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[quote=mredskins;885334]I hope your optimism is correct but history tells me you are wrong.[/quote]

New history is made every day. How many teams have won 2 SB's in the manner the Giants did? Against the same team, in similar situations (Giants struggling regular season, barely making the playoffs, Pats cruising through regular season, Giants win SB on strength of good defense and two min drill resulting in td (along with one amazing catch made in each seperate two min drill by a guy who fills a depth role.)

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[quote=mredskins;885343]OMG seriously I am done. Pretty black and white what you said.[/quote]

#1 I said CONTENDER.
#2 with PM we will be a CONTENDER
#3 we only lost our games by less then 7 points or atleast most of them
#4 with out him I think next year we could be a CONTENDER
#5 with PM I think SB.

Happy. If you want to hear me say I think we are a SB team then yes with him I think we could be. RGIII... no. PM .... yes. RGIII.... no. PM.... yes. IF HEALTHY.

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[quote=mooby;885348]New history is made every day. How many teams have won 2 SB's in the manner the Giants did? Against the same team, in similar situations (Giants struggling regular season, barely making the playoffs, Pats cruising through regular season, Giants win SB on strength of good defense and two min drill resulting in td (along with one amazing catch made in each seperate two min drill by a guy who fills a depth role.)[/quote]


You guys probably play the lottery and scratch off tickets every day too.


[I]"Yeah yeah there was this guy in here two weeks ah maybe three just a regular guy you know and he got one of those Pot O Gold scratch off's and and he won $1000 bucks, that so can be me too!" [/I]

Yet 700 other people between 2 or three weeks ago since that guy won has lost at the Pot O Gold scratch off ticket.

This why some guys get so mad on Sunday when the real Redskins show up and stink the place up. [I]"But but in my mind they are Super Bowl Contenders." [/I]

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[quote=SBXVII;885349]#1 I said CONTENDER.
#2 with PM we will be a CONTENDER
#3 we only lost our games by less then 7 points or atleast most of them
#4 with out him I think next year we could be a CONTENDER
#5 with PM I think SB.

Happy. If you want to hear me say I think we are a SB team then yes with him I think we could be. RGIII... no. PM .... yes. RGIII.... no. PM.... yes. IF HEALTHY.[/quote]


Dude you are dreaming. PM or no PM this team ain't seeing the SB next year and maybe not the playoffs.

And the lost by only 7 points argument is so old, it means squat really. That is a stat disillusion folks hold onto like their pacifier when they are upset and can not understand why this team blows.

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Quite honestly I think how upset you are about this is blinding the situation. You really think new history will never be made? In the NFL? Where 5 new teams have made the playoffs every year for like 15 years? Come on man. Anything's possible.

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Peyton will be great for our community as a volunteer and as a leader.
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[quote=mooby;885362]Quite honestly I think how upset you are about this is blinding the situation. You really think new history will never be made? In the NFL? Where 5 new teams have made the playoffs every year for like 15 years? Come on man. Anything's possible.[/quote]


I am not upset I think after watching the Skins for the past 31 years I have become jaded especially the last 20 years.

You are right anything is possible. They have a better chance of winning the Super Bowl then say the LA Clippers but reality and history tells me they are not getting there at least anytime soon.

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That LOL'd me....twice!

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[quote=mredskins;885368]I am not upset I think after watching the Skins for the past 31 years I have become jaded especially the last 20 years.

You are right anything is possible. They have a better chance of winning the Super Bowl then say the LA Clippers but reality and history tells me they are not getting there at least anytime soon.[/quote]

Well of course they have a better chance of making the SB than the Clippers, the Clippers are an NBA team. :D

Joke aside, don't sleep on the Clippers. If they can get their act together with Griffin, Paul, and Butler, they can make some noise in the playoffs.

How about we just say they have a better chance of making the SB than the Colts of this previous season.

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[quote=mredskins;885360]Dude you are dreaming. PM or no PM this team ain't seeing the SB next year and maybe not the playoffs.

And the lost by only 7 points argument is so old, it means squat really. That is a stat disillusion folks hold onto like their pacifier when they are upset and can not understand why this team blows.[/quote]

This team blows because we have had sorry a$$ QBs that can't score. But when you are losing 4 to 6 games by 7-8 pts. it is frustrating, because that is a small margin of victory. All people are saying here is that a healthy Manning with some additions (that would occur since we don't have to trade the farm to move up) would make this a winning team.

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[quote=mooby;885380][B]Well of course they have a better chance of making the SB than the Clippers, the Clippers are an NBA team. :D
[/B]
Joke aside, don't sleep on the Clippers. If they can get their act together with Griffin, Paul, and Butler, they can make some noise in the playoffs.

How about we just say they have a better chance of making the SB than the Colts of this previous season.[/quote]


You didn't really have to spell that out in your mind? Did you?

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[quote=Ruhskins;885382]This team blows because we have had sorry a$$ QBs that can't score.[/quote]
Ehhhh, I'd have to say it's been a little bit more than that.

Poor o-line play has been a trademark of the Skins, whether it be due to lack of depth or lack of talent at the starting positions.

Since Bailey we haven't had a shutdown corner

Our pass-rush up until this season has been relatively weak.

Moss had about a year or two where he was a legitimate #1 WR, but for the most part we haven't had a #1 WR.

And lastly we haven't had any consistency, constant roster turnovers, and scheme changing is not likely to produce a winner.

[quote] But when you are losing 4 to 6 games by 7-8 pts. it is frustrating, because that is a small margin of victory. All people are saying here is that a healthy Manning with some additions (that would occur since we don't have to trade the farm to move up) would make this a winning team.[/quote]
I actually agree that adding Manning could make us a contender, but not because we're that close, it's because we're talking about possibly the greatest QB of all time here. The implosion of the Colts this season, I would argue is evidence of this.

Furthermore, the current state of the NFCe despite the G-men winning the SB, isn't very strong. The Eagles "dream team" was nothing more than a dream, JJ thankfully ensures that the absorbent amount of talent DAL has will never be put to good use, and the Giants for whatever reason don't seem to match up well against the Shannahan coached Redskins.

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[quote=Mahons21;885389]Ehhhh, I'd have to say it's been a little bit more than that.
[/quote]

Yes I know. If you read back, my whole argument is that picking up Manning will leave us with a lot of draft ammo to improve this team. I have not said that we are close, but I feel that adding Manning, plus quality FA/rookies can make us a playoff team.

My whole point with the point differential is to show that we are not that bad. We need improvements, and all those improvements I've mentioned can make a huge different.

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[quote=Ruhskins;885382]This team blows because we have had sorry a$$ QBs that can't score. [B] But when you are losing 4 to 6 games by 7-8 pts. it is frustrating, because that is a small margin of victory.[/B] All people are saying here is that a healthy Manning with some additions (that would occur since we don't have to trade the farm to move up) would make this a winning team.[/quote]

Yeah but that is today's NFL, no one is really getting blown out that often. So saying you lost by 7 or 8 doesn't hold water that you are on the verge of being a good team.

[B]NFL Average Margin of Victory by Decade[/B]
[B]Decade[/B] [B]Avg MOV[/B] 1940s 15.24 1950s 13.67 1960s 13.39 1970s 12.37 1980s 11.67 1990s 11.41 2000s 11.80
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Come draft day I don't think it will take 4 picks to move up because they could just trade with Minnesota and force St. Louis's hand.
2012 1st
2012 3rd
2013 1st
Is what I think someone will eventually give up if it comes to that.

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[quote=Mahons21;885389]Ehhhh, I'd have to say it's been a little bit more than that.

Poor o-line play has been a trademark of the Skins, whether it be due to lack of depth or lack of talent at the starting positions.

Since Bailey we haven't had a shutdown corner

Our pass-rush up until this season has been relatively weak.

Moss had about a year or two where he was a legitimate #1 WR, but for the most part we haven't had a #1 WR.

And lastly we haven't had any consistency, constant roster turnovers, and scheme changing is not likely to produce a winner.


I actually agree that adding Manning could make us a contender, but not because we're that close, it's because we're talking about possibly the greatest QB of all time here. The implosion of the Colts this season, I would argue is evidence of this.

Furthermore, the current state of the NFCe despite the G-men winning the SB, isn't very strong. The Eagles "dream team" was nothing more than a dream, JJ thankfully ensures that the absorbent amount of talent DAL has will never be put to good use, and the Giants for whatever reason don't seem to match up well against the Shannahan coached Redskins.[/quote]


Nice post. I enjoyed your reserved optimism.

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[quote=mredskins;885394]Yeah but that is today's NFL, no one is really getting blown out that often. So saying you lost by 7 or 8 doesn't hold water that you are on the verge of being a good team. [/quote]

Again, I'm not saying that we are on the verge of being a good team. The exact same team as last year, with Manning, is probably a 9-7 team, maybe a .500 team. I am saying that our team plus Manning, plus any additions we can make in the draft and free agency can make us a very good team.

You know when this whole argument of "we are not a QB away from winning" was true? When people here were willing to trade a good portion of our draft picks for Cutler. That would have been plain stupid. This is a risky move, but it allows the team to use draft picks and possibly free agency to get better.

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[quote=Ruhskins;885397]Again, I'm not saying that we are on the verge of being a good team. [B]The exact same team as last year, with Manning, is probably a 9-7 team, maybe a .500 team.[/B] I am saying that our team plus Manning, plus any additions we can make in the draft and free agency can make us a very good team.

You know when this whole argument of "we are not a QB away from winning" was true? When people here were willing to trade a good portion of our draft picks for Cutler. That would have been plain stupid. This is a risky move, but it allows the team to use draft picks and possibly free agency to get better.[/quote]

What? If we had Manning on our team last year we would have played every down with 10 men. How could we have had a better record?

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[quote=mredskins;885400]What? If we had Manning on our team last year we would have played every down with 10 men. How could we have had a better record?[/quote]

I meant Manning with last year's roster, with no additions and whatnot. Better?

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[quote=Ruhskins;885397]Again, I'm not saying that we are on the verge of being a good team. The exact same team as last year, with Manning, is probably a 9-7 team, maybe a .500 team. I am saying that our team plus Manning, plus any additions we can make in the draft and free agency can make us a very good team.

You know when this whole argument of "we are not a QB away from winning" was true? When people here were willing to trade a good portion of our draft picks for Cutler. That would have been plain stupid. This is a risky move, but it allows the team to use draft picks and possibly free agency to get better.[/quote]That was also incredibly stupid because Cutler was very overvalued in the spring of 2009. He still has been unable to replicate (or get close to) his 2008 season.

Yet, there would still be defenders of that hypothetical deal that would point out that Cutler would be the best QB on our roster today. That is true, but more because of the systematic mismanagement of the roster against not having better options available.

Even before Shanahan, Zorn made a number of questionable decisions come August that always seemed to leave the Redskins lacking in depth. I mean, Vinny signed Jeremy Bridges, Zorn cut him. That was less than 3 months after cutting Jansen as well. A bunch of people were surprised at the time that they kept D'Anthony Batiste, who didn't last the season. What I'm saying is: this is a problem that would appear to be bigger than the quarterback, and bigger than the head coach. Everyone complains about not having depth -- and how that is responsible for sub-.500 performance -- but is anyone really doing anything about it?

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[quote=Ruhskins;885401]I meant Manning with last year's roster, with no additions and whatnot. Better?[/quote]


I know I was pulling your chain.

I think a argument could be made if we have left in Rex we would have finished 9-7.

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[quote=mredskins;885394]Yeah but that is today's NFL, no one is really getting blown out that often. So saying you lost by 7 or 8 doesn't hold water that you are on the verge of being a good team.

[B]NFL Average Margin of Victory by Decade[/B]
[B]Decade[/B] [B]Avg MOV[/B] 1940s 15.24 1950s 13.67 1960s 13.39 1970s 12.37 1980s 11.67 1990s 11.41 2000s 11.80
[url=http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3379_Statistical_tour_de_douche%3A_history_of_the_NFL_elite.html\]Statistical tour de douche: history of the NFL elite | Cold Hard Football Facts[/url][/quote]

By your own argument, if Peyton Manning is worth 7 points a game (either through offensive scores or fewer turnovers), we will win 4-6 more games. That would make us a playoff contender.

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[quote=SBXVII;885317]Hint of sarcasm? yes-no?

Funny I can see him thinking the other way. Especially with Montana having spoken to him telling him how good MS is along with the OL being blocking better, and 3 really decent RB's who did very well in the second half of the season. I can see him saying if they take me and pick up 1 or top WR's from free agency, draft a young QB, pick up another WR, get some OL and fix the couple of holes they have on defense the Skins could go pretty far. I think he's pretty smart too to recognize a team that is on the verge of becoming great and might want to be apart of that.[/quote]

No sarcasm, I was calling it like I see it. All it takes is watching the playoffs to see how far away the Skins are. Its like playoff teams are playing one game and the Skins something altogether different. You name about 6 things that need fixed just get get the team competitive, That's not a team on the verge. I just dont see him wanting to go with a team that is so far away. PM knows he has maybe 3 years left at best and needs to go to a team that is only a QB away from winning it all. He wants to win next year not in a few years after multiple holes get filled.

Would I like to see him in DC, yes I would. Do I think he will sign here, no I dont.

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[quote=irish;885414]No sarcasm, I was calling it like I see it. All it takes is watching the playoffs to see how far away the Skins are. Its like playoff teams are playing one game and the Skins something altogether different. You name about 6 things that need fixed just get get the team competitive, That's not a team on the verge. I just dont see him wanting to go with a team that is so far away. PM knows he has maybe 3 years left at best and needs to go to a team that is only a QB away from winning it all. He wants to win next year not in a few years after multiple holes get filled.

Would I like to see him in DC, yes I would. Do I think he will sign here, no I dont.[/quote]

I think you make some fair points here. Honestly, the reason I have made all of these Manning comments is because of what I've heard here and in the media about this place being a possible destination (and not the typical "oh let's throw the Redskins name in there since this is a big time free agent").

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A healthy Manning would undoubtedly make a big difference, add in the draft and $50M to spend on free agents and this team could be a lot better in a hurry.

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[quote=Mattyk;885420]A healthy Manning would undoubtedly make a big difference, add in the draft and $50M to spend on free agents and this team could be a lot better in a hurry.[/quote]


Said also the 2011 Philadelphia Eagles and the 2000 Washington Redskins...


As Redskins fans we should learn it is never that easy.

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[quote=Lotus;885413]By your own argument, if Peyton Manning is worth 7 points a game (either through offensive scores or fewer turnovers), we will win 4-6 more games. That would make us a playoff contender.[/quote]


I never said PM could give us 7 more points a game with this team.


Bringing PM here and asking him to win the Super Bowl for us would be the same as asking Micheal Phelps to win the 100m Butterfly in a pool with no water.

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[quote=mredskins;885422]Said also the 2011 Philadelphia Eagles and the 2000 Washington Redskins...


As Redskins fans we should learn it is never that easy.[/quote]

You're obviously intent on shooting down anything suggesting the Skins could be much improved in 2012.

Who pissed in your wheaties today?

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This is easily the best thread so far this year.

One comment: it's very difficult to add a bunch of new pieces though FA and the draft with immediate (same year) results. It just doesn't happen often. PM would be an instant upgrade...huge upgrade. The other FA additions are big ?. We could spend a hell of a lot on offense FA guys and not get much bang for the buck, just as we spent a small fortune last season on defense FA guys like Bowen and Turd Ferguson for marginal impact.

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[quote=mredskins;885325]I don't think you can win with him anymore because he is not healthy. If he was truly healthy and his old self the Colts keep him and trade that pick for a king's ransom.[/quote]

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

No one knows if he will be healthy including the Colts. The point was if he is healthy then he would make the Redskins or anyone else a contender.

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[quote=Mattyk;885427]You're obviously intent on shooting down anything suggesting the Skins could be much improved in 2012.

Who pissed in your wheaties today?[/quote]

Ah nobody....

I am just saying I much rather have a draft like last year and stay somewhat quiet in FA and continue to build toward being a solid team a few years down the road. Versus this optimistic (dimensionally) approach that we are only a few parts away from a dynasty.

To bring PM here is just plain dumb becasue by the time we get everything around him working he will be too old. To bring PM here is to say we are happy with 9 and 10 win seasons for the next few years then start all over again. No thank you.

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[quote=mredskins;885422]Said also the 2011 Philadelphia Eagles and the 2000 Washington Redskins...


As Redskins fans we should learn it is never that easy.[/quote]

You mean the team that gave Michael Vick 100 mil and no offensive line whatsoever, spent on Nnamdi when they had Asante Samuel and DRC, made their offensive line coach their defensive coordinator, and let the whole DJax situation spill into the season? Not to mention having a head coach with the worst clock management in the history of the NFL.

How is that different from acquiring a healthy P. Manning at a reasonable price (when was the last time BA overpaid for someone), drafting the best guard in the draft (DeCastro), drafting a QB to learn behind Manning, adding quality players through the draft, and continue to the develop the young talent we drafted last year (Helu, Kerrigan, Hank, Jenkins, etc., etc.). All this while probably having enough cap room to add a true #1 WR and add depth to our defense.

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[quote=mredskins;885431]Ah nobody....

I am just saying I much rather have a draft like last year and stay somewhat quiet in FA and continue to build toward being a solid team a few years down the road. Versus this optimistic (dimensionally) approach that we are only a few parts away from a dynasty.

To bring PM here is just plain dumb becasue by the time we get everything around him working he will be too old. To bring PM here is to say we are happy with 9 and 10 win seasons for the next few years then start all over again. No thank you.[/quote]

Plan B is trading our first and second rounders this year and probably our first rounder next year for RG3. Which would require you to spend a lot in free agency, since you are no longer able to build through the draft, because you have to give up picks. Trust me, I wanted this option, but the moment that the possibility of a health franchise QB became available, [B]I would much rather pick up Manning, while building through the draft[/B].

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=mredskins;885431]Ah nobody....

I am just saying I much rather have a draft like last year and stay somewhat quiet in FA and continue to build toward being a solid team a few years down the road. Versus this optimistic (dimensionally) approach that we are only a few parts away from a dynasty.

To bring PM here is just plain dumb becasue by the time we get everything around him working he will be too old. To bring PM here is to say we are happy with 9 and 10 win seasons for the next few years then start all over again. No thank you.[/quote]

Well, as we've already discussed you can bring in someone like PM and still draft a guy to develop behind him.

I'd prefer to keep building through the draft too, but with $50M to spend and pressure mounting to start showing some results in the W column, I could see a more aggressive offseason approach ahead.

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[quote=Mattyk;885435]Well, as we've already discussed you can bring in someone like PM and still draft a guy to develop behind him.

I'd prefer to keep building through the draft too, but with $50M to spend and pressure mounting to start showing some results in the W column, I could see a more aggressive offseason approach ahead.[/quote]


Why waste the money on PM?

Maybe you bring in PM to fire up the fan base and generate some buzz but in reality he is going to waste cap space and really not get us where we need to be long term at the QB spot.

I am really not trying to be a dick and would LOVE the Skins to be instantly good but I just know that is not going to work, we have seen it before.

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[quote=Ruhskins;885419]I think you make some fair points here. Honestly, the reason I have made all of these Manning comments is because of what I've heard here and in the media about this place being a possible destination (and not the typical "oh let's throw the Redskins name in there since this is a big time free agent").[/quote]

I get the impression from some posts that people think all the Skins have to do is make an offer and he's here but unfortunately its a 2 way street and PM is gonna do what he feels is best for PM. I dont think PM is going to view the Redskins as the best choice for the final chapter of his career.

I do think he would help this team get better fast but I'm not sure he can get them to the playoffs.

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[quote=mredskins;885431]Ah nobody....

I[B] am just saying I much rather have a draft like last year and stay somewhat quiet in FA and continue to build toward being a solid team a few years down the road. [/B]Versus this optimistic (dimensionally) approach that we are only a few parts away from a dynasty.

To bring PM here is just plain dumb becasue by the time we get everything around him working he will be too old. To bring PM here is to say we are happy with 9 and 10 win seasons for the next few years then start all over again. No thank you.[/quote]

If we were trading picks away for manning, or paying him so much money that we had to skimp on other areas of the team, then you might have a legitimate argument. But thats not the case, so you don't. getting manning does not cost us any draft picks and we have so much cap room we can pay him what he deserves and still make significant, intelligent, upgrades in free agency.

take manning our of hte equation and our team is already better than the colts. add manning and we're an immediate contender. and thats BEFORE free agency and the draft. Manning will likely go down in history as the greatest quarterback to ever play the game. There has never been another quarterback who has the same understanding the game and defenses as Manning. He reads defenses and changes the play to be successful nearly every snap. No one else has ever done that as consistently and as successfully as Peyton Manning.


We've got oodles of cap room and a ton of draft picks. What you dont seem to be able to grasp is that signing manning does absolutly nothing to hurt our chances to build a successful team long-term. In fact, signing Manning would HELP us build for long-term success while still being competitive now.

Whats your alternative? Roll with Kyle Orton? Mortgage the future by trading up for RGIII and not have other young players to build around.

Signing manning allows us time to develop our entire roster so by the time our young qb of the future is ready, weve got good talent around him.

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[quote=mredskins;885426]I never said PM could give us 7 more points a game with this team.


Bringing PM here and asking him to win the Super Bowl for us would be the same as asking Micheal Phelps to win the 100m Butterfly in a pool with no water.[/quote]

Of course you never said that PM was worth 7 points a game.

But if he is worth 7 points a game, your argument puts us in the playoffs.

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[quote=irish;885447]I get the impression from some posts that people think all the Skins have to do is make an offer and he's here but unfortunately its a 2 way street and PM is gonna do what he feels is best for PM. I dont think PM is going to view the Redskins as the best choice for the final chapter of his career.

I do think he would help this team get better fast but I'm not sure he can get them to the playoffs.[/quote]


Bingo, why would he come here?


I just don't see it as a good fit for either party that is just my opinion. I am NOT trying to get everyone pissed off I am just saying how I feel.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;885448]If we were trading picks away for manning, or paying him so much money that we had to skimp on other areas of the team, then you might have a legitimate argument. But thats not the case, so you don't. getting manning does not cost us any draft picks and we have so much cap room we can pay him what he deserves and still make significant, intelligent, upgrades in free agency.

take manning our of hte equation and our team is already better than the colts. add manning and we're an immediate contender. and thats BEFORE free agency and the draft. Manning will likely go down in history as the greatest quarterback to ever play the game. There has never been another quarterback who has the same understanding the game and defenses as Manning. He reads defenses and changes the play to be successful nearly every snap. No one else has ever done that as consistently and as successfully as Peyton Manning.


We've got oodles of cap room and a ton of draft picks. What you dont seem to be able to grasp is that signing manning does absolutly nothing to hurt our chances to build a successful team long-term. In fact, signing Manning would HELP us build for long-term success while still being competitive now.

Whats your alternative? Roll with Kyle Orton? Mortgage the future by trading up for RGIII and not have other young players to build around.

Signing manning allows us time to develop our entire roster so by the time our young qb of the future is ready, weve got good talent around him.[/quote]

I agree, if its a choice between spending some $ to get PM (as long as he's healthy) or giving away a bunch of picks to get RG III then its no contest, take PM. Like you said there's tons of cap space and the only to lose is $. Its basically cant lose deal for the Skins.