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We can't fuck this up, can we?

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Trade Cousins and use the 49ers # 2 overall pick to draft Deshaun Watson and the best defensive player at # 17. We'd basically get a new QB with way more upside at a fraction of the cost, we could use that money to sign other free agents or roll over into the following years cap. I know people don't think as highly as Watson as I do, but I would be down w/ that.

And people have already hit on this, there is no way we're giving our # 17 overall pick as part of any Cousins trade. That would be full retard and you never go full retard.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1165622]Trade Cousins and use the 49ers # 2 overall pick to draft Deshaun Watson and the best defensive player at # 17. We'd basically get a new QB with way more upside at a fraction of the cost, we could use that money to sign other free agents or roll over into the following years cap. I know people don't think as highly as Watson as I do, but I would be down w/ that.

And people have already hit on this, there is no way we're giving our # 17 overall pick as part of any Cousins trade. That would be full retard and you never go full retard.[/QUOTE]
No to Watson, he's not accurate at all and he'd be another one hit wonder. I'd rather use that pick on an impact player from the Start and sign a vet QB for a couple years. Maybe take Watson at 17 but that's pushing it

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1165623]No to Watson, he's not accurate at all and he'd be another one hit wonder. I'd rather use that pick on an impact player from the Start and sign a vet QB for a couple years. Maybe take Watson at 17 but that's pushing it[/quote]

Like I said, I seem to like him more than everyone else. But he is more than a 1 year wonder. He was awesome at Clemson each year he was there, including beating what many people were discussing as one of the better teams of all times in the championship game. He completed over 67% his passes every year for 3 years.

I think his accuracy is ok, but he needs to cut down on the INTs.

If we didn't pick a QB though, we couldn't go wrong with getting J. Allen from Alabama.

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Fire Allen, problem solved!!

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1165624]Like I said, I seem to like him more than everyone else. But he is more than a 1 year wonder. He was awesome at Clemson each year he was there, including beating what many people were discussing as one of the better teams of all times in the championship game. He completed over 67% his passes every year for 3 years.



I think his accuracy is ok, but he needs to cut down on the INTs.



If we didn't pick a QB though, we couldn't go wrong with getting J. Allen from Alabama.[/QUOTE]



RG3 was pretty awesome in College as well.


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Can't believe I'm even asking this but would you rather have Cutler or Romo? Excuse me now while I go and vomit.

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Cutler. I've hated Romo so much for so many years, I couldn't bring myself to like him ever.

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Romo. We tried zero leadership with Jeff George.

Besides, I just think how hard I would laugh if Romo won SB w/ skins before Jerry did w/ Dak. Unlikley, I know but worth thinking about.....LOL

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[quote=MTK;1165628]Can't believe I'm even asking this but would you rather have Cutler or Romo? Excuse me now while I go and vomit.[/quote]

Romo, without question

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Romo for sure. Cutler is a non-starter because of attitude.

I still think Cousins signs long term. I'm not buying Daniel Jeremiah as a source. I'll wait for the plugged in guys to hear a whisper.

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[quote=MTK;1165628]Can't believe I'm even asking this but would you rather have Cutler or Romo? Excuse me now while I go and vomit.[/quote]

I would rather have Alex Smith, because it makes more sense to have him as a stop gap. For one thing, the Cowboys are not going to allow Tony Romo to sign with a division rival. I would be shocked if this happens. What that would tell me is that the Cowboys know Tony Romo is done and what better way to further the gap between you and your most hated rival than to jettison your long time, broken down, franchise quarterback to them and show the world that he can't play a 16 game season.

I won't even comment on Jay Cutler because I think everybody knows he's trash. I would go with Alex Smith, because while he's a game manager at best, you can get into the playoffs with Smith, you can even win a playoff game with Smith. He's a solid stop gap and probably wouldn't cost much to pick up. Plus, he's a Scot McCloughan pick, so if the Chiefs decided to move on from Alex Smith, it would make way too much sense if the Redskins moved on from Kirk Cousins.

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I think the main thing is that Romo will get straight up cut. No one wants to trade for him AND take on that contract. I hate Cutler too, but man I've hated Romo's face for soooo many years and that stupid duck move that no one could ever figure out.

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[quote=Schneed10;1165632]Romo for sure. Cutler is a non-starter because of attitude.

I still think Cousins signs long term. I'm not buying [B]Daniel Jeremiah [/B]as a source. I'll wait for the plugged in guys to hear a whisper.[/quote]

This was my concern, but listening to Mike Robinson driving in he said Jeremiah is a guy who is locked into many football front office circles and is a legitimate source. Robinson said he loves him some ian rapport, but Jeremiah info is more background stuff...the details of why things happen.

Mike Rob said he's heard the problem is the same he's heard since mid season about Cousins and it comes down to is Cousins a 23-25 million per year player?...he said look at the win-loss record as starter...that matters more than the numbers. Also remember how they finished the season, good QB get the win to get in (the playoffs).

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I hope they sign Cousins however if they don't and we don't get a huge haul from a trade then I am done with this team. at least 2 first round picks and maybe more. who ever makes the trade is looking at Cousins as the franchise QB and they don't come cheap..one reason I believe the Skins do not want to sign Cousins to Huge long term deal is simple.They do not believe the team as a whole even with Cousins is a deep playoff team. my problem with that is who the heck else is out there who can get us 9 wins on the cheap?? if i thought Colt Mccoy could win us 9 games and we could use all the number one draft picks from trade and not whiff on any of them and get three top pro bowl starters out of it then it might make sense ..BUT that is a lot of IFS..

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I'd rather pick up Tyrod Taylor and draft Trubisky with that second pick.

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[quote=Chico23231;1165635]This was my concern, but listening to Mike Robinson driving in he said Jeremiah is a guy who is locked into many football front office circles and is a legitimate source. Robinson said he loves him some ian rapport, but Jeremiah info is more background stuff...the details of why things happen.

Mike Rob said he's heard the problem is the same he's heard since mid season about Cousins and it comes down to is Cousins a 23-25 million per year player?...[B]he said look at the win-loss record as starter...that matters more than the numbers[/B]. [U]Also remember how they finished the season, good QB get the win to get in (the playoffs)[/U].[/quote]

On the bolded, that's about the most limited thinking I've ever heard. Yeah because all defenses are created equal, so we can put the W vs L entirely on the QB. Stupid.

On the underlined, that's actually a valid point, because the defense actually played well against the Giants and Kirk was a major part of the problem with the offense.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1165637]I'd rather pick up Tyrod Taylor and draft Trubisky with that second pick.[/quote]

:puke:

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1165636]I hope they sign Cousins however if they don't and we don't get a huge haul from a trade then I am done with this team. at least 2 first round picks and maybe more. who ever makes the trade is looking at Cousins as the franchise QB and they don't come cheap..one reason I believe the Skins do not want to sign Cousins to Huge long term deal is simple.They do not believe the team as a whole even with Cousins is a deep playoff team. my problem with that is who the heck else is out there who can get us 9 wins on the cheap?? if i thought Colt Mccoy could win us 9 games and we could use all the number one draft picks from trade and not whiff on any of them and get three top pro bowl starters out of it then it might make sense ..BUT that is a lot of IFS..[/QUOTE]



I agree. We need to sign him and than use all other resources (or 90% of them ) on defense. How anyone could have watched this team for the last two years and not come to that obvious and simple conclusion is beyond me. If he walks I am not only done with this team but I guess the NFL because I could never root for anyone else. SAD! lol

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1165640]:puke:[/quote]

So you would go with McCoy and Sudfeld?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1165642]So you would go with McCoy and Sudfeld?[/quote]

:puke:

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[quote=Schneed10;1165639][B]On the bolded, that's about the most limited thinking I've ever heard. Yeah because all defenses are created equal, so we can put the W vs L entirely on the QB. Stupid[/B].

On the underlined, that's actually a valid point, because the defense actually played well against the Giants and Kirk was a major part of the problem with the offense.[/quote]

Yeah I kinda think that way too, but I think his point too is don't get wrapped up with just the passing numbers. Does almost 5000 yards 25 td tell the entire story. He hinting at you got to look at the entire picture to justify 24 million per year for 1 player.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1165639]On the bolded, that's about the most limited thinking I've ever heard. Yeah because all defenses are created equal, so we can put the W vs L entirely on the QB. Stupid.



On the underlined, that's actually a valid point, because the defense actually played well against the Giants and Kirk was a major part of the problem with the offense.[/QUOTE]



Agreed on both accounts. Win loss only holds so much weight. Very little if you are looking at one position. An important one, but still one guy. If we had half a defense our team wins 11-12 games last year.
As for the second point - yes KC did not play well. But that is one game. As far as him not playing well in big games - how many big games has he actually played in? Lol.

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first off I am getting very tired of Cousins, I was driving the Cousings train for a long time but the more and more I see and hear he is coming off as a petulant child. Right now he is acting like my 5 year old and saying if your not nice to me I am going to sulk in my room. GROW UP, this is a buisness they were trying to make sure that you were worth the money don't take it personally.

If we can get a decent trade then run with it and Kirk you enjoy your time in SF and the rebuild you will win nothing, or Cleveland where I think is a very good chance due to their cap and Hue Jackson is familiar with that style of QB from his time Dalton.

If we do the deal with SF, I would expect a 2nd and 5th this year and next years first, if that is the case then go defense BPA at 17 and then get either Pettinger or kaaya late and groom them to be the future. (I actually think they may trade back and then trade with us to make it a mid first this year and probably a 2nd and some others next year)

If it is Cleveland and we get their #12 overall, would still go BPA defense and then Deshone Kizer with #17 and again let him sit a year behind Colt.

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It's a sad situation that we're even discussing a possible trade of Cousins and which damaged QB we should pick up so we can finish 4-12.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1165647]It's a sad situation that we're even discussing a possible trade of Cousins and which damaged QB we should pick up so we can finish 4-12.[/quote]

I too feel like I am in my final days as a Redskins fan. Like many many others have said we've made tons of horrible bone-headed Dan Snyder moves over the years, but trading your franchise QB, and the possibility that you lose both star receivers in Garcon and Jackson in the same offseason seems hard to fathom. The icing on the cake is that Dan is salivating over the thought of being able to put Romo in a skins jersey.

And what's really sad, as I hate to say it, but Romo is a good QB and for all we know he would play great for a game or two, we'd crush our opponents, and then when he gets hurt we finish like you say, 4-12 or worse.

If they let Cousins go I think I'm done as a fan. I don't' know how we can continue to support the team. As others have come out and said, we will never accomplish anything as long as Snyder is still here. My hope is that I can outlive Dan Snyder so that one day I can come back to the franchise as a fan that has a new hope if we have new ownership.....

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[quote=Schneed10;1165632]Romo for sure. Cutler is a non-starter because of attitude.

I still think Cousins signs long term. I'm not buying Daniel Jeremiah as a source. I'll wait for the plugged in guys to hear a whisper.[/quote]

Daniel Jeremiah is extremely well plugged-in. Thing is other well plugged in guys are saying other things. We just don't really know. But DJ has been a scout in the league for years, worked obviously on the media side too. Really tight with some of the current coaches on the team, like Kyle Shanahan and Chris Simms close

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[quote=SmootSmack;1165649]Daniel Jeremiah is extremely well plugged-in. Thing is other well plugged in guys are saying other things. We just don't really know. But DJ has been a scout in the league for years, worked obviously on the media side too. Really tight with some of the current coaches on the team, like Kyle Shanahan and Chris Simms close[/quote]

I guess my only question is are the two sides even trying to get a deal done, or have the sides gone quiet until the FT is applied?

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[quote=Chico23231;1165644]Yeah I kinda think that way too, but I think his point too is don't get wrapped up with just the passing numbers. Does almost 5000 yards 25 td tell the entire story. He hinting at you got to look at the entire picture to justify 24 million per year for 1 player.[/quote]

And that's fair, I just have a problem with trying to boil it down so far as to say just look at W's and L's.

Cousins' stats are all top 5 in the NFL, but I'd put him maybe 12th in the league on the QB hierarchy list. Why? That's where the thinking comes in:

- Great stats with yardage, but isn't he racking up yardage because he needs to? If the defense isn't giving up 27 points a game, then Gruden and McVay aren't chucking it all over the yard all 60 minutes. All this is to say Russell Wilson could throw for 5000 yards too, if he had to. He doesn't, he has the legion of boom.

- Poor red zone performance. We rank quite low in red zone efficiency.

- But pluses, Kirk has one of the highest completion rates in NFL history, and a strong YPA. So he's quite efficient and accurate enough to direct a successful offense.

- Avoids sacks pretty well, more mobile than he gets credit for, and releases the ball quickly.

- Prone to a brain fart bad decision a bit more often than QBs in the top 5 or top 10.

Add it all up and yeah, I think he's 12th or so in the league. But the opportunity is there to get better, and I don't understand pinching pennies at the QB position. Pinch pennies elsewhere, pay the QB.

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[quote=Schneed10;1165639]On the bolded, that's about the most limited thinking I've ever heard. Yeah because all defenses are created equal, so we can put the W vs L entirely on the QB. Stupid.

On the underlined, that's actually a valid point, because the defense actually played well against the Giants and[B] Kirk was a major part of the problem with the offense.[/B][/quote]

I have to go back and watch that game again, because the way I remember it it was an awful team effort by the whole offense. I remember Trent Williams getting pushed back a lot, I remember drops...

I remember defense doing the best they could, and offense letting them down big time.

I also do remember KC missing some wide open receivers... but at was said, that was one game. And he won us some big games to get us in position to win a playoff spot in week 17...

Even if they do trade KC, I won't stop being a fan because, if it's a good deal, this team can keep on rebuilding, especially on the defensive side... but that'll be really hard to swallow. It would really be, by far, the stupidest move made by the team since I'm a fan.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1165649]Daniel Jeremiah is extremely well plugged-in. Thing is other well plugged in guys are saying other things. We just don't really know. But DJ has been a scout in the league for years, worked obviously on the media side too. Really tight with some of the current coaches on the team, like Kyle Shanahan and Chris Simms close[/quote]

OK I'm hearing this message and stand corrected.

But I still don't believe speculation until I hear it from multiple sources. I'm still waiting until somebody corroborates it. Every NFL insider is all over this story now. You better believe ESPN is trying to get the scoop, they don't want to be scooped by the NFL Network (Jeremiah). So either the digging unearths something or I start to question it.

Basically I'm giving it more time.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1165650]I guess my only question is are the two sides even trying to get a deal done, or have the sides gone quiet until the FT is applied?[/quote]

No real reason to right now. Kirk's side won't negotiate until they know they have the franchise tag to work off of

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[quote=Schneed10;1165639]On the bolded, that's about the most limited thinking I've ever heard. Yeah because all defenses are created equal, so we can put the W vs L entirely on the QB. Stupid.

On the underlined, that's actually a valid point, because the defense actually played well against the Giants and Kirk was a major part of the problem with the offense.[/quote]

Good point, everyone expects KC to throw 50 times a game with no interceptions. And have a 2 minute offense that wins the game without leaving any time on the clock. Despite the fact that the NFL is a pass happy league, a running game and a defense is needed.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1165654]No real reason to right now. Kirk's side won't negotiate until they know they have the franchise tag to work off of[/quote]

Then that's what makes the idea of the Redskins giving up their #17 pick AND Kirk Cousins to move up to #2 dumb to me. I'm sure DJ only gave part of what he's (possibly) heard, but I'm assuming if Cousins is tagged, there's much more involved in the trade than that.

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[quote=Brody81;1165627]RG3 was pretty awesome in College as well.


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Watson is a much better qb than Griffin and a way better leader. They aren't the same player.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1165654]No real reason to right now. Kirk's side won't negotiate until they know they have the franchise tag to work off of[/quote]

Well, ok... but if the Skins know they are tagging him, and the Skins want a long term deal, then why not use that baseline now?

Basically you are saying KC wants to have another team force the Skins up from what they are offering now, right?

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It was asked Cutler or Romo.

I say Romo for a couple years then we sign Eli Manning. That way we would have picked up the trash for everyone in our division. Get old shitty McNabb, old injured Romo, and old goofy Manning.

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[quote=metalskins;1165656]Then that's what makes the idea of the Redskins giving up their #17 pick AND Kirk Cousins to move up to #2 dumb to me. I'm sure DJ only gave part of what he's (possibly) heard, but I'm assuming if Cousins is tagged, there's much more involved in the trade than that.[/quote]

What DJ said is that from what he's heard he think there's a greater than 50% chance Kirk is playing for another team. Then he added his own opinion that it might require them giving up their own 17th pick

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1165658]Well, ok... but if the Skins know they are tagging him, and the Skins want a long term deal, then why not use that baseline now?

Basically you are saying KC wants to have another team force the Skins up from what they are offering now, right?[/quote]

I'm saying someone has to officially make the first move. The Skins can say they want to tag him, but they have actually have to do it

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If we like 5000 yard passers let's just trade Cousins and draft the guy from Texas Tech then resign Garcon and draft a receiver and TE in the middle rounds.