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I've said this many times before and I'll probably be repeating this many times again;
You hit on the right QB and suddenly all those holes disappear on both Offense and Defense.

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They do disappear. That's why I say go get RGIII. In my opinion Tannehill/Foles/Weeden/Cousins/Wilson will all be average to below average.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;883834]They do disappear. That's why I say go get RGIII. In my opinion Tannehill/Foles/Weeden/Cousins/Wilson will all be average to below average.[/quote]It's really unlikely that all those guys won't make the grade (I'd even take "the field" over RG3, given the choice), but unless we get a combine riser from that group, it's fair to say that none of that group will look the part of a first rounder on draft day.

I mean, sometimes, you trade up for a combine riser and get Jay Cutler or Joe Flacco, other times you get Alex Smith or Mark Sanchez. It's a known risk level with Tannehill/Foles/Weeden/Cousins et al.

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QB mark brunell for all i know
RB helu/royster/hightower
FB young
WR moss/hankerson/gaffney/armstrong/paul
TE davis/cooley/paulsen
LT williams
LG lichtensteiger/hurt
C montgomery
RG chester
RT smith
DE jenkins/bowen
NT cofield/nield
OLB kerrigan
MLB fletcher
ILB riley
OLB orakpo
CB hall/wilson/barnes
FS atogwe
SS gomes
K gano
P rocca

this is 70% what i want and only 30% what i believe. i want brown back at rt, and i want a true fatman at nt

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[quote=los panda;883860]QB mark brunell for all i know


this is 70% what i want and only 30% what i believe. i want brown back at rt, and i want a true fatman at nt[/quote]

brown is awful, it's time for him to go. I think the line was better without him, though I do think getting a good RT (draft) or OG (like grubbs) would do wonders for the OL.

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Where is DeAngelo Hall at contract wise?
Anyone?

[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;883878]Where is DeAngelo Hall at contract wise?
Anyone?[/QUOTE]

We just resigned him like 2 years ago

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o find a better QB then Rex + have a viable starter in development

o Draft a RT that can start

o Sign NT/DE Paul Soliai

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[quote=CultBrennan59;883788]I've said this many times before and I'll probably be repeating this many times again;
You hit on the right QB and suddenly all those holes disappear on both Offense and Defense.[/quote]


I agree. Landing a franchise QB makes a lot of difference.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;883788]I've said this many times before and I'll probably be repeating this many times again;
You hit on the right QB and suddenly all those holes disappear on both Offense and Defense.[/quote]

Yes. Just look at the Colts. Their roster appeared to have far more holes without Manning than it did with him.

A big-time QB makes every position on the team better.

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QB: Manning/Orton/rookie
RB: Helu/Royster/Hightower
FB: D Young
WR: Gaffney/Moss/[B]Floyd[/B]/Hank/scrubs
TE: Davis/Paulsen (Cooley will be released)
LT: Silverback
LG: Lichtensteiger/Hurt
C: Monty/FA
RT: Brown/FA/Smith
DE: Bowen/FA/rookie
NT: Cofield/Nield
DE: Jenkins/FA/rookie
OLB: Kerrigan/FA/Rookie
ILB: Fletch/Rookie
ILB: Riley/Rookie
OLB Orakpo/FA/Rookie
CB Wilson/Hall/FA/scrubs
FS Atogwe
SS Landry? Gomes
K Gano
P Rocca

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i am very excited about jarvis jenkins. he looked like he was pistol-whipping blind kids before the lord called him to injury reserve.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;883878]Where is DeAngelo Hall at contract wise?
Anyone?[/quote]He's got two years left plus a dummy year in 2014.

Hall at this point is year-to-year contractually. It's as cheap to cut him now as he's ever going to be because almost all of the remaining money in his contract is in non-guaranteed salary. In other words, if you wanted to sign Stanford Routt or Brandon Carr, you could do so under the cap for less money than it would take to keep Hall on the roster.

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[quote=GTripp0012;884001]In other words, if you wanted to sign Stanford Routt or Brandon Carr, you could do so under the cap for less money than it would take to keep Hall on the roster.[/quote]far is a relative term. i'm thinking $2M less in 2012, at the most.

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[quote=los panda;884005]far is a relative term. i'm thinking $2M less in 2012, at the most.[/quote]$4 mil 2012 cap number? That probably gets a Routt deal done.

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i can dig a bargain. what kind of deal are we talking about here?

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[quote=GTripp0012;884001]Hall at this point is year-to-year contractually. It's as cheap to cut him now as he's ever going to be because almost all of the remaining money in his contract is in non-guaranteed salary. In other words, if you wanted to sign Stanford Routt or Brandon Carr, you could do so under the cap for less money than it would take to keep Hall on the roster.[/quote]

You can thank the uncapped year for Hall's cap-friendly contract. They basically shoved all his bonus money into the uncapped year, so all that remains is salary.

And thus I think it's time for Hall to go. Maybe bring him back for less via a restructured deal, but from what I can tell that's not Hall's style. I see no reason to bring him back for $6M when we can cut him for nothing.

Josh Wilson's 1st year cap hit was $3.4M, so there's a ballpark of what bringing a new guy might cost us against the cap.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;884034]You can thank the uncapped year for Hall's cap-friendly contract. They basically shoved all his bonus money into the uncapped year, so all that remains is salary.

And thus I think it's time for Hall to go. Maybe bring him back for less via a restructured deal, but from what I can tell that's not Hall's style. I see no reason to bring him back for $6M when we can cut him for nothing.

Josh Wilson's 1st year cap hit was $3.4M, so there's a ballpark of what bringing a new guy might cost us against the cap.[/quote]

I like Hall but based on his salary I think it's time for him to go or redo his contract.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;884034]You can thank the uncapped year for Hall's cap-friendly contract. They basically shoved all his bonus money into the uncapped year, so all that remains is salary.

And thus I think it's time for Hall to go. Maybe bring him back for less via a restructured deal, but from what I can tell that's not Hall's style. I see no reason to bring him back for $6M when we can cut him for nothing.

Josh Wilson's 1st year cap hit was $3.4M, so there's a ballpark of what bringing a new guy might cost us against the cap.[/quote]why couldn't/didn't they do that with trent williams?

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[quote=los panda;884040]why couldn't/didn't they do that with trent williams?[/quote]

They did. TW has very little bonus left in his contract ($1.8M). The bulk of it is salary and roster bonuses. His cap hit for 2012 is $12.6M, but $11M of it is salary.

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I'd take carr or grimes over hall... not sure routt is a good option though.

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[quote=GTripp0012;884001][B]He's got two years left plus a dummy year in 2014.
[/B]
Hall at this point is year-to-year contractually. It's as cheap to cut him now as he's ever going to be because almost all of the remaining money in his contract is in non-guaranteed salary. In other words, if you wanted to sign Stanford Routt or Brandon Carr, you could do so under the cap for less money than it would take to keep Hall on the roster.[/quote]

I thought DHall was a dummy last year.

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[quote=That Guy;884049]I'd take carr or grimes over hall... not sure routt is a good option though.[/quote]

agree, Routt got the big deal and played like sh*t last year. I wouldnt bring him for starters money.

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I agree with Joe Theismann. We don't need Peyton Manning. At most, he'll play for 3 years. We need to draft a quarterback who is a long term solution. Part of the reason why this team has finished 5-11, 9-7, 8-8, 4-12, 6-10, and 5-11 the last six seasons is inconsistent play at the quarterback position. This is more the reason to trade up and draft Robert Griffin III

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what I THINK our roster will look like..

QB: Manning/Grossman/Tannehill
RB: Helu/Royster
FB: Young
WR: Garcon or Wayne/Moss/Hank/Gaffney
TE Davis/CC
LT: Trent Williams
LG: Hurt
C: Cook
RG: Chester
RT: Willie Smith/FA
NT: Jenkins/Coefield
DE: Bowen
DE: Carriker
ILB: Fletch
OLB: RAK
OLB: Kerrigan
CB1: Hall
CB2: Tracy Porter
Nickel: Wilson
S: O.J.A
S: Michael Huff

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[quote=Lotus;884053]I thought DHall was a dummy last year.[/quote]It's all relative.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;884045]They did. TW has very little bonus left in his contract ($1.8M). The bulk of it is salary and roster bonuses. His cap hit for 2012 is $12.6M, but $11M of it is salary.[/quote]beautiful, thanks cc

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[quote=That Guy;884049]I'd take carr or grimes over hall... not sure routt is a good option though.[/quote]

Carr is pretty good, I'd jump all over him if the Chiefs dont sign him or tag him. It's gonna be hard for them to cover both Carr & Bowe. The redskins could use either.

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[quote=Evilgrin;884286]Carr is pretty good, I'd jump all over him if the Chiefs dont sign him or tag him. It's gonna be hard for them to cover both Carr & Bowe. The redskins could use either.[/quote]

I could be wrong but I beleive KC have alot of money to spend in FA.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;884322]I could be wrong but I beleive KC have alot of money to spend in FA.[/quote]

True they do have a fair amount of cap space however, the Chiefs are not a large market team and may not want to spend the amount needed to keep both players.

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The Redskins are very much set on defense. We finished 13th in 2011 after finishing 31st in 2010. With the addition of Jarvis Jenkins, and maybe a reshaped secondary, maybe the Redskins can finish in the top 5 in defense in 2012.

While the defense will do its part in 2012, the key to winning games comes down to the offense. They have to put up more points. 18.4 points a game is very poor. If the Redskins were scoring 23 or even 21 points a game, I would applaud their effort. But 18.4 points a game is extremely mediocre. We have to score more points even in a losing effort in 2012.

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[quote=That Guy;864224]Well, it's a bit early, but I think we've seen enough... so, who are the skins we expect back on the roster next year? Here's what I've got:

QB: ??
RB: Helu, hightower, torrain
FB: Young
WR: Moss, Gaffney, Hankerson, Armstrong
TE: Cooley a/o Davis, Paulsen
LT: Williams
LG: Lichtensteiger
C: Montgomery
RG/RT/6th OL: ??

DL: Bowen, Cofield, Carrikker , Jenkins, Neild
LB: Fletcher, Orakpo, Kerrigan, Perry
DB: ???
ST: Rocca

Need: QB/OL/DB/MLB

now, there's not a lot of depth listed here, and that's mainly because it's replaceable. guys like barnes etc are fine, but if they got switched out, I don't think it really changes much for us.

and what the F happened to zo? he looked good last year, but in 2011 he has 10 tackles.[/quote]


I agree, but we need to draft a couple of lineman and get a bigtime FA WR like Reggie Wayne

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[quote=bertoskins2;884377]I agree, but we need to draft a couple of lineman and get a bigtime FA WR like Reggie Wayne[/quote]

Honestly, we'd be better to grab a couple FA OL guys like Grubbs, Harris, or whoever because whether we plug in a vet QB or RGiii - that line has to be effective right away. Can't do that with an NFL learning curve.

And BTW - there are 600 FA's this year, most are unrestricted. I'm confident we will solidify the OL before the draft.

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Wanted to see what this roster would look like on paper. Pretty good to me pre-cut to 53.

QB: Peyton Manning, Kellen Moore
HB: Helu, Hightower, Royster, James
FB: Young
WR: Hankerson, Criner, Jackson, AA, Paul, Moss, Robinson, Gaffney, Austin
TE: Davis, Paulsen, Cooley
LT: T Williams, Smith
LG: C Nicks, Hurt
C: Lichtensteiger, Ben Jones
RG: Chester
RT: Gaither, Polumbus

LDE: Bowen, Balmer
RDE: Cofield, Jenkins
NT: Soliai, Neild
OLB: Alexander, Kerrigan, Orakpo, Fox, Jackson, White
MLB: Fletcher, Riley,
CB: Carr, Wilson, Hall, Westbrook, Wilson, Barnes
SS: Landry, Gomes
FS : Otogwe, Griffin

K: Gano
P: Rocca
KR/PR: L. James

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[quote=Higskin;884392]Honestly, we'd be better to grab a couple FA OL guys like Grubbs, Harris, or whoever because whether we plug in a vet QB or RGiii - that line has to be effective right away. Can't do that with an NFL learning curve.

And BTW - there are 600 FA's this year, most are unrestricted. I'm confident we will solidify the OL before the draft.[/quote]

The Ravens have a lot of mouths to feed this offseason and Grubbs may get the short end. That would be a great pick up.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;884447]The Ravens have a lot of mouths to feed this offseason and Grubbs may get the short end. That would be a great pick up.[/quote]

Do the Ravens pre-chew the food before they feed those mouths? :)

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[quote=Lotus;884462]Do the Ravens pre-chew the food before they feed those mouths? :)[/quote]

[url=http://blogs.courant.com/bill_weir/2009/02/carcasseating-habits-of-ravens.html]Carcass-Eating Habits of Ravens Explained by Financial Theory - William Weir | It's Alive![/url]

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;884468][url=http://blogs.courant.com/bill_weir/2009/02/carcasseating-habits-of-ravens.html]Carcass-Eating Habits of Ravens Explained by Financial Theory - William Weir | It's Alive![/url][/quote]

In this light, Steve Bisciotti is a carcass.

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We need to improve our pass defence. Raheem Morris is a start. Getting rid of D Hall would also help. I just don't trust the guy to deliver when it matters.

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I thought we might need a pretty good laugh....
[url=http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/eagles-talk/post/Babin-agrees-Eagles-werent-far-from-Supe?blockID=649658&feedID=3041]Babin agrees Eagles weren't far from Super Bowl[/url]

To me they may have had the better record but the looked like crap getting there. I thought the Skins had better team work. I mean who takes their OL coach and makes him the DC? Their whole DL looked like crap all year. "9-Wide" lol. and with out fixing that situation I don't see them doing any better. If I was Reid I'd move him back to OL where he had that team playing well and I'd go out and get a DC.