Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1350018]Putting in Brissett now doesn't mean you're giving up on Howell forever. But like others have pointed out, this OL might be the worst in pro football, and Howell is getting brutalized every game. 40 sacks in seven games. He's on pace to shatter the NFL record of 76 sacks, suffered by David Carr in 2002. At some point, probably right now, they are running the risk of ruining his career by continuing to keep him in there.

I say shut down Howell for the rest of the season and see if anything is different for Brissett. I doubt it will be, but you are saving your potential franchise QB from injury and killing his confidence..[/quote]

I say reshuffle the line, it’s only been 7 games to give up on the season.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1350019]I say reshuffle the line, it’s only been 7 games to give up on the season.[/quote]

For the fans it's been 23 years and 7 games. Sometimes it's hard to take anymore of this crap for another minute.

But, yes, reshuffle the OL and somebody tell JDR that's it's OK to blitz and to disguise his coverages.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1350020]For the fans it's been 23 years and 7 games. Sometimes it's hard to take anymore of this crap for another minute.

But, yes, reshuffle the OL and somebody tell JDR that's it's OK to blitz and to disguise his coverages.[/quote]

I’ve been a loyal fan since 1971 and it will not change. I’ve seen enough shit through the years, Howell needs help in the OL and play calling, not benching.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1350022]I’ve been a loyal fan since 1971 and it will not change. I’ve seen enough shit through the years, Howell needs help in the OL and play calling, not benching.[/quote]

👍👍👍

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

An interesting article on Howell. Sacks have been a problem for him since he was in college.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/10/24/sam-howell-sacks-stats/[/url]

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1349956]If he starts out slow this week I'd put in Jacoby. Had the Giants caught that walk in INT Ron should have sat him. That was an inexcusable pass.[/quote]

While I'm not giving up on Sam, it may be time to pull him and see what JB can do. Save Sam from the humiliation of shattering the sack record and protect him from getting hurt. EB is going to ruin this kid.

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EB has been coaching up Howell to just get rid of the damn football.....I think his best bet is to start over throwing the ball towards a covered receiver for incompletions instead of taking these needless sacks.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Against the Giants Sam didn’t even have time to take a three step drop and they were all over him.

Sit him down and wait until we have a real coaching staff and at least one olineman whose spirit animal isn’t a turnstile.

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[quote=punch it in;1350136]Against the Giants Sam didn’t even have time to take a three step drop and they were all over him.

Sit him down and wait until we have a real coaching staff and at least one olineman whose spirit animal isn’t a turnstile.[/quote]

On the first two sacks he sure did. Sack 1 he took about 5 seconds before getting hit. Both Samuel and Dotson were open. The second was much less time, but looked as thought it was a designed screen to Gibson. only took 2.5 seconds, but for whatever reason Howell didn't throw the ball. Gibson was wide open and would have had at least 10 yards to run before anyone was near him. Had he hit on both of those 2, it would have put the Giants back on their heals a bit which would by default give a little more time. It most Likely would have had NYG running less blitzes too as the first two would have been beaten!

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=jamf;1350044][img]https://i.ibb.co/McSB0xZ/IMG-7636.jpg[/img][/quote]

Sam would be lucky to be the next Hannah Montana. The Cyruses are a national treasure. The Gen Y version of the Partridge Family

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[QUOTE=SkinsGuru;1350138]On the first two sacks he sure did. Sack 1 he took about 5 seconds before getting hit. Both Samuel and Dotson were open. The second was much less time, but looked as thought it was a designed screen to Gibson. only took 2.5 seconds, but for whatever reason Howell didn't throw the ball. Gibson was wide open and would have had at least 10 yards to run before anyone was near him. Had he hit on both of those 2, it would have put the Giants back on their heals a bit which would by default give a little more time. It most Likely would have had NYG running less blitzes too as the first two would have been beaten![/QUOTE]


Idk guru, to say that a couple throws early in the game would have changed the way their D completely embarrassed our line is extremely debatable. I do not remember those two sacks, so ill take your word for it. What I do remember is them being on Sam like flies on shit for most of the game.

Sam isn’t perfect but Our o-line is a shambles and needs to be fixed regardless .

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[quote=skinsfan69;1349956]If he starts out slow this week I'd put in Jacoby. Had the Giants caught that walk in INT Ron should have sat him. That was an inexcusable pass.[/quote]

Yeah that was a HS level mistake from a pro qb. He literally just threw it up in the air

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[quote=jamf;1350044][img]https://i.ibb.co/McSB0xZ/IMG-7636.jpg[/img][/quote]

This is so good

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[quote=MTK;1350035]While I'm not giving up on Sam, it may be time to pull him and see what JB can do. Save Sam from the humiliation of shattering the sack record and protect him from getting hurt. EB is going to ruin this kid.[/quote]

The fact they have Sam throwing 40+ times tells you that EB doesn't know what he's doing. Establish the run game. Hey, if your OL sucks than that's on you guys for selecting them this off-season.

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Howell is the first Washington QB to have 400 yards and 4 Tds since 2015 (Kirk)


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Overall Sam played well but throwing 50+ times always means a loss. You can't win games with the run/ pass balance that we have.

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Sam sucks trade him, he’s the shits!!

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Howell is not the problem with this team. I expect him to be the starter next year with a new coaching staff. Throwing for nearly 400 v. Philly is no joke.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1350472]Howell is not the problem with this team. I expect him to be the starter next year with a new coaching staff. Throwing for nearly 400 v. Philly is no joke.[/quote]

Some people still think he sucks. He’s proven that with the line protecting him and if EB ever decides to run the fucking ball more, that he will thrive. In only 9 games he’s exceeding expectations.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

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Says it all. The INT was a turning point, but maybe if the D had done its job, it wouldn't have been so critical. Just shy of 400 yds and 4 TDs is the kind of production you want to see (though preferably not off 52 att's). Can't help thinking it's 2 steps forward, 1 back with SH, but after 9 regular season games i can live with that as long as he maintains progress. Imagine what he'd be able to achieve with a good coaching staff and a functioning D.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Great game from SH, still need to see a full season from him to know if he is someone we can tie our wagon too or do we need to still have an eye on the QB spot

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Sam was really impressive yesterday, really impressive. EB called a good game too. I'd love to see a little more run/pass balance but EB just doesn't seem to care much about running.

That loss was clearly on the defense.

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[quote=MTK;1350500]Sam was really impressive yesterday, really impressive. EB called a good game too. I'd love to see a little more run/pass balance but EB just doesn't seem to care much about running.

That loss was clearly on the defense.[/quote]

I wish I could remember the episode number but on the Al Galdi podcast there is a interview with EB, and EB says every time i pass it i hear Andy in my head saying good job Eric don't be afraid to sling it around

I want scream into my headphones we don't have PATRICK!!!!!

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

All this nonsense in the offseason about EB being the savior, he's out next HC, blah blah. Fuck that guy. No way I want him leading this offense another year.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=MTK;1350506]All this nonsense in the offseason about EB being the savior, he's out next HC, blah blah. Fuck that guy. No way I want him leading this offense another year.[/quote]

Yeah I've seen enough of him as well. Dude is clearly NO ANDY REID

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

I saw the 4th down play u guys were talking about.. That was FUCKING AWFUL PLaycalling! 4th & 1 and u go spread????? Its like hes saying fuck u Ron and JDR

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1350525]I saw the 4th down play u guys were talking about.. That was FUCKING AWFUL PLaycalling! 4th & 1 and u go spread????? Its like hes saying fuck u Ron and JDR[/quote]

Like I’ve been saying…EB no more empty sets.

You should never limit the run option on 3rd/4th and short. Give the QB two plays and put him under center.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

When it comes to Sam Howell

#nottheproblem

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1350525]I saw the 4th down play u guys were talking about.. That was FUCKING AWFUL PLaycalling! 4th & 1 and u go spread????? Its like hes saying fuck u Ron and JDR[/quote]

You call anything but that. That was just awful.

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Alex Armah was activated to play FB and I think I saw in on one play. 4th and 1 you put in the FB. EB is a fucking moron.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1350538]Alex Armah was activated to play FB and I think I saw in on one play. 4th and 1 you put in the FB. EB is a fucking moron.[/quote]

he actually played 6 snaps

more than I thought

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1350525]I saw the 4th down play u guys were talking about.. That was FUCKING AWFUL PLaycalling! 4th & 1 and u go spread????? Its like hes saying fuck u Ron and JDR[/quote]

It's all on Ron. He should have got in his ear and told him to run the ball or play action.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=Chico23231;1350531]When it comes to Sam Howell

#nottheproblem[/quote]

he didn't have a great 4QT , arguably the most important quarter
[I]
While the Commanders put up a brave fight and led 24-17 in the fourth quarter, the Eagles were simply too much. Jalen Hurts threw three second-half touchdown passes, and while Washington kept Sam Howell clean for most of the day, the second-year quarterback had a dismal fourth quarter. He missed an open Terry McLaurin on back-to-back throws to end one drive, tossed an interception to hand the Eagles a short field on another and was strip-sacked by Haason Reddick on fourth down to put the game out of reach.[/I]

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[quote=mredskins;1350551]he didn't have a great 4QT , arguably the most important quarter
[I]
While the Commanders put up a brave fight and led 24-17 in the fourth quarter, the Eagles were simply too much. Jalen Hurts threw three second-half touchdown passes, and while Washington kept Sam Howell clean for most of the day, the second-year quarterback had a dismal fourth quarter. He missed an open Terry McLaurin on back-to-back throws to end one drive, tossed an interception to hand the Eagles a short field on another and was strip-sacked by Haason Reddick on fourth down to put the game out of reach.[/I][/quote]

I’m sorry, terrry needs to make one of those catches yesterday just like Dotson needed to make that catch last week. The sack by Reddick was 1000% on Wylie as well. He wasn’t perfect, but Howell had a great game. Overal, the protection was good too, there is a correlation there

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=MTK;1350500]Sam was really impressive yesterday, really impressive. EB called a good game too. I'd love to see a little more run/pass balance but EB just doesn't seem to care much about running.

That loss was clearly on the defense.[/quote]

The loss was not clearly on the defense - it was on the coaches and 100% on the coaches. The coaching staff gifted the Eagles two TDs. The Redskins almost certainly would have gone into halftime ahead 17-3 if the coaches didn't call or allow (Ron) the worst play call in the NFL this season. And if Ron would have challenged (any other coach would have in that situation) that 4th down pass by the Eagles that is another TD taken away from the bad guys.

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[quote=nonniey;1350561]The loss was not clearly on the defense - it was on the coaches and 100% on the coaches. The coaching staff gifted the Eagles two TDs. The Redskins almost certainly would have gone into halftime ahead 17-3 if the coaches didn't call or allow (Ron) the worst play call in the NFL this season. And if Ron would have challenged (any other coach would have in that situation) that 4th down pass by the Eagles that is another TD taken away from the bad guys.[/quote]

Bottom line is 38 points on the board, can't win a lot of games like that.

The defense has been a massive flop all year.

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[quote=MTK;1350562]Bottom line is 38 points on the board, can't win a lot of games like that.

The defense has been a massive flop all year.[/quote]

Do we have good players and a terrible DC?

Or bad and overrated players and a terrible DC?

Defense was supposed to be the strength of the team, it clearly is not. We don't really have a strength.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

[quote=Chico23231;1350556]I’m sorry, terrry needs to make one of those catches yesterday just like Dotson needed to make that catch last week. The sack by Reddick was 1000% on Wylie as well. He wasn’t perfect, but Howell had a great game. Overal, the protection was good too, there is a correlation there[/quote]

i agree i just pulled that from a espn article

SH had a better day then Terry

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1350563]Do we have good players and a terrible DC?

Or bad and overrated players and a terrible DC?

Defense was supposed to be the strength of the team, it clearly is not. We don't really have a strength.[/quote]

Probably a mix of overrated players and an overrated DC

Either way, it's a seriously underperforming unit for whatever reason