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[quote=success52;1184282]So are you telling me the NFC teams who are in the playoff this year will regress next year. CMON Man!

So you are predicting the Redskins as a playoff team next year!

Keep betting on Kirk and Jay. If you thinks the Redskins are ready for the next level with the current coaching staff and players, your football IQ is in question[/quote]

You're a Chat bot?

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[quote=success52;1184282]So are you telling me the NFC teams who are in the playoff this year will regress next year. CMON Man!

So you are predicting the Redskins as a playoff team next year!

Keep betting on Kirk and Jay. If you thinks the Redskins are ready for the next level with the current coaching staff and players, your football IQ is in question[/quote]

Every year there's typically around 6 new teams in the playoffs. Look at this year, did you think the Jags or Vikings with no Bradford would make it? Nobody even thought the Jags would have a winning record.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1184227][url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2017 OFFENSE EFFICIENCY RATINGS[/url]



Seattle's run game is better than ours. 21st v 28th.



We have played the 6th toughest defensive schedule while Seattle played the 16th.



We are ranked 11th in passing offense while Seattle is ranked 15th.



Seattle's defense is better than ours:[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2017 DEFENSE EFFICIENCY RATINGS[/url]



Kirk has a better DVOA and DYAR while playing much tougher defenses: [url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2017[/url]



The Skins have 20 on IR not counting Cravens: [url=http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/WAS]2017 Washington Redskins Depth Chart | Ourlads.com[/url]



Seattle has 17 on IR:

[url=http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/SEA]2017 Seattle Seahawks Depth Chart | Ourlads.com[/url]



We also beat Seattle in Seattle.



Here is the box score: [url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400951765]Redskins vs. Seahawks - Box Score - November 5, 2017 - ESPN[/url]



Wilson had a 55% completion percentage against our defense and 2 interceptions while his running game averaged 5.3 yards per carry.



Kirk had a 67% completion rating against their defense, zero interceptions while our running game averaged 2.2 yards per carry.



Despite a lesser run game, lesser defense, and more injuries Kirk is playing better (or at least as good) and is shouldering more of the burden of the offense.[/QUOTE]



Nice post. [emoji106]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1184273]This already tells me your NFL knowledge is pretty low, or suspect at best. The league is unpredictable. To come on here tell us that you already know who the division winners are a year from now isn't a good way for anyone to take you seriously.[/quote]

C'mon man don't be ridiculous, EVERY BODY with a little bit of football knowledge saw the Eagles winning the division one year ago !

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not.

Couldn't you guys turn this thread into a food one? This is making sad. I don't like to be sad.

I like food.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1184299]C'mon man don't be ridiculous, EVERY BODY with a little bit of football knowledge saw the Eagles winning the division one year ago !

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not.

[B]Couldn't you guys turn this thread into a food one?[/B] This is making sad. I don't like to be sad.

I like food.[/quote]

Please don't! I'm trying to diet right now.

You could always check out the boob thread. That should improve your mood.

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Guys don’t you know all the same teams make the playoffs each year

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1184227][url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2017 OFFENSE EFFICIENCY RATINGS[/url]

Seattle's run game is better than ours. 21st v 28th.

We have played the 6th toughest defensive schedule while Seattle played the 16th.

We are ranked 11th in passing offense while Seattle is ranked 15th.

Seattle's defense is better than ours:[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2017 DEFENSE EFFICIENCY RATINGS[/url]

Kirk has a better DVOA and DYAR while playing much tougher defenses: [url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2017[/url]

The Skins have 20 on IR not counting Cravens: [url=http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/WAS]2017 Washington Redskins Depth Chart | Ourlads.com[/url]

Seattle has 17 on IR:
[url=http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/SEA]2017 Seattle Seahawks Depth Chart | Ourlads.com[/url]

We also beat Seattle in Seattle.

Here is the box score: [url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400951765]Redskins vs. Seahawks - Box Score - November 5, 2017 - ESPN[/url]

Wilson had a 55% completion percentage against our defense and 2 interceptions while his running game averaged 5.3 yards per carry.

Kirk had a 67% completion rating against their defense, zero interceptions while our running game averaged 2.2 yards per carry.

Despite a lesser run game, lesser defense, and more injuries Kirk is playing better (or at least as good) and is shouldering more of the burden of the offense.[/quote]Very interesting article by Andy Benoit about the paradox of Russell Wilson: [url]https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/12/13/russell-wilson-seattle-seahawks-mvp-darrell-bevell[/url]

Wilson has long stretches where he is just awful. Case in point was the first 3 quarters against the Redskins this year. Comparing a process-oriented, read the field QB like Cousins to an improviser like Wilson is difficult. That said, both are the best players on their respective offenses.

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Once Wilson loses a step his game will fall apart. He’s not a guy that’s going to drop back and consistently beat you from the pocket. His game is all about off schedule plays.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1184299]C'mon man don't be ridiculous, EVERY BODY with a little bit of football knowledge saw the Eagles winning the division one year ago !

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not.

Couldn't you guys turn this thread into a food one? This is making sad. I don't like to be sad.

I like food.[/quote]

For Christmas I changed things up and made short ribs w/ mashed potatoes. What a great meal. Marinated the short ribs in red wine. The recipe is on You Tube. I copied it from Wolfgang Puck. I was surprised just how good those short ribs tasted w/ mashed potatoes. I mean I could have served that shit right up the street at Liberty Tavern.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1184346]For Christmas I changed things up and made short ribs w/ mashed potatoes. What a great meal. Marinated the short ribs in red wine. The recipe is on You Tube. I copied it from Wolfgang Puck. I was surprised just how good those short ribs tasted w/ mashed potatoes. I mean I could have served that shit right up the street at Liberty Tavern.[/quote]

Sounds delicious.
Among many things my wife made lightly cooked oysters with marinated tofu Japanese style, that was surprisingly awesome.
We usually have oysters simply served fresh or with a tiny bit of lemon, but that was delicious.

Also a turkey stuffed with minced veal meat mixed with foie gras. I'm still digesting it but that was great!

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Is there any scenario where the Skins could get top compensation for Cousins? I would hate to think that we lose Cousins and get nothing at all.

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[quote=rocnrik;1184352]Is there any scenario where the Skins could get top compensation for Cousins? I would hate to think that we lose Cousins and get nothing at all.[/quote]

We could do another tag and try to trade him, but let's be honest nobody is giving up top dollar for a good qb they know will most likely test the market.

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This Kirk Cousins fiasco needs to end.....I can't believe we are headed into the 3rd straight off-season talking about Cousins.....this is a reflection on the team's brass, namely that fool Bruce Allen....if A.J. Smith or Joe Gibbs we're the team president Cousins would have signed a long term deal after the 2015 NFL season.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=success52;1184282]So are you telling me the NFC teams who are in the playoff this year will regress next year. CMON Man!

So you are predicting the Redskins as a playoff team next year!

Keep betting on Kirk and Jay. If you thinks the Redskins are ready for the next level with the current coaching staff and players, your football IQ is in question[/quote]

Playoff teams regress every year. Look at Carolina a year ago. They went from SB to 6-10.

Also I never said I was betting on Gruden or Cousins. I'm not the biggest fan of Gruden at all and Cousins should only be resigned at the right price.

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Can we sign him to new contract on Monday? That would be good way to go into 2018. When is the DL to apply franchise tag? Having hard time location it.

I know once applied, teams have until mid July to try to finalize an actual contract.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1184392]Can we sign him to new contract on Monday? That would be good way to go into 2018. When is the DL to apply franchise tag? Having hard time location it.

I know once applied, teams have until mid July to try to finalize an actual contract.[/QUOTE]Let's hope a contract is waiting for him in the locker room at the end of today's game and we can stop talking about this. It's been 2 years. Stawp.

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Well this could be the last game Kirk is in B&G. Hope he goes out well

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It won’t be his last game here.

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I'm calling it, 300 yards and 5 touchdowns for Kirk today. He just wants to remind us what a real qb looks like before he walks out the door and leaves us with Osweiler or some other junker.

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Wow he was awful today. 3 ints. No tds. That's not good.

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[quote=mooby;1184424]I'm calling it, 300 yards and 5 touchdowns for Kirk today. He just wants to remind us what a real qb looks like before he walks out the door and leaves us with Osweiler or some other junker.[/quote]

Dont remember the movie,just remember Jim Carrey saying the line,"wow,I was way off!":saywhat::(:cussing::doh::Flush::laughing2

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1184579]Wow he was awful today. 3 ints. No tds. That's not good.

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Yes,against a secondary that is missing 3 starters and supposed to be horrible,thanks for letting the Giants look All-Pro today Kurt

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1184579]Wow he was awful today. 3 ints. No tds. That's not good.

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Hopefully that puts him in the bargain bin. He never was as good as his numbers would make you think he is, at crucial times he always laid an egg. Some Qbs are better than they look on paper, some are worse, Kirk is the later. If he can be had for what a little better than average QB can be had for take him, if not send him packing.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1184638]Hopefully that puts him in the bargain bin. He never was as good as his numbers would make you think he is, at crucial times he always laid an egg. Some Qbs are better than they look on paper, some are worse, Kirk is the later. If he can be had for what a little better than average QB can be had for take him, if not send him packing.[/quote]

I agree with this statement. Kirk is just slightly better than the average Qb in this league. If we give him top tier money, I think we sell ourselves short in talent elsewhere.

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Yes, he's good as gone:( Thanks for the memories Kirk.

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[quote=mooby;1184424]I'm calling it, 300 yards and 5 touchdowns for Kirk today. He just wants to remind us what a real qb looks like before he walks out the door and leaves us with Osweiler or some other junker.[/quote]

Clearly I jinxed us lolol.

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Kirk Cousins against nfc east: 1-5, 9 TDs, 9 INTs, 4 FL, 79.4 rating. Clutch!

Edit: Those 5 games are they difference between winning the nfc east and being 7-9. I know he isn't all till blame for the record this year, but his performance in these all important divisional games is telling debatably.

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your right it isn't all his fault but he is the one wanting a huge payday. Not worth anywhere near top dollar

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Judge him on his resume here, not his last game. If you’re ready to move on and think we don’t need a QB that routinely puts up 4000 yards and 30 TDs so be it.

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We have lucky pick#13 and there are at least 4-5 teams ahead of us that need a QB, the wise choice is to resign Cousins.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1184698]We have lucky pick#13 and there are at least 4-5 teams ahead of us that need a QB, the wise choice is to resign Cousins.[/quote]

That is good logic if we can get him for a reasonable price (even 26 a year would be reasonable now). But then we need to take Barkley or Guice in the first and sign the best free agent WR we can find.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1184698]We have lucky pick#13 and there are at least 4-5 teams ahead of us that need a QB, the wise choice is to resign Cousins.[/quote]

There are probably 4 or 5 1st round QBs......teams are not going to pass on players like Barkley to pick a QB.... should be a decent QB left at #13

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Draft barkley at 13

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This is 2016 all over again. Kirk leaves you with just enough justification to move on, but still puts enough doubt in your mind of finding someone else just as good. This season has at least proved that Kirk, alone, can get you around 7 or 8 wins, and with healthy weapons, he can probably get you 10 wins. But a, put the team on my back and I'll take them to the playoffs quarterback? Probably not your guy. Hard to win with third stringers on offense, but still, he is a solid quarterback. With Gruden set in stone to be back in 2018, I need one more year, a healthy year, the final make it or break it year, before I'm finally ok with moving on.

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A decent college QB who may or may not be an NFL starter. Wow, we all have such short memories and high standards for QBs now.

Kirk has broken how many franchise records?

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[url]http://www.espn.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/79866/kirk-cousins-season-finale-provides-fodder-for-critics[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1184705]Draft barkley at 13

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And then draft a NT round 2 and Billy Price LG Ohio State round 3

That’s my dream draft right now

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1184719]A decent college QB who may or may not be an NFL starter. Wow, we all have such short memories and high standards for QBs now.

Kirk has broken how many franchise records?[/quote]

Records? Wins take you to the playoffs. Not individual stats. Losing 9 games , lot of yards when the game was out of reach and defense playing prevent.

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[quote=Randall Nestor;1184693]your right it isn't all his fault but he is the one wanting a huge payday. Not worth anywhere near top dollar[/quote]

Agree!!!!!

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After watching him so closely over the past seasons while he has been our starter, I have came to a few conclusions that may or not be agreed on with other posters here.

I do not think Kirk is in "elite" status like Brady or Brees, etc., but I think that he is VERY GOOD, and easily a top 10 NFL QB. My impression of him is that he is a very, very high level game manager. I think he needs to have an above average team around him for him to win a super bowl. That being said, Kirk wins a lot of games in the NFL.

I am kind of shocked at seeing so many posts on other boards (Not really here) where they can't wait for someone else to come in at QB. And I'm like, really? We might be walking away from a guy who routinely puts up 30 TD's and is among the best in passing yards, etc.. Kirk is easily the best QB that we've had here IMO since Brad Johnson, and while we are the team that is known for making stupid moves, letting Cousins go has to be the all time stupidest.