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[quote=Giantone;1317042]chico stop with all your BS you're as bad as the rest of the GOP assholes. There was no defund the Police situation in this shooting or in Buffalo, comparing these incidents to a rise in crime in the cities is fucking stupid. To blame the Dems because the GOP won't pass gun laws shows how ignorant and stupid you are.[/quote]

Let me fact check you again, defund the police movement…an established failure…removed police and security from schools across the country:

[url]https://www.edweek.org/leadership/defunded-removed-and-put-in-check-school-police-a-year-after-george-floyd/2021/06[/url]

[url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-24/minneapolis-denver-and-oakland-defund-school-police[/url]

To blame democrats polices in an increase in violence across the country especially in cities with the highest increases is absolutely backed by the data. They are responsible as they run these shithole cities sometimes 30-60 years straight. They are refusing to prosecute gun crime, which is a fact backed by the data…if you refuse to prosecute gun charges, where is the logic in in additional measures…when the measures don’t stop it in the shitholes they run?

Let me remind you also again, democrats are in charge of both houses of congress and the presidency.

To compare the mass shooting in Buffalo and Texas to violence across the country is also viable. As you and other leftist do, you only pay attention to mass shootings when it’s politically comfortable: here again is the mass shooting archive, get familiar with the offenders and victims as well as the places where these occur:

[url]https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting[/url]

Or simply ignore it as it doesn’t fit your narrative.

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[quote=Chico23231;1317065]Let me fact check you again, defund the police movement….[/quote]

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[quote=Chico23231;1317065]Let me fact check you again, defund the police movement…an established failure…removed police and security from schools across the country:

[url]https://www.edweek.org/leadership/defunded-removed-and-put-in-check-school-police-a-year-after-george-floyd/2021/06[/url]

[url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-24/minneapolis-denver-and-oakland-defund-school-police[/url]

To blame democrats polices in an increase in violence across the country especially in cities with the highest increases is absolutely backed by the data. They are responsible as they run these shithole cities sometimes 30-60 years straight. They are refusing to prosecute gun crime, which is a fact backed by the data…if you refuse to prosecute gun charges, where is the logic in in additional measures…when the measures don’t stop it in the shitholes they run?

Let me remind you also again, democrats are in charge of both houses of congress and the presidency.

To compare the mass shooting in Buffalo and Texas to violence across the country is also viable. As you and other leftist do, you only pay attention to mass shootings when it’s politically comfortable: here again is the mass shooting archive, get familiar with the offenders and victims as well as the places where these occur:

[url]https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting[/url]

Or simply ignore it as it doesn’t fit your narrative.[/quote]

STFU,


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Reading this back and forth is like listening to an argument between a Kindergartner and his teacher. One side makes perfect sense backed by facts and analysis, while the other side is sticking his tongue out going nanny nanny boo boo.

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[URL="https://www.complex.com/life/texas-artist-custom-caskets-uvalde-school-shooting-victims"]Texas Artist Made 19 Custom Caskets for Uvalde Shooting Victims[/URL]

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How about we start with something along these lines?

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUHf9E1XEAIo4lF?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

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^^^^^

I am absolutely fine with reasonable requirements to obtain a gun. There would need to be an appeals process in place though, for anyone denied the right to own a gun based on a background check.

My issue always comes down to the guns themselves. I don't trust the government to stop at AR-15 type weapons (Biden already slipped up this week talking about bullets that are used in certain handguns) even if I was Ok with those being banned (I'm not), or want the government telling me what I need or don't need. America isn't founded on the government allowing us only to have what they deem we need. We have the freedom to get what we want.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1317086]^^^^^

I am absolutely fine with reasonable requirements to obtain a gun. There would need to be an appeals process in place though, for anyone denied the right to own a gun based on a background check.

My issue always comes down to the guns themselves. I don't trust the government to stop at AR-15 type weapons (Biden already slipped up this week talking about bullets that are used in certain handguns) even if I was Ok with those being banned (I'm not), [B]or want the government telling me what I need or don't need. America isn't founded on the government allowing us only to have what they deem we need. We have the freedom to get what we want.[/B][/quote]

Except when it comes to abortions right? What about drugs?

Is there any reason why an average person needs an AR-15?

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[quote=MTK;1317087]Except when it comes to abortions right? What about drugs?

Is there any reason why an average person needs an AR-15?[/quote]

I believe that life begins at conception. We do not have a right to infringe on another person's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. My rights end where yours begin. So being against abortion and pro-second amendment are not conflicting beliefs imo.

I am for legalizing drugs.

If people enjoy shooting, they need a gun they like to shoot. And I don't care if they need one or not. Being an American and wanting one is good enough reason for me. If we outlawed all things we don't "need" that could be harmful, then throw out all your bacon, your burgers, your pasta, your beer, your spirits, I meant this list can go on and on.

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[URL="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-action-should-be-taken-on-guns-we-asked-every-senator"]We asked every senator what action should be taken on guns. Here’s what they said[/URL]

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I hate how these conversations always break down into bickering... at the end of the day I think we can all agree nobody wants to see mass shootings, nobody wants to see innocent people gunned down, especially children in schools. Can we just do something about it already? The majority of Americans are in favor of common sense gun reform, so why is nothing being done? It's just so frustrating.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1317088]I believe that life begins at conception. We do not have a right to infringe on another person's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. My rights end where yours begin. So being against abortion and pro-second amendment are not conflicting beliefs imo.

I am for legalizing drugs.

If people enjoy shooting, they need a gun they like to shoot. And I don't care if they need one or not. Being an American and wanting one is good enough reason for me. [B]If we outlawed all things we don't "need" that could be harmful, then throw out all your bacon, your burgers, your pasta, your beer, your spirits, I meant this list can go on and on[/B].[/quote]

I think you are confusing harmful and deadly.

Good luck mowing down a elementary school with a cheeseburger.

Plus your harmful list are things i choose or the user chooses to harm themselves with. Unless the user is using the AR 15 to kill themselves their "harmful/deadly" "need" only harms others that didn't choose to be harmed.

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[quote=MTK;1317090]I hate how these conversations always break down into bickering... at the end of the day I think we can all agree nobody wants to see mass shootings, nobody wants to see innocent people gunned down, especially children in schools. Can we just do something about it already? The majority of Americans are in favor of common sense gun reform, so why is nothing being done? It's just so frustrating.[/quote]

Mostly because one side tries to justify by comparing to something else that has nothing to do with the issue.

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[quote=MTK;1317090]I hate how these conversations always break down into bickering... at the end of the day I think we can all agree nobody wants to see mass shootings, nobody wants to see innocent people gunned down, especially children in schools. Can we just do something about it already? The majority of Americans are in favor of common sense gun reform, so why is nothing being done? It's just so frustrating.[/quote]

This goes beyond gun control or party imo. Most politicians are in D.C. to get elected, stay elected, and get rich off of us. That means scoring points with their media supporters and staunchest voters, who aren't satisfied with anything less than 100% of what they want. I believe that most of us are willing to compromise at least somewhat. But I don't think most of us are actually represented well by our elected officials and helping out all Americans by coming together somewhere in the middle and compromising is low down on the totem pole.

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[quote=MTK;1317084]How about we start with something along these lines?

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUHf9E1XEAIo4lF?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG][/quote]

I'd be fine with that and I would add must be 21 to purchase.


[url]https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/report-7-in-10-school-shootings-carried-out-by-people-under-18/[/url]

CHICAGO (NewsNation) — The suspect in Tuesday’s massacre at a Uvalde, Texas, elementary school was a teenager, as most school shooters have been over the past decade.

Since 1999, seven in 10 school shootings have been carried out by people under the age of 18, when counting cases where the shooter’s age was recorded, The Washington Post reported. The median age of school shooters is 16.