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Off-topic for a second, but any of you old school people remember when preseason games were held in different places?





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No...actually I don't...That's Cool!

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1034641-mannys-2012-redskins-nfl-mock-draft]Manny's 2012 Washington Redskins NFL Mock Draft | Bleacher Report[/url]

I posted this because I was watching the North Seniors practice & Zietler OG looks good, saw Schwartz OT real quick looks OK.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;878270][url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1034641-mannys-2012-redskins-nfl-mock-draft]Manny's 2012 Washington Redskins NFL Mock Draft | Bleacher Report[/url]

I posted this because I was watching the North Seniors practice & Zietler OG looks good, saw Schwartz OT real quick looks OK.[/quote]

I really think that any mock draft that has us taking RG3 should include their explanation on how we are going to acquire him (trade up) and skip the 2nd round.

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[quote=Ruhskins;878290]I really think that any mock draft that has us taking RG3 should include their explanation on how we are going to acquire him (trade up) and skip the 2nd round.[/quote]

What if Cleveland does in fact draft Trent Richardson?? RGIII could fall to us at six and BANG!

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;878294]What if Cleveland does in fact draft Trent Richardson?? RGIII could fall to us at six and BANG![/QUOTE]

Not happening, Trent isn't AD and he wasn't drafted at in the top 3 either, rbs are a dime a dozen

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[quote=skinsfaninok;878295]Not happening, Trent isn't AD and he wasn't drafted at in the top 3 either, rbs are a dime a dozen[/quote]

Trent isn't a dime a dozen kind of prospect, he could definitely go to 5 and could drop to 17 to Cincy but he is an amazing prospect as AP was and wouldn't cry if he ended up being a Redskin. Just watch some of his highlights and compare them to AP's college highlights.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;878299]Trent isn't a dime a dozen kind of prospect, he could definitely go to 5 and could drop to 17 to Cincy but he is an amazing prospect as AP was and wouldn't cry if he ended up being a Redskin. Just watch some of his highlights and compare them to AP's college highlights.[/quote]

Yeah, but the shelf life on RBs is so short, and teams routinely win Super Bowls without an elite RB. Willie Parker, Joseph Adai, Whoever ran for the Pats those 3 years, the endless rotation of backs for the Giants. Did the Packers even have a Running Back on the roster last year? The Saints when they won it all? It's a passing league now. Don't see any RBs carrying their team to the promised land anytime soon. Not a smart move at 6. Bengals, however, might think they're a playmaker away from being for real.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;878168]The Seattle playoff game in '07?[/quote]

Didn't we lose?

The only playoff game we have won since like 2000 is the 2005 win against the Bucs. ST made a game changing play in that game.

I'll give you GB last year, but if we really looked at it how many games has his play lost us a game? I know that for a fact that he was not in the end of the Houston game last year, when Reed Doughty gave up the game tying TD to Andre J. in the final seconds. He wasn't there because he hurt himself early in the fourth quarter.

He misses more games and also plays out of position enough that not paying him a ton of money is a really good idea.

He also might want out of DC making this conversation mute.

Then you also may have a scenario where there isn't a big market for him in the range of what he wants out of his next contract, outside of DC b/c of the salary cap not moving much the next couple of years. Look at last years deals, some of the pundents site the lockout but others contend that the new CBA cap restraints for the next couple of years may play a factor in teams not signing long contracts.

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/news/gaffney-had-top-10-hands-in-2011?blockID=635982&feedID=6355]Gaffney had top-10 hands in 2011[/url]


Moss dropping it like it's hot.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;878294]What if Cleveland does in fact draft Trent Richardson?? RGIII could fall to us at six and BANG![/quote]

No way RG3 falls to #6...

If we want him, we gotta trade up (hopefully Bruce can cut a good deal).

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Some good quotes from coach at the Senior Bowl.



Grant Paulsen @granthpaulsen
Mike Shanahan on when he took over #Redskins: "We had not used a lot of our draft choices and when you don't do that you paid for it."



Grant Paulsen @granthpaulsen
Shanahan: "Hopefully we'll get some good free agents this year & we'll have a solid draft. Then you'll have a chance to compete." #Redskins


Grant Paulsen @granthpaulsen
Shanahan: "When you don't have depth and you lose a few players it can dictate your season. Next year hopefully we will be a lot deeper."


Grant Paulsen @granthpaulsen
Mike Shanahan's main goal this off-season? "We can't make mistakes.. We're not too far away.. Everybody's looking for that franchise QB."

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;878253]Well then let them start a trend in the NFL.[/quote]he's not going to sign a contract that would cap-friendly to a trade. let him walk unless he wants to play for peanuts and maybe at olb

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This is sad.


[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/kyle-shanahan-rex-grossman-was-redskins-best-playmaker-in-2011/2012/02/01/gIQApealhQ_blog.html]Kyle Shanahan: Rex Grossman was Redskins best playmaker in 2011 - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]


[quote]So I know Rex has got to do a lot better, he cannot turn the ball over like that if he wants a chance to win, but to give Rex some credit,[U] he was also the best playmaker that we had on the field[/U].”[/quote]

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The Case for LaMichael James shifted to WR.

I have said many times on the board that James needs to be on the redskins roster because he is a playmaker. I think we need atleast 3 playmakers on this offense to make a difference in the offense.

Because of his talent level I think he can multiple positions on the field. He reminds me of a player like Bush or Percy Harvin because he can create in space, soft hands and has major speed. Remember Harvin was a runningback in college as well. James is a better running back than Harvin and was utilized more as a back in the Ducks system. He can be brought here to do more than just run the ball.

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[quote=NC_Skins;881038]This is sad.


[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/kyle-shanahan-rex-grossman-was-redskins-best-playmaker-in-2011/2012/02/01/gIQApealhQ_blog.html"]Kyle Shanahan: Rex Grossman was Redskins best playmaker in 2011 - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/URL][/quote]

I read it a little while ago, and I have to say I was surprised to read that part. I always thought Fred Davis would be considered as the best playmaker for offense. But then again, Davis would not have those opportunities to make plays if it was Beck throwing the ball.

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[quote=GridIron26;881168]I read it a little while ago, and I have to say I was surprised to read that part. I always thought Fred Davis would be considered as the best playmaker for offense. But then again, Davis would not have those opportunities to make plays if it was Beck throwing the ball.[/quote]

When I heard the interview I got the impression, and I still do, that he was talking specifically about the QB position. Basically saying that Rex > Beck

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/kyle-shanahan-rex-grossman-was-redskins-best-playmaker-in-2011/2012/02/01/gIQApealhQ_blog.html]Kyle Shanahan: Rex Grossman was Redskins best playmaker in 2011 - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

[quote=GridIron26;881168]I read it a little while ago, and I have to say I was surprised to read that part. I always thought Fred Davis would be considered as the best playmaker for offense.[/quote]Yeah, I was surprised to read that too but the more I thought about it makes some sense that he said it, even though I don't think its remotely true.

I've always felt that Rex was Kyle's guy and their mutually beneficial friendship was/is damaming for the team.
I'm really put off by his statement that Rex was the best playmaker.
I mean that's absurd, even apart from the turnover issue.
Despite airing it out far more then he should be allowed he only threw 16 TD passes and had a low 3rd down conversion rate.
That is in no way shape or form a 'playmaker' Rex cannot avoid the rush and cannot create a play after the defense 'wins' and the design play has failed.
I'm gonna assume that Kyle and not Mike was the primary impetus behind choosing Rex as our QB.
And Kyle chose easily one of the worst starting QBs in the league and Rex's QB play was the key factor in the losses. (13 games 25 turnovers more if you include all fumbles not just fumbles lost)

The greater feeling a got from Kyle's interview was a sense of subtle blameshifting that I feel from Kyle and Mike lately.
Earlier in offseason there seemed to be a Kyle driven PR move to dispel the notion that the offense was difficult to learn, but the irony is that Kyle's own statements on the reason for choosing Rex as his QB was because of the intricacies of the offense.

Then there has been Mike's talk of the lack of talent on the roster, which to me is basically an excuse for his own decision to half-way win now and not committing to a rebuild sooner.

Now there's a lack of 'playmakers' holding the offense back when in actuality the QB held the offense back more then anything else.
And its the QB that Kyle chose.

But Kyle and his perception massaging kinda rubs me the wrong way.(although its very smart)
People seem quick to defend and make excuses for him because they feel he is unfairly being criticized because of the perception of nepotism.
The "oh you don't like Kyle because he's Mike's son' thing.
But in fact I think Kyle is receiving the opposite treatment.
Despite his actual lack of success/production as an OC here he gets the benefit of the doubt.
Some normally critical people are wary of being excused of being unfairly critical of Kyle and are too happy with the regime at large to be critical in any manner for fear this regime will be gone. (and to be clear I am happy with the new structure/regime too)

I hope/think Kyle/Mike solve this QB problem this offseason/year because without much improved QB play Kyle's offense cannot succeed the way he calls it and until then we cannot win.
I believe they must solve the QB problem because its their only chance to stick around to complete the rebuild job.

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It's always interesting to see how people interpret things.

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[quote=SmootSmack;881180]When I heard the interview I got the impression, and I still do, that he was talking specifically about the QB position. Basically saying that Rex > Beck[/quote]

Perhaps you are right.

I bolded the part that made me to think that Kyle meant Rex as the best playmaker for offense, not the QB position specifically.

[quote]We’ve got to get some guys that can make some plays on their own, and turn a little shallow up into a big play and score some points,” Shanahan said. “When we took Rex out those three games, we stopped moving the ball, we stopped making plays. So I know Rex has got to do a lot better, he cannot turn the ball over like that if he wants a chance to win, but to give Rex some credit, he was also [B]the best playmaker that we had on the field[/B].[/quote]Regardless, like Matty said, everyone have their own interpretations.

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[quote=NC_Skins;881038]This is sad.


[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/kyle-shanahan-rex-grossman-was-redskins-best-playmaker-in-2011/2012/02/01/gIQApealhQ_blog.html]Kyle Shanahan: Rex Grossman was Redskins best playmaker in 2011 - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Kyle is just putting lipstick on a pig.
He better wake the efff up or our offense is gonna suffer till he gets fired.

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[quote=GridIron26;881538]Perhaps you are right.

I bolded the part that made me to think that Kyle meant Rex as the best playmaker for offense, not the QB position specifically.

Regardless, like Matty said, everyone have their own interpretations.[/quote]

I tended to focus more on the part where he said when we took Rex out those three games, we stopped making plays

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That makes sense.. Either way, it's moot to nitpick Kyle's comments about Rex now that we are searching for a new QB.

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1st Bradford
2nd Mike Adams OT
3rd BPA DF
4th Chris Rainey
4th Tommy Streeter
5th BPA DF
7th BPA DF


FA

D'Qwell Jackson
Paul Soliai
Calais Campbell
Tyvon Branch
Nicks or Grubbs

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;881943]1st Bradford
2nd Mike Adams OT
3rd BPA DF
4th Chris Rainey
4th Tommy Streeter
5th BPA DF
7th BPA DF


FA

D'Qwell Jackson
Paul Soliai
Calais Campbell
Tyvon Branch
Nicks or Grubbs[/quote]

1st RGIII
2nd Janoris Jenkins
3rd Jurion Criner
4th Chris Rainey
4th Best OL
5th Best ILB
7th Best DL

FA
Eddie Royal
Paul Solai
Tyvon Branch
Ben Grubbs

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881948]1st RGIII
2nd Janoris Jenkins
3rd Jurion Criner
4th Chris Rainey
4th Best OL
5th Best ILB
7th Best DL

FA
Eddie Royal
Paul Solai
Tyvon Branch
Ben Grubbs[/quote]

Agree Eddie Royal forgot that one, IF RGIII falls to us a 6 it's a NO BRAINER but do YOU see him falling to 6, after the combine his value is going to SKYROCKET IMO.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881948]1st RGIII
2nd Janoris Jenkins
3rd Jurion Criner
4th Chris Rainey
4th Best OL
5th Best ILB
7th Best DL

FA
Eddie Royal
Paul Solai
Tyvon Branch
Ben Grubbs[/quote]

I like this plan. It also is realistic.

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Criner is not going to be there in the third

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Does anyone know when the first Draft magazine/book comes out.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;881951]Agree Eddie Royal forgot that one, IF RGIII falls to us a 6 it's a NO BRAINER but do YOU see him falling to 6, after the combine his value is going to SKYROCKET IMO.[/quote]

Yes. Yes I do. My top 10 draft:

IND Luck
STL Kalil
MIN Claiborne
CLE Blackmon
TB Richardson
WSH Griffin III
JAX Reiff
CAR Couples
MIA Brockers
BUF Martin

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[quote=Mechanix544;881955]Criner is not going to be there in the third[/quote]

The same was said about Hankerson. This is a deep WR draft and WR is the 2nd easiest position to fall. (Behind RB)

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[quote=Lotus;881952]I like this plan. It also is realistic.[/quote]

Thanks I pride myself on realism.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;881136]The Case for LaMichael James shifted to WR.

I have said many times on the board that James needs to be on the redskins roster because he is a playmaker. I think we need atleast 3 playmakers on this offense to make a difference in the offense.

Because of his talent level I think he can multiple positions on the field. He reminds me of a player like Bush or Percy Harvin because he can create in space, soft hands and has major speed. Remember Harvin was a runningback in college as well. James is a better running back than Harvin and was utilized more as a back in the Ducks system. He can be brought here to do more than just run the ball.[/quote]


James would be a great fit in Denver or Carolina.

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[quote=Terpfan76;881967]James would be a great fit in Denver or Carolina.[/quote]

Not in Carolina with DeAngelo Williams and Johnathan Stewart. As well as Mike Goodson who is a good RB in his own right.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;881951]Agree Eddie Royal forgot that one, IF RGIII falls to us a 6 it's a NO BRAINER but do YOU see him falling to 6, after the combine his value is going to SKYROCKET IMO.[/quote]

Yep. I'll bet RGIII is there at 6.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881969]Not in Carolina with DeAngelo Williams and Johnathan Stewart. As well as Mike Goodson who is a good RB in his own right.[/quote]

I'm just saying that his explosiveness and speed, plus the offense he comes from would mesh well with Cam Newton. Imagine having to worry about that tandem. Also, neither Stewart nor Williams have been all that healthy for their careers. Williams does however have a pretty ugly contract at least as far as the Panthers should be concerned.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/2/9/2786694/depth-chart-overview-how-free-agency-can-help-the-redskins]Depth Chart Overview: How Free Agency Can Help the Redskins - Hogs Haven[/url]

Saw this thought you might want to read, a few players were left of IMO: Eddie Royal WR, Paul Soliai NT, D'Qwell Jackson ILB to name a few.

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I am just gonna do starters and key backups

QB Robert Griffin III
RB Roy Helu/Evan Royster/Tim Hightower
FB Darrell Young
WR Leonard Hankerson/Jabar Gaffney/Jurion Criner
WR Santana Moss/Niles Paul
WR/RB/KR/PR Chris Rainey
TE Fred Davis/Chris Cooley
LT Trent Williams
LG Korey Lichtensteiger
C David Molk
RG Chris Chester
RT ?
DE Jarvis Jenkins/Adam Carriker
NT Barry Cofield/Chris Neild
DE Stephen Bowen
OLB Ryan Kerrigan
MLB London Fletcher
ILB Perry Riley
OLB Brian Orakpo
CB DeAngelo Hall
CB Josh Wilson
SCB ?
FS OJ Atogwe
SS ?
K Graham Gano
P Sav Rocca

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I'll take a stab at this...just pulling stuff out of my a$$

QB Peyton Manning/R. Tannehill
RB Roy Helu/Evan Royster/Tim Hightower
FB Darrell Young
WR Leonard Hankerson/Eddie Royal/M. Sanu (R)
WR Jabar Gaffney/Niles Paul
WR/RB/KR/PR Rookie
TE Fred Davis/Chris Cooley
LT Trent Williams
LG Korey Lichtensteiger
C Montgomery
RG Chris Chester
RT J. Gaither
DE Jarvis Jenkins/Stephen Bowen
NT Paul Soliai/Chris Neild
DE Barry Cofield
OLB Ryan Kerrigan
MLB London Fletcher
ILB Perry Riley
OLB Brian Orakpo
CB DeAngelo Hall
CB Josh Wilson
SCB Stanford Routt (FA) CB
FS OJ Atogwe
SS D. Gomes
K Graham Gano
P Sav Rocca

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MY turn

QB Bradford, RGIII, Chad Henne, Manning? & 2nd or 3rd draft pick, or Weeden???
RB Roy Helu/Evan Royster/Tim Hightower
FB Darrell Young
WR Leonard Hankerson/Eddie Royal/Tommy Streeter (R)
WR Jabar Gaffney/Niles Paul/Robinson
WR/RB/KR/PR Rainey
TE Fred Davis/Paulsen
LT Trent Williams
LG Ben Grubbs
C Montgomery
RG Chris Chester
RT Harris
DE Jarvis Jenkins/Stephen Bowen
NT Paul Soliai/Chris Neild
DE Barry Cofield/Calais Campbell
OLB Ryan Kerrigan
ILB London Fletcher/D'Qwell Jackson
ILB Perry Riley
OLB Brian Orakpo
CB ?
CB Josh Wilson
FS OJ Atogwe
SS D. Gomes
K Graham Gano
P Sav Rocca