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[quote=htownskinfan;1131861]Yes for once I would like a coach to admit they actually fucked up. What he should've said was yes I absolutely regret it, he ran 30 yards backwards and then fumbled the ball how can you not regret that shit? That is a stupid fucking question to ask me[/quote]

I'd like that too. But I think throwing your players under the bus is frowned upon.

I just like to see some fire, someone pissed that they just pissed the game away. I just never see that from Redskins players. I like classy but some passion and some heat every now and then is nice. It's like this franchise has gotten so used to being perennial losers that it's like it's in the atmosphere around there. I don't expect them to start punching each other in the mouth, but psych each other up or something.

God, do I miss London Fletcher.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1131863]Have you taken our injuries into account? Wait till next year, injuries are taking their toll this late in the season, the cowboys were healthy with the exception of Romo. Say we had the same health strength as the cowboys, we would beat them no problem. Cowboys might have been 3-7, but they have a hell of a D as you saw tonight, their problem is no QB.[/QUOTE]

Even with the injuries a good team losing that game is unacceptable.

I think we're mediocre, which is still a lot better than the last 2 years. But we are a long ways off still.

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Another solid draft and this team will be competetive. But right now there are too many holes. We have depth players that are playing at a high level. Lets get 3or 4more high quality starters and good things will start happening

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Well supposedly D-Jax stood up in locker room and told the team the loss was on him. That accountability is a nice surprise at least.

I am so torn on the guy. He is one of those players that you want on your team but also don't want to have to rely on. The question is do you get enough output from him to make up for the times he seems to disappear from games. I remember the big knock on him in Philly was that he could be electric for a quarter or even a half, but then would silent after that.

He definitely has made some big plays for us, but overall I thought we would get more out of him than the 1 deep catch a game he seems to make. Maybe this is more on the coaches as they don't seem to design much for him. When you have a player like Jackson you really should be drawing up specific "Jackson plays" where you make sure the ball is in his hand after the snap and let him go to work. Sort of similar to that quick end around hand off Dallas ran with that one WR a couple times. That difference making speed is great to watch when it is on display but I wish we saw it happen with the ball in his hands more often.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1131869]I'd like that too. But I think throwing your players under the bus is frowned upon.



I just like to see some fire, someone pissed that they just pissed the game away. I just never see that from Redskins players. I like classy but some passion and some heat every now and then is nice. It's like this franchise has gotten so used to being perennial losers that it's like it's in the atmosphere around there. I don't expect them to start punching each other in the mouth, but psych each other up or something.



God, do I miss London Fletcher.[/QUOTE]


It didn't bother him when he was throwing Griffin under the bus.
Plus I don't know if that would actually be throwing Jackson under the bus if he answered the question like I said, I mean everybody knows that's exactly what happened so to me saying you don't regret it makes you look stupid

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I apologize for for being stupid A$$ and treating everyone like a complete A$$ tonight.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1131873]It didn't bother him when he was throwing Griffin under the bus.
Plus I don't know if that would actually be throwing Jackson under the bus if he answered the question like I said, I mean everybody knows that's exactly what happened so to me saying you don't regret it makes you look stupid[/quote]

lol okay you got me there with Griff. But you know Gruden never liked Griff to begin with. Griff is the red headed step-child that you make live under the stairs.

Maybe this is the kinder, gentler, fuzzy wuzzy Gruden. (I don't like it either)

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As am watching the replay on Jackson's fumble and went to his hand hits the ground and he fumbles, isn't that the ground causing a fumble? I thought the ground could not cause a fumble?

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Anyone also boggled why Hopkins wasn't able to kick it out of the back of the endzone after the Jackson TD? He was so good for most the game, but the missed FG and not kicking a touchback on that final kickoff were back breaking as well.

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1131876]As am watching the replay on Jackson's fumble and went to his hand hits the ground and he fumbles, isn't that the ground causing a fumble? I thought the ground could not cause a fumble?[/QUOTE]


I thought the same thing and after the game Steve Young and them i believe said the same thing. But during the review the official in the booth did not mention it? Either way that is a result of running backwards like a jackass and throwing the game away just to make a big play.

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[quote=punch it in;1131878]I thought the same thing and after the game Steve Young and them i believe said the same thing. But during the review the official in the booth did not mention it? Either way that is a result of running backwards like a jackass and throwing the game away just to make a big play.[/quote]

I thought the same thing. Ray Lewis said following the game "I am not sure how he wasn't ruled down"

I can understand calling it a fumble live, but the replay clearly showed his wrist and hand down with the ball secure, and then the ball comes loose when his hand bounces off ground. I think the only way that would be a legit fumble is if they say he was untouched by a defender at that point.

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Am I the only one that thought we would have had a 50/50 shot to win if our kick coverage had done their job at the end? D.Jax redeemed himself. All we had to do was cover the kick and force OT, then we would have had even odds to win. Idk how many times it has to be said but players have to stay in their lines on kick returns. Undisciplined ST cost us the game at the end.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1131880]Am I the only one that thought we would have had a 50/50 shot to win if our kick coverage had done their job at the end? D.Jax redeemed himself. All we had to do was cover the kick and force OT, then we would have had even odds to win. Idk how many times it has to be said but players have to stay in their lines on kick returns. Undisciplined ST cost us the game at the end.[/QUOTE]


No you are not the only one.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1131880]Am I the only one that thought we would have had a 50/50 shot to win if our kick coverage had done their job at the end? D.Jax redeemed himself. All we had to do was cover the kick and force OT, then we would have had even odds to win. Idk how many times it has to be said but players have to stay in their lines on kick returns. Undisciplined ST cost us the game at the end.[/QUOTE]


I was thinking more like 75/25. We would have had all the momentum considering the td drive.

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[quote=mooby;1131880]Am I the only one that thought we would have had a 50/50 shot to win if our kick coverage had done their job at the end? D.Jax redeemed himself. All we had to do was cover the kick and force OT, then we would have had even odds to win. Idk how many times it has to be said but players have to stay in their lines on kick returns. Undisciplined ST cost us the game at the end.[/quote]

Hrm, I think it still falls on Jackson in the end though. If he doesn't dick around with that punt, we have a chance to at WORST go to OT. At best, we take enough time off the clock to kick a FG.

Agreed it was a shit call by the ST coach, but it shouldn't have come to that. :(

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I don't really agree with the notion that Jackson "redeemed" himself. To me his fumble hurt us more than his TD helped us because the fumble was a bigger swing of the game. The Cowboys had only sniffed the red zone one other time in the game. If Jackson just runs forward and ends up at 30 yard line, we have the ball with just over 2 mins to go and if we end up getting a FG opportunity on THAT drive we likely do it as time expires. Game over.

Instead we were put against the 8 ball and Jackson's TD merely gave us some late game hope.

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I was wondering on that play too. Clearly the ball comes out by once of the ground and I thought the ground can't cause a fumble. But if he isn't down and is only going to ground by contact and the ball is knocked loose is that a fumble. I Don't think it is.

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5-7 teams make plays like giving up a back breaking 45 yard return after tying it up. If we don't get a touchback it's literally pins and needles on the return. And they fucked it up tonight. And it was no surprise.

We still miss too many plays and give up too many to win often. Such as why we literally can't win 2 weeks in a row.

This loss was just absolutely terrible and there are no excuses for it. Could've gone in to next week looking to get over .500. Now, at best 6-7. I'm so pissed off still.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1131887]5-7 teams make plays like giving up a back breaking 45 yard return after tying it up. If we don't get a touchback it's literally pins and needles on the return. And they fucked it up tonight. And it was no surprise.

We still miss too many plays and give up too many to win often. Such as why we literally can't win 2 weeks in a row.

This loss was just absolutely terrible and there are no excuses for it. Could've gone in to next week looking to get over .500. Now, at best 6-7. I'm so pissed off still.[/quote]

Yep. I was trying to explain earlier today in another thread that just because the 'Skins fell into 1st place for a week it shouldn't change the reality that we were a mediocre 5-6 team, it just happens that the rest of the division is too. The fact is the team plays like a .500/sub-.500 team. They don't have the talent of Dallas.

It's a rebuilding year and even though winning the division would be nice, we can't lose sight of the big picture, and 5-7 is about on track as far as what a lot of people were hoping for before the season started.

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Games like this make me feel like teams like us, Detroit, Cleveland, are just always supposed to suck and have depressed fans.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1131887]5-7 teams make plays like giving up a back breaking 45 yard return after tying it up. If we don't get a touchback it's literally pins and needles on the return. And they fucked it up tonight. And it was no surprise.

We still miss too many plays and give up too many to win often. Such as why we literally can't win 2 weeks in a row.

This loss was just absolutely terrible and there are no excuses for it. Could've gone in to next week looking to get over .500. Now, at best 6-7. I'm so pissed off still.[/QUOTE]
5-7 teams waste 3 takeaways by the defense and manage to just get 3 points off turnovers. This loss is squarely on the offense and their inability to score off these turnovers.

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[quote=NoCalHail;1131888]Yep. I was trying to explain earlier today in another thread that just because the 'Skins fell into 1st place for a week it shouldn't change the reality that we were a mediocre 5-6 team, it just happens that the rest of the division is too. The fact is the team plays like a .500/sub-.500 team. They don't have the talent of Dallas.

It's a rebuilding year and even though winning the division would be nice, we can't lose sight of the big picture, and 5-7 is about on track as far as what a lot of people were hoping for before the season started.[/quote]

I was hoping for 8-8. Gonna be tough now. But 5-7 sounds better for us in terms of progress if you didn't watch all the games. Feels like we give some away. But again that's cause we're a 5-7 team. You are what your record is. Hope Scott nails this next draft.

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We gotta get a center and a playmaker for the defense in the next draft.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;1131892]We gotta get a center and a playmaker for the defense in the next draft.[/QUOTE]


C, Edge Rusher (Galette?), S, MLB, DT, RB
Edit: on the bright side I finally see a team that has a core. We are literally a draft/ FA period away from being true contenders.

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Hey, I will just say this guys. It's year one of the Scot McCloughan era and IMO, 2015 is not a season in which our record should be the #1 thing we look at.

Hell, look at some of the guys we have brought in off the street like Blackmon, Mason, Dunbar etc etc....these guys are contributing like they were draft picks. These small things go overlooked but we have a real GM now and he has only had one offseason.

We should have no illusions of grandeur about the 2015 results meaning a whole lot in the big picture of this franchise. Would it be a nice bonus if we can be the NFC East team to stumble and bumble into the playoffs? Sure, however whether we end up 8-8 or 6-10, this is still just the beginning.

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If we're 7-9 I don't want to make the playoffs. That's embarrassing.

Rather just say, hey, we improved 3 games, and we got a pretty good draft pick.

I really hope we don't end up worse than 7-9. 6-10 and 7-9 just seem like way different records.

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So frustrating. A missed kick here. A bad call there (several actually). We could have won it but honestly, Dallas seemed like they wanted it more. That is disappointing. We looked like we were afraid to lose, not gunning to win. No killer instinct.


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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1131842]The only thing I'm happy about this season is that I think Cousins could be a good QB around here for a nice long while.





Otherwise, the more things change, the more they stay the same.[/QUOTE]




Very incouraged with Kirks play. They are way to conservative with him though. Time to unshackle Kirk!

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Jay gruden should not have djax returning punts. Dumb coaching mistake squarely on him.

Our offense scares no one. That is squarely on Jay as well.

People talking about cousins are wasting their fucking breath. Please take time to look at the offense as a whole, it's not worth a shit.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1131895]If we're 7-9 I don't want to make the playoffs. That's embarrassing.

Rather just say, hey, we improved 3 games, and we got a pretty good draft pick.

I really hope we don't end up worse than 7-9. 6-10 and 7-9 just seem like way different records.[/quote]

Who cares what the team's record is if they make the playoffs? If you get in the tournament like Carolina did last year anything can happen.

Its really disappointing that at home the Skins couldn't beat a depleted Dallas team with control of the division on the line. The offensive line not being able to handle Dallas really set the tone early. In addition the officiating throughout the NFL is a disgrace. The games aren't fun to watch anymore since it seems every time a team gets going a ticky tack call puts an end to the flow.

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[quote=Chico23231;1131902]Jay gruden should not have djax returning punts. Dumb coaching mistake squarely on him.

Our offense scares no one. That is squarely on Jay as well.

People talking about cousins are wasting their fucking breath. Please take time to look at the offense as a whole, it's not worth a shit.[/quote]

DJax makes a stupid, selfish play and you say it's on the coach? How can that be on the coach? Was Gruden supposed to know in advance that DJax would fuck up? I think you're off base on that thought.

As for our conservative offense, to me it doesn't look much different than the offense Jay ran in Cincy. I think he is a conservative play-caller at heart; however, with better personnel I think that could work for us in the future.

Marinelli did a great job of exploiting the inexperience of our OL. Also, we need a decent C and a TE who can block. A RB who can pick up blitzes wouldn't hurt either.

We fans just need to remember that this is Year One of the team build. I think that Scot, Jay, and the position coaches are doing a good job of finding and developing players who can provide quality depth for this team. We just need to find some true studs in the draft and FA over the next TWO years. By 2017 we will be a perennial contender.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1131895][B]If we're 7-9 I don't want to make the playoffs.[/B] That's embarrassing.

Rather just say, hey, we improved 3 games, and we got a pretty good draft pick.

I really hope we don't end up worse than 7-9. 6-10 and 7-9 just seem like way different records.[/quote]

[B]I do![/B] That's what it's all about and I couldn't care less how we get there. What's the matter with you? Did all that sun in San Diego or that shitty loss to the Cowturds bake your brain? Once we get to the playoffs I promise you that you'll be happy about it regardless of how it comes about.

Keep the faith. HTTR!

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Plenty of excuses for not winning -- but when you get right down to it, offense scheme / play-calling / execution never found an answer for their pressure. Sean Lee just owned the interior OLine. Kirk played poorly and, until the very end, never made them pay for bringing pressure.

Should never have come down to DJax punt returns. We had THREE turnovers, two of them [I]in Dallas territory[/I], all we had to show for it was THREE points. Horrible.
Defense gave the offense plenty of opportunities but the offense could not capitalize on them.

BTW - Hey KC, there were no positives from this. None. You [I]should[/I] feel like crap.

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[quote=calia;1131897]So frustrating. A missed kick here. A bad call there (several actually). We could have won it but honestly, Dallas seemed like they wanted it more. That is disappointing. [B]We looked like we were afraid to lose, not gunning to win[/B]. No killer instinct.[/quote]

Exactly.

KC looked like he was wound up like a jack-in-the-box. Missing open receivers. Afraid to make a mistake. Gruden played the whole game like he was afraind to lose.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1131906]Plenty of excuses for not winning -- but when you get right down to it, offense scheme / play-calling / execution never found an answer for their pressure. Sean Lee just owned the interior OLine. Kirk played poorly and, until the very end, never made them pay for bringing pressure.

Should never have come down to DJax punt returns. We had THREE turnovers, two of them [I]in Dallas territory[/I], all we had to show for it was THREE points. Horrible.
Defense gave the offense plenty of opportunities but the offense could not capitalize on them.

BTW - Hey KC, there were no positives from this. None. You [I]should[/I] feel like crap.[/quote]

Well, at least you haven't said anything bad about Kirk's mother - yet.

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Typical DS redskins show last night. This team just can't win in prime time. Idk what it is but we just can't. I'm telling u its a curse.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1131907]Exactly.

KC looked like he was wound up like a jack-in-the-box. Missing open receivers. Afraid to make a mistake. Gruden played the whole game like he was afraind to lose.[/quote]

The line struggled to block and the RBs couldn't pick up a blitz so KC was under pressure and forced to hurry all night. I thought he played pretty good considering.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1131904]DJax makes a stupid, selfish play and you say it's on the coach? How can that be on the coach? Was Gruden supposed to know in advance that DJax would fuck up? I think you're off base on that thought.

As for our conservative offense, to me it doesn't look much different than the offense Jay ran in Cincy. I think he is a conservative play-caller at heart; however, with better personnel I think that could work for us in the future.

Marinelli did a great job of exploiting the inexperience of our OL. Also, we need a decent C and a TE who can block. A RB who can pick up blitzes wouldn't hurt either.

We fans just need to remember that this is Year One of the team build. I think that Scot, Jay, and the position coaches are doing a good job of finding and developing players who can provide quality depth for this team. We just need to find some true studs in the draft and FA over the next TWO years. By 2017 we will be a perennial contender.[/quote]

Jay Gruden is a fuckin terrible coach. DJax should never been down there to run the ball back.

Marinelli out coached Jay allllllll game. Jay never adjusted.

How do we have 5 turnovers the last couple games and come out with 3 points total?

Jay Gruden didn't have the team ready to play last night...at home, prime time for first place. The Offense wasn't ready. Didn't try to run the ball

Since Jay Gruden left Cincy, the offense has been much better. Dalton is a better QB and Cincy actually looks like a threat now...the best thing Cincy ever did was to hand Hue Jackson the reigns of that offense. Much, much better.

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[quote=Chico23231;1131913]Jay Gruden is a fuckin terrible coach. DJax should never been down there to run the ball back.

Marinelli out coached Jay allllllll game. Jay never adjusted.

How do we have 5 turnovers the last couple games and come out with 3 points total?

Jay Gruden didn't have the team ready to play last night...at home, prime time for first place. The Offense wasn't ready. Didn't try to run the ball

Since Jay Gruden left Cincy, the offense has been much better. Dalton is a better QB and Cincy actually looks like a threat now...the best thing Cincy ever did was to hand Hue Jackson the reigns of that offense. Much, much better.[/quote]

Didn't try to run the ball?! I must have been watching a different game because in the the game I watched the team wearing Skins uniforms definitely tried to run the ball.

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Fuckin Norv Turner pussy ass performance by a HC