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I still think the fake news/bias mantra is way overblown especially since Trump started calling anything and everything fake news. People now use it as a crutch to discount news they don’t agree with. Of course you don’t want to rely on one source for all of your news, that’s just common sense. And there will always be some people not capable of critical thinking in order to sort through all the noise.

People act like back in the good old days news wasn’t biased and it was always just the facts. That’s BS. We just have a larger volume of information coming at us today and it’s 24/7 crap to sift through.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196517][IMG]http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Media-Bias-Chart_Version-3.1_Watermark-min.jpg[/IMG]

This is a chart from [URL="http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com"]www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com[/URL] that looks like the author has put good research into it.[/quote]

Interesting to compare this against Chico's post above where he thinks CBS
and NBC are clearly biased and CNN is doing the devil's work.

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[quote=MTK;1196520]Interesting to compare this against Chico's post above where he thinks CBS
and NBC are clearly biased and CNN is doing the devil's work.[/quote]

I like my choice's as well.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1196520]Interesting to compare this against Chico's post above where he thinks CBS
and NBC are clearly biased and CNN is doing the devil's work.[/QUOTE]From the blog writer's who i am page:

[QUOTE]As I have said in other parts of this blog, I consider myself moderately liberal, but with a good understanding and appreciation of conservative positions. Some people think that means that the sources I placed on the chart should all be shifted over to the left one column. If so, that’s fine—you can mentally shift them all over to the left and continue to use the chart that way.[/QUOTE]

I doubt this is an exact graph and given Chicos fiery nature his characterizations are understandable

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Personally I've always gone to NPR, WSJ, and BBC to find some balance. I've generally found it difficult to stay interested in the news since Trump was elected.

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If u think that’s a good chart for CNN...wow

I think the high level of reporting facts based on unnamed sources is a shift in journalism standards over the last ten years is a move in the wrong direction

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196517][IMG]http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Media-Bias-Chart_Version-3.1_Watermark-min.jpg[/IMG]

This is a chart from [url=http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com]Media Bias Chart - All Generalizations are False[/url] that looks like the author has put good research into it.[/quote]

I'm really glad you found this, I saw this a couple weeks ago but couldn't dig it up later. For the most part it reaffirms my bias' on where I think most agencies stand too.

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[quote=Chico23231;1196525]If u think that’s a good chart for CNN...wow

I think the high level of reporting facts based on unnamed sources is a shift in journalism standards over the last ten years is a move in the wrong direction[/quote]

It's open for debate Chico, as are all opinion based pieces.

As it is, I rarely read and never watch CNN so I have to go by your opinion that CNN is published by the devil and other's opinions on it.

As for unnamed sources, I understand your viewpoint but I also understand that if a source would like to keep their job (aka the reason why they can be a source in the first place) at a high level of gov't it's probably for the best imo. I know there are exceptions but I also believe most sources are vetted and/or confirmed before they start publishing info, and if they aren't they could at least include a disclaimer to state otherwise. And I also acknowledge it's an imperfect system where occasionally unconfirmed rumors get published and usually end up being retracted later with 1/10 the views the original publication got.

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[quote=Chico23231;1196525]If u think that’s a good chart for CNN...wow

I think the high level of reporting facts based on unnamed sources is a shift in journalism standards over the last ten years is a move in the wrong direction[/quote]

Yet it's a better position then your FOX news or your "INFOWARS"

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Trump looks like a real ass doing this .............


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-apos-john-roberts-215118157.html[/url]

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Trump seems to be an ass no matter where he is in the world............


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-uk-visit-thousands-part-102718758.html[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1196528]Yet it's a better position then your FOX news or your "INFOWARS"[/quote]

Yeah these are mine. G2, you must not read my post.

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[quote=Chico23231;1196533]Yeah these are mine. G2, you must not read my post.[/quote]

That just it I do, and you deny ,then you quote or agree with them.

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[quote=Giantone;1196537]That just it I do, and you deny ,then you quote or agree with them.[/quote]

Naw. I watch or quote neither. I may linked a article from fox.com here and there but not a lot.

I read cnn.com, New York Times, Chicago tribune, and mostly richmond Times dispatch. I generally don’t watch national tv news...to biased and opinion based and not fact based. I’ll watch the local news cause we got good programming here.

I’ve tried hard to read Washington post...but unfortunately they are complete garbage and the should be printed on snow flakes. There take on identity politics generally make me laugh...their quality of journalism has taken a nosedive the last several years. They got a lotta problems internally and it shows.

If I want to get the facts on the economy, Wall Street journal is where bosses go to get it. If I want fake news on the economy I’ll go to cnn money section and laugh repeatedly.

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[quote=Chico23231;1196539]Naw. I watch or quote neither. I may linked a article from fox.com here and there but not a lot.

I read cnn.com, New York Times, Chicago tribune, and mostly richmond Times dispatch. I generally don’t watch national tv news...to biased and opinion based and not fact based. I’ll watch the local news cause we got good programming here.

I’ve tried hard to read Washington post...but unfortunately they are complete garbage and the should be printed on snow flakes. There take on identity politics generally make me laugh...their quality of journalism has taken a nosedive the last several years. They got a lotta problems internally and it shows.

If I want to get the facts on the economy, Wall Street journal is where bosses go to get it. If I want fake news on the economy I’ll go to cnn money section and laugh repeatedly.[/quote]

Well , according to that chart ,I'm not the only one that thinks you're wrong.

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Personal bias trumps all, no pun intended

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[quote=MTK;1196543]Personal bias trumps all, no pun intended[/quote]

I agree ,evidently Cred does not as per post #519

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196542]Well , according to that chart ,I'm not the only one that thinks you're wrong.[/QUOTE]As i noted the author of theblog acknowledged a liberal skew though she attempted to be neutral. I think the biggest change a similar chart from a conservatively skewed person would be cnn/fox. Meaning fox likely would move up and right one block and cnn would move down and left one block.

The blog author acknowledged that a better chart could be made by multiple overlays.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1196519]I still think the fake news/bias mantra is way overblown especially since Trump started calling anything and everything fake news. People now use it as a crutch to discount news they don’t agree with. Of course you don’t want to rely on one source for all of your news, that’s just common sense. And there will always be some people not capable of critical thinking in order to sort through all the noise.

People act like back in the good old days news wasn’t biased and it was always just the facts. That’s BS. We just have a larger volume of information coming at us today and it’s 24/7 crap to sift through.[/QUOTE]I think its wrong to conflate fake news with media bias. There are examples of both occurring more frequently.

Media bias is more or less a generalized acknowledgement of what that chart attempts to convey. That every outlet has some level of leaning and some level of fact vs opinion.

Fake news is much more insidious in that it attempts to distort singular facts into a false narrative. It puts a facade of journalistic integrity while pushing a dogmatic underlying message

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[quote=Giantone;1196542]Well , according to that chart ,I'm not the only one that thinks you're wrong.[/quote]

Wrong about what exactly?

Media Bias
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1196546]I think its wrong to conflate fake news with media bias. There are examples of both occurring more frequently.

Media bias is more or less a generalized acknowledgement of what that chart attempts to convey. That every outlet has some level of leaning and some level of fact vs opinion.

Fake news is much more insidious in that it attempts to distort singular facts into a false narrative. It puts a facade of journalistic integrity while pushing a dogmatic underlying message[/QUOTE]


I agree, but the problem is we have a President who liberally uses the term fake news for anything he disagrees with, or for any news outlet that doesn’t bow to him. He routinely dismisses CNN as fake news. I think that’s a problem.

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I think CNN specifically has taken a deep dive in credibility in their reporting during Trump's presidency, basically fulfilling the role that Trump created for them[QUOTE=MTK;1196548]I agree, but the problem is we have a President who liberally uses the term fake news for anything he disagrees with, or for any news outlet that doesn’t bow to him. He routinely dismisses CNN as fake news. I think that’s a problem.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=Chico23231;1196547]Wrong about what exactly?[/quote]

You're campaign on the media as "fake news" .Go back and look at the post that was quoted.

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This is about a year old.............

[url]https://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-are-the-most-and-the-least-trusted-news-sources-in-the-us-2017-08-03[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1196548]I agree, but the problem is we have a President who liberally uses the term fake news for anything he disagrees with, or for any news outlet that doesn’t bow to him. He routinely dismisses CNN as fake news. I think that’s a problem.[/quote]

2 Question, what’s your expectations for CNN? And if Hillary would have won the election, the topic of Russia meddling in elections....would it even be covered?

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[quote=Giantone;1196552]You're campaign on the media as "fake news" .Go back and look at the post that was quoted.[/quote]

Media bias, distrust in the media, media organization that have political agendas, fake news, media that disregard and disrespect journalism ethics and a country full of people that views the media negatively


All very real, all very true.

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[quote=Chico23231;1196555]Media bias, distrust in the media, media organization that have political agendas, fake news, media that disregard and disrespect journalism ethics and a country full of people that views the media negatively


All very real, all very true.[/quote]

[B]BS, [/B]

Since Ben Franklin started the first "New Paper" this has been going on!

'Franklin saw the printing press as a device to instruct colonial Americans in moral virtue. ... He tried to influence American moral life through construction of a printing network based on a chain of partnerships from the Carolinas to New England. Franklin thereby invented the first newspaper chain."

Call it what you want propaganda ,misinformation and now the trumplings come up with "fake news".
Again you bring up "ethics"....like it is some sword of virtue that you expect from every journalist and I do all so but I do understand they are humans and humans are not perfect but you don't expect it from your president,what the phuck? People believe what they want to believe but you and your president attacking the American free press is total BS and you know it. It is the press's job, a journalist job to question everything and especially everything a President does and becuase they do does not make them bias or "fake news".


Chico you're part of the trump cult and they don't give a shit about this country right now.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1196554]2 Question, what’s your expectations for CNN? And if Hillary would have won the election, the topic of Russia meddling in elections....would it even be covered?[/QUOTE]


Sorry but CNN is not fake news. Do they lean liberal? Sure. Do they fabricate stories? No.

And they’re nowhere near in matching the toxicity of FOX during Obama’s tenure.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1196558]Sorry but CNN is not fake news. Do they lean liberal? Sure. Do they fabricate stories? No.

And they’re nowhere near in matching the toxicity of FOX during Obama’s tenure.[/QUOTE]I would be interested to see the number of negative articles toward Obama on Fox vs the equivalent number of negative articles toward Trump on CNN.

I would speculate the numbers would be even or CNNs would outnumber Foxs. Especially in the first 2 years.

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Which WH was more combative and outwardly negative towards the media? Trump came out swinging from day 1.

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[quote=MTK;1196560]Which WH was more combative and outwardly negative towards the media? Trump came out swinging from day 1.[/quote]

I agree on that, with one addendum. It didn't start with this administration. There had been a deteriorating condition in this country over the past 12 years as the politicians on both sides became more partisan, and the concept of moderation over the internet became less the norm and hyper partisanship has taken over.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196559]I would be interested to see the number of negative articles toward Obama on Fox vs the equivalent number of negative articles toward Trump on CNN.

I would speculate the numbers would be even or CNNs would outnumber Foxs. Especially in the first 2 years.[/quote]

Again I will ask, becuase it is negative or leans "left" does it make it "FAKE"?

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196572]Again I will ask, becuase it is negative or leans "left" does it make it "FAKE"?[/QUOTE]No. It can and does happen on right-leaning outlets and left-leaning sources.

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[url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-butina-exclusive/exclusive-accused-russian-agent-butina-met-with-us-treasury-fed-officials-idUSKBN1KC0DC[/url]

Reuters broke a story that this Russian spy met with 2 high obama officials in 2015...

Can someone tell me why the NYT, Washington post, la times, nbc news who have run multiple stories attempting to connect her to trump...somehow overlooked the this timeline and this major story?

This is why they are fake news...because whose to say they knew and never reported this? If these are the supposed top news journalists in the world...we would expect Reuters to report this over the others?

And now they are not mentioning this story? Doesn’t it seem strange? They cherry pick the facts to make up the narrative they want folks.

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[quote=Chico23231;1196827][url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-butina-exclusive/exclusive-accused-russian-agent-butina-met-with-us-treasury-fed-officials-idUSKBN1KC0DC[/url]

Reuters broke a story that this Russian spy met with 2 high obama officials in 2015...

Can someone tell me why the NYT, Washington post, la times, nbc news who have run multiple stories attempting to connect her to trump...somehow overlooked the this timeline and this major story?

This is why they are fake news...because whose to say they knew and never reported this? If these are the supposed top news journalists in the world...we would expect Reuters to report this over the others?

And now they are not mentioning this story? Doesn’t it seem strange? They cherry pick the facts to make up the narrative they want folks.[/quote]

Well let's see. The Reuters article was posted yesterday.

A quick Google search brings up:

[URL="https://www.wsj.com/articles/alleged-russian-agent-maria-butina-was-at-2015-meeting-with-top-fed-official-1532300577"]Wall St. Journal has picked it up[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/politics/maria-butina-treasury-officials/index.html"]CNN has picked it up[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-accused-russian-spy-maria-butina-met-with-treasury-fed-reserve-officials-in-2015/"]CBS News has picked it up[/URL]

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/07/22/world/europe/22reuters-usa-russia-butina-exclusive.html"]New York Times ran it as an exclusive two days ago[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/22/accused-russian-agent-butina-met-with-us-treasury-and-fed-officials.html"]CNBC ran it yesterday[/URL]

And MSN (my main source) seems to be broken right now so I'll give them a pass, but I expect to see something on there about it when it comes back up.

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[quote=mooby;1196830]Well let's see. The Reuters article was posted yesterday.

A quick Google search brings up:

[URL="https://www.wsj.com/articles/alleged-russian-agent-maria-butina-was-at-2015-meeting-with-top-fed-official-1532300577"]Wall St. Journal has picked it up[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/politics/maria-butina-treasury-officials/index.html"]CNN has picked it up[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-accused-russian-spy-maria-butina-met-with-treasury-fed-reserve-officials-in-2015/"]CBS News has picked it up[/URL]

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/07/22/world/europe/22reuters-usa-russia-butina-exclusive.html"]New York Times ran it as an exclusive two days ago[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/22/accused-russian-agent-butina-met-with-us-treasury-and-fed-officials.html"]CNBC ran it yesterday[/URL]

And MSN (my main source) seems to be broken right now so I'll give them a pass, but I expect to see something on there about it when it comes back up.[/quote]
don't use a google search, go to each site's main page, then navigate to that story. Tell me how easy it is to find WITHOUT the search, in other words what the normal site goer might see.

CNN had it on their main page
WSJ had it on their politics page
msnbc didn't have it in their scroll of headlines
CBS was scrolling through the politics page

The NYT which ran it as an exclusive did it on it's Europe page

[quote]EUROPE

Exclusive: Alleged Russian Agent Butina Met With U.S. Treasury, Fed Officials[/quote]
Look at the headline, and tell me if you realize that is meetings with Obama administration officials?



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Media bias is in how stories are presented, and the weight they are given. Clearly every ap/reuters stories gets loaded into every news site's listings, but how/where it is run and how much screen time it gets plays a huge part in what I would describe as media bias.

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[quote=mooby;1196830]Well let's see. The Reuters article was posted yesterday.

A quick Google search brings up:

[URL="https://www.wsj.com/articles/alleged-russian-agent-maria-butina-was-at-2015-meeting-with-top-fed-official-1532300577"]Wall St. Journal has picked it up[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/politics/maria-butina-treasury-officials/index.html"]CNN has picked it up[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-accused-russian-spy-maria-butina-met-with-treasury-fed-reserve-officials-in-2015/"]CBS News has picked it up[/URL]

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/07/22/world/europe/22reuters-usa-russia-butina-exclusive.html"]New York Times ran it as an exclusive two days ago[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/22/accused-russian-agent-butina-met-with-us-treasury-and-fed-officials.html"]CNBC ran it yesterday[/URL]

And MSN (my main source) seems to be broken right now so I'll give them a pass, but I expect to see something on there about it when it comes back up.[/quote]

When I searched her name and news...cbs showed it. Cnn had it on there politics side (somehow not a front page story). NYT, didn’t pull the article when I searched.

But, still...weird rueters finds the story and none until they did.

Hey mooby, any guess why CNN not running the shooters name from Toronto on the front page? I see they updated their story at 6 pm and promptly removed (buried it) in their world page. Not a peep of the most circulating story from the last 24 hours.

Muslim I guess? Doesn’t fit the narrative they wanted of crazy white guy mass shooter? Possible terrorist just shouldn’t be news...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196832]don't use a google search, go to each site's main page, then navigate to that story. Tell me how easy it is to find WITHOUT the search, in other words what the normal site goer might see.

CNN had it on their main page
WSJ had it on their politics page
msnbc didn't have it in their scroll of headlines
CBS was scrolling through the politics page

The NYT which ran it as an exclusive did it on it's Europe page


Look at the headline, and tell me if you realize that is meetings with Obama administration officials?

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Media bias is in how stories are presented, and the weight they are given. Clearly every ap/reuters stories gets loaded into every news site's listings, but how/where it is run and how much screen time it gets plays a huge part in what I would describe as media bias.[/quote]

LOL, so use the internet but only the way I tell you to use it. Don't look now but guess who is trying to control the narrative.:doh:

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[quote=Chico23231;1196834]When I searched her name and news...cbs showed it. Cnn had it on there politics side (somehow not a front page story). NYT, didn’t pull the article when I searched.

But, still...weird rueters finds the story and none until they did.

Hey mooby, any guess why CNN not running the shooters name from Toronto on the front page? I see they updated their story at 6 pm and promptly removed (buried it) in their world page. Not a peep of the most circulating story from the last 24 hours.

Muslim I guess? Doesn’t fit the narrative they wanted of crazy white guy mass shooter? Possible terrorist just shouldn’t be news...[/quote]


Yet , you don't know so your "assumption" is to fit your narrative.


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReRwtkQlXZ8[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1196837]Yet , you don't know so your "assumption" is to fit your narrative.


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReRwtkQlXZ8[/url][/quote]

Not an assumption if NYT, Wa post, nbc news, etc chose not to run a story.

What’s the bigger story, a Russian spy at the national prayer breakfast or meeting with top obama adminstration officials?

Clearly biased and news sources which cannot be trusted to tell the American public the entire story.