away from Howell.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1350585]Every position has top 10 picks that flop. They just don't get the same attention.

Not drafting a QB because he might flop isn't the best strategy imo.

You can like 1 player, and still take another 1 if you can get him. Drafting Maye doesn't take away from Howell.[/quote]

It would take away from the desperate need to draft potentially great OL tho.

This team needs a lot of help but OL is a big priority

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Draft Maye so we can do this all again next year most likely lead the league in sacks again and torture another young qb.

That just doesn't interest me and further to that I think Sam is going to be really good. Time will tell but thats where I'm seeing him go

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1350583]If Maye is available, I'm taking him. I like Howell, but I'm not passing on a potential elite QB.[/quote]

Who’s to say Sam won’t be elite, he sure is showing a lot of good things.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1350581]No need for a QB, 1st pick should be a LT, second pick a RT, 3rd pick a MLB.[/QUOTE]


I don’t disagree with this at all. I was just pointing out the obvious decision that could be there come draft day.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1350591]Who’s to say Sam won’t be elite, he sure is showing a lot of good things.[/quote]

I like Howell. But it wouldn't stop me from drafting Maye if he was available. I'd rather too many QBs than not enough.

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Sam Howell is the only young QB I can ever remember to be top 10 in every single box score number and top half of the league in every advanced analytics number and still get ZERO national respect at all. If he was a rookie 4th OVR this year people would be praising him

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1350612]Sam Howell is the only young QB I can ever remember to be top 10 in every single box score number and top half of the league in every advanced analytics number and still get ZERO national respect at all. If he was a rookie 4th OVR this year people would be praising him[/quote]



He'll get national respect sooner or later. His lack of respect is because Ron Rivera is his head coach.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Based on stats alone, Howell has easily outplayed:

Mac Jones
Tranny Dymes
Tannahill
Jordan Love
Russ Wilson
Kenny Pickett
Justin Fields
Deshuan Watson
Jimmy G

He has been better than these guys

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Probably doesn't mean much since teammates are supposed to say things like this but Allen has declared that [URL="https://www.audacy.com/thefandc/sports/washington-commanders/jon-allen-tells-the-junkies-sam-howell-is-our-franchise-qb"]Howell is our franchise QB[/URL].

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

I think he def is next season, we don't need to be drafting a QB in the 1st RD with so many other needs

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1350612]Sam Howell is the only young QB I can ever remember to be top 10 in every single box score number and top half of the league in every advanced analytics number and still get ZERO national respect at all. If he was a rookie 4th OVR this year people would be praising him[/quote]

Brian Baldinger loves him but I agree you never hear about Howell and that's because he's in WSH. If he played anywhere else you'd hear about him. Nobody cares about WSH Football

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1350584]Unless Sam flops big time over the rest of this year's games, I am absolutely rolling with him next year. I'm not sniffing a QB in the first round. Sam has had his bad moments, but considering the position he has been put in most of the year, I'm not sure how you could have a negative opinion about him after 9 total games in the NFL.

[B]Who was the last "can't miss" QB, Trevor Lawrence? So far Sam has played better than Trevor did through his first 9 games[/B]. Give Sam an OL, an OC who isn't trying to lead the league in passing attempts per game, and a defense that isn't trying to lead the league in yards per play, and he could really thrive.[/quote]

Bro, he had Urban Myers

I would trade SH in a heart beat for Lawrence

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=Chico23231;1350619]Based on stats alone, Howell has easily outplayed:

Mac Jones
Tranny Dymes
Tannahill
Jordan Love
Russ Wilson
Kenny Pickett
Justin Fields
Deshuan Watson
Jimmy G

He has been better than these guys[/quote]


that is a weak list, i wouldn't want any of them sans Watson if he wasn't a sex offender and his contract

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=mredskins;1350626]Bro, he had Urban Myers

I would trade SH in a heart beat for Lawrence[/quote]

LOL, we have Ron Rivera and Eric Bieniemy.

Just sayin', so far Sam has looked better and played better through his first 9 games. Can he sustain that? Maybe...

But with how he is playing, I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't - and we don't have the luxury to - roll the dice on a 1st round QB with all the other needs. What we need to do is add a couple more picks and use half the draft on the O-line, and the other half on the back 7 of the defense.

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[quote=mredskins;1350627]that is a weak list, i wouldn't want any of them sans Watson if he wasn't a sex offender and his contract[/quote]

Ok, check Patrick Mahomes stats, almost the same. Patrick has 2 more TD’s and 112 more passing yards.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1350632]Ok, check Patrick Mahomes stats, almost the same. Patrick has 2 more TD’s and 112 more passing yards.[/quote]

i still take Patrick over him

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1350631]LOL, we have Ron Rivera and Eric Bieniemy.

Just sayin', so far Sam has looked better and played better through his first 9 games. Can he sustain that? Maybe...

But with how he is playing, I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't - and we don't have the luxury to - roll the dice on a 1st round QB with all the other needs. What we need to do is add a couple more picks and use half the draft on the O-line, and the other half on the back 7 of the defense.[/quote]

i am not going argue that RR and EB suck but Myers was a whole different level of suck.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=mredskins;1350635]i am not going argue that RR and EB suck but Myers was a whole different level of suck.[/quote]

Urban Myers was a whole new level of terrible, the likes that we haven't seen since Spurrier.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1350623]Brian Baldinger loves him but I agree you never hear about Howell and that's because he's in WSH. If he played anywhere else you'd hear about him. Nobody cares about WSH Football[/quote]

I agree with what you are saying, but, at the end of the day, increased media love doesn't make SH, our coaching/schemes, or our results as a team any better.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

You have to earn media love. If he is the guy he will

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[quote=mredskins;1350635]i am not going argue that RR and EB suck but Myers was a whole different level of suck.[/quote]

Don't let the fact that our RR has lasted longer than Urban did, fool you into thinking he is any better. I'm sure he's a much better person, but with regard to football smarts, I am not so sure.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1350637]Urban Myers was a whole new level of terrible, the likes that we haven't seen since Spurrier.[/quote]

That was their mistake. Dyslexic FO signed Mike Myers dad instead of Urban Meyer...

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=mredskins;1350627]that is a weak list, i wouldn't want any of them sans Watson if he wasn't a sex offender and his contract[/quote]

Watson has stunk. Wouldn't even look his way.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Kelce bros giving Sam Howell some love:

[url]https://twitter.com/misterwhoo1/status/1720231338496712818?s=46&t=LX8ujuAuFaeygNJ88L2t7Q[/url]

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

You guys comparing Howell and Mahomes?
SH threw 52 check down passes last game.

Sam is playing twinkle twinkle little star on piano while Pat is Mozart.
One is not like the other.

The pat you should be comparing him to is sack machine Patrick Ramsey.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=jamf;1350976]You guys comparing Howell and Mahomes?
SH threw 52 check down passes last game.

Sam is playing twinkle twinkle little star on piano while Pat is Mozart.
One is not like the other.

The pat you should be comparing him to is sack machine Patrick Ramsey.[/quote]

Nobody is as good as Mahomes, he's probably the 2nd best QB I've ever seen and he's 28 YO. He's a magician out there and his arm talent is underrated at that.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

I’m gonna be honest, the Sam Howell performances at Giants and Bears were more a problem with game plan and offensive coordinator. I lay the blame there. If the game plan, scheme and play calls were better, Sam would been ok.

The only game where I went, “damn Sam! What are you doing?” Was the Buffalo game where he just stunk to high heaven.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=Chico23231;1350983]I’m gonna be honest, the Sam Howell performances at Giants and Bears were more a problem with game plan and offensive coordinator. I lay the blame there. If the game plan, scheme and play calls were better, Sam would been ok.

The only game where I went, “damn Sam! What are you doing?” Was the Buffalo game where he just stunk to high heaven.[/quote]

Yeah I agree

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=mooby;1350973]Kelce bros giving Sam Howell some love:

[url]https://twitter.com/misterwhoo1/status/1720231338496712818?s=46&t=LX8ujuAuFaeygNJ88L2t7Q[/url][/quote]

Most people who haves watch football for awhile can easily see Sam Howell is the best QB we have had here since Cousins.

Those who know, know

Let’s see how he finishes the season. While I understand why EB goes pass crazy against the Eagles best run defense in the league, he needs to use the run and an effective run gp at that, to help Sam against other defenses.